Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)
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GvnHldn
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII
I think people need to remember that Disney may be money-hungry Aristocats but they're still one of the biggest and most successful companies of ALL TIME, I mean honestly, they're up their with MacDonald's.
We all know that their movies were a big chunk of our childhoods too. Disney are aware that they make bad movies too, even though I personally enjoyed John Carter... The point is, they paid for the rights to produce Star Wars movies and they clearly know what they're doing. Relax guys, it's gonna be okay.
With regards to JJ, he's a huge fan of practical effects and sets. Initially he didn't even want to direct it because Star Wars means as much to him as it does to the rest of us. I know I'm biased by being I'm a JJ fanboy but it's not fair to slate him for adding lens flares to things, it's just a signature and it's a pretty one at that. As someone who found the older Star Trek movies and shows uninviting and very grey, I'm glad that he opened up that universe to new fans because otherwise I'd never have known about The Trouble With Tribbles.
Besides, the new movie can't possibly be worse than any of the prequels...
I think people need to remember that Disney may be money-hungry Aristocats but they're still one of the biggest and most successful companies of ALL TIME, I mean honestly, they're up their with MacDonald's.
We all know that their movies were a big chunk of our childhoods too. Disney are aware that they make bad movies too, even though I personally enjoyed John Carter... The point is, they paid for the rights to produce Star Wars movies and they clearly know what they're doing. Relax guys, it's gonna be okay.
With regards to JJ, he's a huge fan of practical effects and sets. Initially he didn't even want to direct it because Star Wars means as much to him as it does to the rest of us. I know I'm biased by being I'm a JJ fanboy but it's not fair to slate him for adding lens flares to things, it's just a signature and it's a pretty one at that. As someone who found the older Star Trek movies and shows uninviting and very grey, I'm glad that he opened up that universe to new fans because otherwise I'd never have known about The Trouble With Tribbles.
Besides, the new movie can't possibly be worse than any of the prequels...
Curmudgeon
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII
^ Well said.
Correct me if I'm wrong.. but I believe that when Disney purchased Lucasfilm it was not dissolved into Walt Disney Pictures, which is a big difference. Walt Disney Studios has owned a lot of film companies in the past. One good example is Miramax Films, which under Disney ownership released many un-disneylike films, a good example being Tarantino films Pulp Fiction through Kill Bill I believe. I think the Lucasfilm ownership will be more like that so people won't have to worry about seeing the castle at the beginning or whatever.
I'll say even movies released directly by Disney are getting some more of their own identity, like Pirates of the Caribbean. People may have differing opinions of the movie but it certainly wasn't anything like a "Disney movie". It was gritty, fairly dark, had language, nothing cute or Jar Jar-like, and actually presented a pretty realistic picture of what life was like then (minus the curses and of course the consequences of battle that you may see in Master and Commander).
Aside from milking the Star Wars name for everything its worth, I'm not worried about Disney ownership at all. Also I do believe that a trilogy was announced, not just Episode 7.
^ Well said.
Correct me if I'm wrong.. but I believe that when Disney purchased Lucasfilm it was not dissolved into Walt Disney Pictures, which is a big difference. Walt Disney Studios has owned a lot of film companies in the past. One good example is Miramax Films, which under Disney ownership released many un-disneylike films, a good example being Tarantino films Pulp Fiction through Kill Bill I believe. I think the Lucasfilm ownership will be more like that so people won't have to worry about seeing the castle at the beginning or whatever.
I'll say even movies released directly by Disney are getting some more of their own identity, like Pirates of the Caribbean. People may have differing opinions of the movie but it certainly wasn't anything like a "Disney movie". It was gritty, fairly dark, had language, nothing cute or Jar Jar-like, and actually presented a pretty realistic picture of what life was like then (minus the curses and of course the consequences of battle that you may see in Master and Commander).
Aside from milking the Star Wars name for everything its worth, I'm not worried about Disney ownership at all. Also I do believe that a trilogy was announced, not just Episode 7.
ImThatGuy
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII
I think that people need to just wait and see, I agree with you that IMO he did the Star Trek franchise justice from fans i've spoken to and I think that he will do us justice as well.
I think that people need to just wait and see, I agree with you that IMO he did the Star Trek franchise justice from fans i've spoken to and I think that he will do us justice as well.
rodneyfaile
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII
A company like McDonald being big and successful doesn't mean much in terms of quality. A Big Mac isn't exactly fine dining. I'm sure Episode VII will be financially successful. I just hope they want to make something with more substance than a McRib.
A company like McDonald being big and successful doesn't mean much in terms of quality. A Big Mac isn't exactly fine dining. I'm sure Episode VII will be financially successful. I just hope they want to make something with more substance than a McRib.
cboath
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII
Was part of the buy out announcement. Said they were doing not only 7-9 but 10-12 and that 7 was going into production immediately for a 2015 release. Now, whether they're not totally sold on 10-12 or not, is unknwon and maybe they've backed off that statement a bit, but really. What are the odds 7-9 don't bank they a crapload? They make a profit, 10-12 are definite.
Was part of the buy out announcement. Said they were doing not only 7-9 but 10-12 and that 7 was going into production immediately for a 2015 release. Now, whether they're not totally sold on 10-12 or not, is unknwon and maybe they've backed off that statement a bit, but really. What are the odds 7-9 don't bank they a crapload? They make a profit, 10-12 are definite.
Solo4114
Master Member
Re: Star Wars Episode VII
I'd figure it'd depend on the story outline past 9. If they want the same actors/characters, then I'd say it's far from assured that they'll make them. If a given actor doesn't want to come back, for example, that'd make it more difficult to do.
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I'd figure it'd depend on the story outline past 9. If they want the same actors/characters, then I'd say it's far from assured that they'll make them. If a given actor doesn't want to come back, for example, that'd make it more difficult to do.
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GvnHldn
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII
Thank you, it's nice to know I'm not the only one who thinks he'll do it justice! I really don't get why people have no faith, it could be SO much worse haha
Thank you, it's nice to know I'm not the only one who thinks he'll do it justice! I really don't get why people have no faith, it could be SO much worse haha
seelsa73
Sr Member
Re: Star Wars Episode VII
I don't remember them ever mentioning 10-12, but then my memory sucks for my age so maybe i missed it.
I don't remember them ever mentioning 10-12, but then my memory sucks for my age so maybe i missed it.
Re: Star Wars Episode VII
Hey bro, I apologize if I came off harsh with my response...I didn't mean anything by it. My main concern is that they get it right. Even if that means a release on Valentines, or perhaps even Groundhogs Day,..
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Hey bro, I apologize if I came off harsh with my response...I didn't mean anything by it. My main concern is that they get it right. Even if that means a release on Valentines, or perhaps even Groundhogs Day,..
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GvnHldn
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII
So far they're only planning a new trilogy and the in-between animated/solo films, Disney confirmed that at a cinema exhibitor's conference I attended in August. Episodes 10 - 12 are obviously an inevitability with time but the only thing on the table right now is a new trilogy.
So far they're only planning a new trilogy and the in-between animated/solo films, Disney confirmed that at a cinema exhibitor's conference I attended in August. Episodes 10 - 12 are obviously an inevitability with time but the only thing on the table right now is a new trilogy.
rodneyfaile
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII
I see a full reboot happening before 10-12.
I see a full reboot happening before 10-12.
GvnHldn
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Zombie_61
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII
John Carter was an example of Disney not knowing what they were doing. The movie was fine, but Disney screwed the pooch when it came to marketing it. The original title was "John Carter of Mars", but they removed the reference to Mars because a) they thought it would limit audience appeal, and b) because they believed movies with the word "Mars" in the title underperformed at the box office. As such, very few people who were unfamiliar with Burroughs' novels showed any interest in the movie, and many of those familiar with Burroughs' John Carter series were concerned that Disney had strayed too far from the original material. In essence, they created their own failure by not having enough faith in the movie and/or the audiences.
I see what you did there.
It's interesting that you would say Disney "Are aware that they make bad movies" and "They clearly know what they're doing" in practically the same sentence. The truth is that they (studios and filmmakers in general, that is) don't "know" how to make a hit movie or they'd do it every time; they can only do their best and hope each movie finds a large enough audience for them to at least break even financially.
John Carter was an example of Disney not knowing what they were doing. The movie was fine, but Disney screwed the pooch when it came to marketing it. The original title was "John Carter of Mars", but they removed the reference to Mars because a) they thought it would limit audience appeal, and b) because they believed movies with the word "Mars" in the title underperformed at the box office. As such, very few people who were unfamiliar with Burroughs' novels showed any interest in the movie, and many of those familiar with Burroughs' John Carter series were concerned that Disney had strayed too far from the original material. In essence, they created their own failure by not having enough faith in the movie and/or the audiences.
And that was exactly what Paramount wanted from J.J.'s Trek movies--to generate a base of new fans who expressed little or no interest in previous Trek incarnations. I've been watching Star Trek since it premiered in September of 1966. I liked J.J.'s Trek movies well enough, flaws and all, but I went in with an open mind knowing it wouldn't be the Star Trek I grew up watching. I don't know if he's the "right" director for Star Wars Episode VII, so I'll wait until I've seen the movie before I decide.
I wouldn't bet any serious money on that.
GvnHldn
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII
Okay, well played haha I meant they are aware they've made bad movies and flops and they seem to understand the gravitas that come with the Star Wars saga. I hold out hope, that JJ will restore balance to the force. Although with regards to him being "right" I don't think there's a right director for anything really because with a director comes a style and with style comes a difference of taste and so on, ipso facto; people will complain regardless of who directs it.
Okay, well played haha I meant they are aware they've made bad movies and flops and they seem to understand the gravitas that come with the Star Wars saga. I hold out hope, that JJ will restore balance to the force. Although with regards to him being "right" I don't think there's a right director for anything really because with a director comes a style and with style comes a difference of taste and so on, ipso facto; people will complain regardless of who directs it.
cboath
Master Member
Re: Star Wars Episode VII
You make it part of the deal to be in 7. Like RDJ signing a 6 picture deal for Stark. Make them sign multi-picture deals to get in. Unlike with E4, they know more or less what's supposed to happen at the end of the upcoming trilogy as there were treatments for all 3. If so and so dies, that role only requires a 2 movie commitment, etc.
You make it part of the deal to be in 7. Like RDJ signing a 6 picture deal for Stark. Make them sign multi-picture deals to get in. Unlike with E4, they know more or less what's supposed to happen at the end of the upcoming trilogy as there were treatments for all 3. If so and so dies, that role only requires a 2 movie commitment, etc.
cboath
Master Member
Re: Star Wars Episode VII
It's like saying there's no avengers 4 on the table right now. Truthfully, it's just too far out. But it's a given that 2 will make money and as long as the movies continue to turn a profit, there'll be more.
10-12 may not be a continuation of 1-9 either. If so, drop the Episode bit and continue as you see fit, but 10-12 were mentioned at the announcement. You can't officially commit to them at this point, they're still 7.5 years away from getting to the release of E9. The only thing preventing 10-12 at this point is 7-9 and the spinnoffs failing in spectacular fashion.
It's like saying there's no avengers 4 on the table right now. Truthfully, it's just too far out. But it's a given that 2 will make money and as long as the movies continue to turn a profit, there'll be more.
10-12 may not be a continuation of 1-9 either. If so, drop the Episode bit and continue as you see fit, but 10-12 were mentioned at the announcement. You can't officially commit to them at this point, they're still 7.5 years away from getting to the release of E9. The only thing preventing 10-12 at this point is 7-9 and the spinnoffs failing in spectacular fashion.
Solo4114
Master Member
Re: Star Wars Episode VII
Yeah, it could be done, but my sense is that the more common deal is a 3-pic deal. Moreover, this would depend on whom you cast. RDJ was already a known star when cast for Iron Man. While people probably didn't see him coming as an awesome action hero (didn't Sherlock Holmes come out after IM1?), he was at least a known quantity. With these films....we really don't know who they'll cast. they might cast unknowns, they might go with established players. Or it might be a mix of the two. I'd figure they'd be more inclined to sign a 3-film deal than a 6-film deal, though. It offers a bit more flexibility.
Yeah, it could be done, but my sense is that the more common deal is a 3-pic deal. Moreover, this would depend on whom you cast. RDJ was already a known star when cast for Iron Man. While people probably didn't see him coming as an awesome action hero (didn't Sherlock Holmes come out after IM1?), he was at least a known quantity. With these films....we really don't know who they'll cast. they might cast unknowns, they might go with established players. Or it might be a mix of the two. I'd figure they'd be more inclined to sign a 3-film deal than a 6-film deal, though. It offers a bit more flexibility.
Zombie_61
Master Member
Re: Star Wars Episode VII
Ah, now I understand what you were trying to say; it didn't quite come across that way in your previous post. I'm sure The Suits at Disney knew what their responsibilities would be when they bought the Star Wars franchise, and know they have to please a sizable fan base if they want to generate the profits they're expecting.
I concur. I certainly think J.J. is more "right" for Star Wars than directors like Quentin Tarantino or Micheal Bay, whose styles most definitely wouldn't be a good fit.
GvnHldn
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII
I dunno, I'd happily pay for a ticket to an episode of Star Wars directed by Tarantino haha! We could call is Star Warped-sense-of-humour.
I dunno, I'd happily pay for a ticket to an episode of Star Wars directed by Tarantino haha! We could call is Star Warped-sense-of-humour.
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