Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)

[GlazyUK]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

What's weird about this is they built a large section of the Falcon for the unused sandstorm sequence, so why didn't they either enhance the section of set built with a matte or just shoot tighter on the Falcon with the are they made, then they could have shown Lando going up the ramp as opposed to walking and almost stopping in front of a blue screen like in the final film !?

.......but dont forget this horrible scene from the OT, even back then the fake backgrounds were bad:

http://geekleagueofamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/screenshot20110903at165.png

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[Edwardowan]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I had the exact same comment months ago about this very thing. all I can think is the matte painting with Han and Lando was a last minute pickup shot ... the quality of matte paintings in ROTJ weren't nearly as good as the ones in ESB. I think the artist that did the Lando/Han hanger scene wasn't the best person for the job but I did see a behind the scenes photo of that matte painting in progress and it was really small.. smaller than most matte paintings so blowing up a smaller painting to screen size is going to show all kinds of problems. always hated that scene.

What's weird about this is they built a large section of the Falcon for the unused sandstorm sequence, so why didn't they either enhance the section of set built with a matte or just shoot tighter on the Falcon with the are they made, then they could have shown Lando going up the ramp as opposedView attachment 330127 to walking and almost stopping in front of a blue screen like in the final film !?

 

[GlazyUK]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

But then with all his fixes in the Special Edition and messing around putting rocks in front of R2-D2 why did Lucas still not fix such a horrible looking shot !? :facepalm

 

[dbalschi]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

In that case you might want to stop going to the movies seeing as more and more films are being made here.

On another note, not sure why so many people are excited over 1 non cgi Alien. Nute Gunray wasn't CGI and we all know how the reception to Phantom Menace was.

 

[Jaitea]

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It is crazy,.....I'm sure the effects team were infuriated......with the effects they can achieve (Avengers, Transformers etc) fixing that shot would be an exciting challenge......but placing rocks in front of Artoo???

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[JD]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Don't guilt trip me with your job.

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Don't attack me or my city - neither of which you know nothing about.

No one's guilt tripping you - move along.

 

[Westies14]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

As with many people, I often use CG and Compositing interchangably...what I mean, and I suspect others mean, is that the elements, whatever they are, are artificially constructed in a computer rather than being captured in camera. Whether they're artificially constructed wholesale or through compositing, the effect is still often phony. But yes, there is good CG and bad CG, good compositing and bad, good practical effects and bad However, real actors, real props, on real sets, will always feel the most satisfying to me. If modern compositing is more believable than old school optical work, great. I agree. Old style compositing looks iffy. Yes, some PT work looked great, some awful. I simply feel there is less risk of the final product looking like a cartoon if as much as possible is done in camera.

Absolutely agreed! Lest anyone be mistaken about my point, there's nothing I like about the prequel aesthetic. I don't think they did a single thing well that wasn't just a camera in a desert. The rest - even the miniatures (and somehow a lake in Italy) - feels completely artificial and distracting. It takes me right out of the story.

 

[joshvanrad]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Don't attack me or my city - neither of which you know nothing about.

No one's guilt tripping you - move along.

Say what you will. From what I've seen of you around here you are big on confrontation. Using your job as some form of leverage is guilt tripping. I have absolutely nothing left to say to you. I'm done dealing with you on the forums. This is my last response to you. Respond, don't respond, pm me, I don't care. I don't have time for you.

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[joshvanrad]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Absolutely agreed! Lest anyone be mistaken about my point, there's nothing I like about the prequel aesthetic. I don't think they did a single thing well that wasn't just a camera in a desert. The rest - even the miniatures (and somehow a lake in Italy) - feels completely artificial and distracting. It takes me right out of the story.

This is kind of what I was trying to get at in an earlier post. Practical or CGI, the PT just felt too "produced". The appearance didn't feed my SW side.

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[cayman shen]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

In that case you might want to stop going to the movies seeing as more and more films are being made here.

On another note, not sure why so many people are excited over 1 non cgi Alien. Nute Gunray wasn't CGI and we all know how the reception to Phantom Menace was.

What was wrong with Nute Gunray? I mean his voice sucked, but he was a real object interacting with real people. A million times more believable that, say, Dexter Jetster or whomever. Sure Nute's mouth looked dodgy, but the CG characters looked top to bottom dodgy. I'll take a poorly articulated mouth on a real physical object over some weird, animated Colorforms looking thing stuck over the empty space the actor was talking at (unconvincingly, usually).

 

[dbalschi]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

What was wrong with Nute Gunray? I mean his voice sucked, but he was a real object interacting with real people. A million times more believable that, say, Dexter Jetster or whomever. Sure Nute's mouth looked dodgy, but the CG characters looked top to bottom dodgy. I'll take a poorly articulated mouth on a real physical object over some weird, animated Colorforms looking thing stuck over the empty space the actor was talking at (unconvincingly, usually).

Oh nothing wrong with Nute Gunray, just using him as an example that a non CGI character doesn't necessarily make a movie any better.

 

[cayman shen]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Gotcha, and agreed!

 

[JD]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Say what you will. From what I've seen of you around here you are big on confrontation. Using your job as some form of leverage is guilt tripping. I have absolutely nothing left to say to you. I'm done dealing with you on the forums. This is my last response to you. Respond, don't respond, pm me, I don't care. I don't have time for you.

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You attacked me... that's confrontation for you. You are also responding to comments made to another person, not to you.

I don't use my job as any leverage; you attacked me personally - I made a point - I half-heartedly defended myself, so sorry you don't get it. It wasn't about my job, it was more about the latter part of that statement - yes, I am a firefighter - but just as importantly I give back to my community. It's not a guilt trip (although, obviously you feel guilt), it's a fact.

So please: don't respond, stop posting about me and worry about yourself - even better, stop attacking people you don't know.

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What was wrong with Nute Gunray? I mean his voice sucked, but he was a real object interacting with real people. A million times more believable that, say, Dexter Jetster or whomever. Sure Nute's mouth looked dodgy, but the CG characters looked top to bottom dodgy. I'll take a poorly articulated mouth on a real physical object over some weird, animated Colorforms looking thing stuck over the empty space the actor was talking at (unconvincingly, usually).

Oh nothing wrong with Nute Gunray, just using him as an example that a non CGI character doesn't necessarily make a movie any better.

Oh nothing wrong with Nute Gunray, just using him as an example that a non CGI character doesn't necessarily make a movie any better.

Arguably, TPM's Yoda puppet was pretty bad as well. The CG replacement (on the blu ray?) seemed miles better from what I recall.

 

[cayman shen]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

True, but I think that was a failing of the puppet, as well as how it was framed, lit, used, etc. Obviously, the lightsaber battles couldn't have happened with the puppet. That may not have been a bad thing. "Yoda can't walk, or fight!" Ok, so frame the shot so he's not shown moving his legs. Don't make him fight. CG allows people to do anything, so they think they should. Practical effects force restraint and creative problem solving. Limitations often produce a far better product (see Monsters vs Godzilla, for instance).

 

[JD]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

True, but I think that was a failing of the puppet, as well as how it was framed, lit, used, etc. Obviously, the lightsaber battles couldn't have happened with the puppet. That may not have been a bad thing. "Yoda can't walk, or fight!" Ok, so frame the shot so he's not shown moving his legs. Don't make him fight. CG allows people to do anything, so they think they should. Practical effects force restraint and creative problem solving. Limitations often produce a far better product (see Monsters vs Godzilla, for instance).

I was referring more to the actual puppet used at the end of TPM, which I think was less about those factors... and more about a bad prop.

But, the rest of the statement that I can agree with (to a point). CG is just a tool and should be used as such - there's no need to overuse it or use it just because you can. Just because I have a car with 400 hp, doesn't mean I need all 400 hp to drive down the street to get a gallon of milk. Or even songwriting/musicianship - just because you can play a million notes in a second doesn't mean the song needs those notes.

 

[Jedifather]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

How about when they flip the image rather than film it correct:

 

[Lutso]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

How about when they flip the image rather than film it correct:

http://www.therpf.com/members/jedifather/albums/other-stuff/330210-hanger.jpghttp://www.therpf.com/members/jedifather/albums/other-stuff/330211-hanger-flipped.jpg

This is ALL over the SW films. It's especially noticeable with the Fetts since they have an antenna on one side of their heads that looks very noticeable when it changes. Boba changes a couple times in ROTJ. Jango seems like his shots are flipped for about 50% of the movie he is in.

 

[joshvanrad]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

How about when they flip the image rather than film it correct:

http://www.therpf.com/members/jedifather/albums/other-stuff/330210-hanger.jpghttp://www.therpf.com/members/jedifather/albums/other-stuff/330211-hanger-flipped.jpg

Oh man, I have never noticed this before. They mirrored stuff that much in SW?

When those sorts of things slip through that just seems like sloppy film editing. Obviously, since I've never noticed it before I can't say that it has changed my viewing experience, but speaking from a professional standpoint those are things that you really ought to catch.

 

[Edwardowan]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

The flipped film is also very noticeable when looking at R2D2 as his projector will be on the wrong side of the dome... It's a quick albeit bad way of changing the scene direction for motion/direction continuity. Kills me when I see flipped film scenes.


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[cayman shen]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

In the TPM, Kenobi's braid was the big giveaway :/