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Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I'm with this. If past characters are included, it shouldn't be for anything more than a tiny cameo. I'm interested in seeing new characters.

I wouldn't mind Luke as a narrator for some stories of the Old Republic.

Or just say the hell with it and skip us ahead a few centuries and show a new republic and a new threat.

Just admit the whole Vader,Luke,and everybody and a Bantha is bled dry and we need some strange :lol
 
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I'd like to see Hamill in a decent-sized supporting role. It makes sense from a story perspective and it would be cool to see Luke Skywalker having decent screentime again. The others, I agree, might be better suited to smaller cameos.

That said, Stephen Moffatt managed to make a return appearance by an aging former Doctor Who actor into something really cool and poignant in Time Crash, don't see why the same couldn't be done with star wars alum.
Just watched Wreck It Ralph and both the movie and the short before had me rapt within about three minutes each. Couldn't stop thinking how cool it would be to have a star wars movie where I felt the same.
 
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While I agree that it'd be nice to see a whole new story with new characters I'm pretty sure it's a given that at least one if not all of Luke, Leia, Han or Chewie will show up in episode 7 to tie the whole saga together.

If they do go that route then I'd be happy with just a Luke cameo to pass the baton to a new hero. I honestly can't see how any of the OT characters can carry the movie though as all the characters (and actors) are getting to old to be running round as heroes. In a AG / mentor role fine but not carrying the movie.

Also please don't bring back Vader unless you've thought of an AMAZING way to resurrect him and definitely no Boba, as cool as he was he was a pretty poor bounty hunter in his prime (from what we saw) so I don't think he'd be any better at the age he'd be in the ST.
 
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If they do go that route then I'd be happy with just a Luke cameo to pass the baton to a new hero. I honestly can't see how any of the OT characters can carry the movie though as all the characters (and actors) are getting to old to be running round as heroes. In a AG / mentor role fine but not carrying the movie.
What a sad state of things when comments like this are made. As if only teens and pre-thirty-year-olds can be heroes and carry a movie.

THAT's why Superman is made a young character and not the older, wise character that he should be.

THAT's why they want to make Batman young and not have him grow up and grow old.

THAT's why they keep making teen Spider-Man movies, 'cause... that character cannot possibly grow up and keep being a hero after turning 30.

Sorry that I singled your comment out and it is not an attack against you, but a reaction towards that Hollywood trend that seems to be flooding out into society and making people think no one over thirty can hold a movie or be a hero - the thought that no one wants to see older people or ugly people or fat people. No, young, beautiful, shallow people is a must. They simply do not carry the weight and life-wisdom needed for some of those roles or the situations they are put through.

I sure hope at least Luke is more than just a cameo - he should be an integral part of the story. HELL... he's THE senior Jedi... he HAS to have a big presence. At least Luke's and Leia's struggles to help rebuild the republic seems like a worthy and interesting story over just some teens running around with florescent tube sticks and hitting it against each other in ballet dance moves and fancy '80' style excess karate and gymnastics jumps.
 
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They can jump centuries down the road or centuries into the past - and i'm sure they will - but not with 7-9. It'd be like watching a TV show and in the 12th episode of the year it just 'jumps' 200 years down the road and instead of the family you've been watching, all of a sudden you're watching the family of the great great grandson.

7-9 pretty much needs to be who we knew in E4, but trying to get the next generation on the right track and building the family which neither Luke nor his father really had before.
 
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What a sad state of things when comments like this are made. As if only teens and pre-thirty-year-olds can be heroes and carry a movie.

THAT's why Superman is made a young character and not the older, wise character that he should be.

THAT's why they want to make Batman young and not have him grow up and grow old.

THAT's why they keep making teen Spider-Man movies, 'cause... that character cannot possibly grow up and keep being a hero after turning 30.

Sorry that I singled your comment out and it is not an attack against you, but a reaction towards that Hollywood trend that seems to be flooding out into society and making people think no one over thirty can hold a movie or be a hero - the thought that no one wants to see older people or ugly people or fat people. No, young, beautiful, shallow people is a must. They simply do not carry the weight and life-wisdom needed for some of those roles or the situations they are put through.

I sure hope at least Luke is more than just a cameo - he should be an integral part of the story. HELL... he's THE senior Jedi... he HAS a big presence. At least Luke's and Leia's struggles to help rebuild the republic seems like a worthy and interesting story over just some teens running around with florescent tube sticks and hitting it against each other in ballet dance moves and fancy '80' style excess karate and gymnastics jumps.


No offence taken, I get what you're saying and if this had been even 10 years ago then I'd be all for Luke Leia and Han carrying the movie but I just can't see Han running around and still smuggling at almost 60/70 years old.

I did say I'd be happy to see Luke in a mentor role but there has to be a passing of the torch in episode 7 in my opinion. How old are the actors going to be in 3 years anyway ?

I get what you're saying and agree to a certain extent, I'd love to see an aged batman movie. Spiderman I always think of as younger because of the athleticsmism he has/needs. It's always amazed me though that Superman got to 30 odd and no older.
 
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While I don't feel that any returning character (Luke, Han, Leia, etc.) should be reduced to a mere cameo I do feel that they shouldn't be the main protagonist(s) and should have just a supporting role. I think that they're story is over and has been told but it would be a waste to have them just make an appearance, say a line or two, and see no more of them for the rest of the movie(s), their characters played too large of a role in the OT to simply reduce them to a mere cameo.
 
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While I don't feel that any returning character (Luke, Han, Leia, etc.) should be reduced to a mere cameo I do feel that they shouldn't be the main protagonist(s) and should have just a supporting role. I think that they're story is over and has been told but it would be a waste to have them just make an appearance, say a line or two, and see no more of them for the rest of the movie(s), their characters played too large of a role in the OT to simply reduce them to a mere cameo.

+1 well said.
 
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Yes. I wouldn't mind at all if they weren't the main stars of the film, but I also don't think they should be reduced to a cameo because they deserve more than that. Supporting roles i'm all for. Of course the storyline will have to be a transitional sort of thing and build some development into new characters we hopefully give a crap about.

I'm hoping they go back to making characters we can much more attach to like the classic trilogy instead of volumizing for toy marketing purposes.
 
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Yeah, a cameo just for the sake of a cameo is doofy. That was one of the issues with the PT where Chewbacca happened to work as a roadie for Yoda's band and is in that one scene where Yoda says "Ground the mics, you must."

Wait. Maybe that was a different movie.

Well, anyway, you get my point. IF they're gonna be in, use them effectively, rather than as a "sight gag" or for fan service. Otherwise, don't use 'em at all.
 
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No offence taken, I get what you're saying and if this had been even 10 years ago then I'd be all for Luke Leia and Han carrying the movie but I just can't see Han running around and still smuggling at almost 60/70 years old.

I did say I'd be happy to see Luke in a mentor role but there has to be a passing of the torch in episode 7 in my opinion. How old are the actors going to be in 3 years anyway ?

I get what you're saying and agree to a certain extent, I'd love to see an aged batman movie. Spiderman I always think of as younger because of the athleticsmism he has/needs. It's always amazed me though that Superman got to 30 odd and no older.
Glad I didn't come off as offensive, as I do occasionally come off a little strong. However... like growing up and growing old, characters change and so does what they are doing. I can certainly see Solo being grumpy with being a second fiddle to Leia trying to get the new republic going and all that politicing, but think of it this way... having been a smuggler, and knowing how they operate he would be suited for a fantastic mediator for the common people - those who were greatly ignored by authorities and the Jedi in the PT, who dealt more with the rich and those in power. He could certainly be seen as a very successful business tycoon... or... he could even be so weary with the establishment that he breaks off and becomes pretty much a crime boss like Jabba - not as fat as Jabba, but you get the picture. There are a myriad options for this character, if the writer and director and Lucas is brave enough to make the character interesting again, as he did become a bit of a follower and a lost some of his edginess in the latter films. I don't even know how the EU treated the character, but I doubt they pushed him further than what he already was - an ex-smuggler.

With Leia being the expected leader, there is a tremendous amount of pressure there and it can push her in any direction. It could make her the most lovable leader (boring and without much drama, in a way) or they could give her a duality, where she actually starts compromising in order to achieve the goals of restoring the republic... in effect making her have an edge. Solo may even be pushing things that way. Though... again... who would like to see people who struggled all through the galactic Empire days only to become exactly like those they fought - sure, that's what happens in reality, but would it be something anyone would like to see in Star Wars, basically, as was eloquently stated in Batman: Either you die a hero or see yourself become the villain. Do anyone want that level of realism in the next couple of films? The breaking apart of the trio, giving rise to the struggle between them to either destroy each other or find a way to get back on track. Sure, it's great drama... but is it something that fits into the Star Wars universe. I always sorta thought that's what happened to Anakin... he was a good man, who had a set of goals, but along the way lost track of the methods used to achieve that goal.

What I'm saying is: the character arcs really aren't over or locked in place. Great drama adds doubts and change and controversy and a push against the status quo and what you believe in and what you are. It's kinda sad to hear from people who can't imagine interesting stories with these characters just because they are a little old. It just feels like a loss of imagination and I really do not mean that as an insult. There are still loads to tell with these characters and it all depends on writing good, compelling stories where they are suddenly the old guard and new up-and-comers are coming in and taking the scene, and they have to figure out how best to guide them and build a world around them that is worth handing over and continue.
 
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I'd like to see Hamill in a decent-sized supporting role. It makes sense from a story perspective and it would be cool to see Luke Skywalker having decent screentime again. The others, I agree, might be better suited to smaller cameos.

The best place for Luke would be in the rebuilt Jedi temples teaching new Jedi. He's only got one lifetime to teach the kids the Force, being the last of the Jedi, before he goes all ghost Jedi. He shouldn't be out in the field, he's too important for starting up the Jedi again.

I hope they promoted Leia to Queen by now too.
 
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Yeah, Luke's best bet is to locate Yoda's species and train a few of them. Instant Jedi set up for 900 years. Heh... the whole premise could be about the search for Yoda's race. LOL.

But... Leia... queen of what? Her whole planet got destroyed... marrying a commoner won't make her queen, only marrying a king would. Though... Padmé was queen by democratic vote, so clearly the titles doesn't work as they do here on Earth.
 
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I want it all centered on Luke. That likely not gonna happen but thats what I want.

Yeah they will go for young ppl as leads. Because they wanna sell the toys to a young audience.
 
Have you guys seen Mark Hamill recently? He's gone the way of the Shat, and doesn't exactly look like a Jedi anymore. Even Alec Guinness was pretty trim for an old dude. That's the number one issue I see with a cameo of any of the old actors, is how different they all look. Carrie Fisher is the only one who really looks only 30 years older.
 
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Have you guys seen Mark Hamill recently? He's gone the way of the Shat, and doesn't exactly look like a Jedi anymore. Even Alec Guinness was pretty trim for an old dude. That's the number one issue I see with a cameo of any of the old actors, is how different they all look. Carrie Fisher is the only one who really looks only 30 years older.

Waive a big payday in front of his face and watch how fit he can get.
 
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It's not impossible to lose weight, get in shape, or even look younger in Hollywood. That can happen and often times does. The outstanding question is still what sort of roles any of these classic characters would have, whatever physical shape they're in, in the movie(s). I don't see them running around shooting pistols or swinging lightsabers like they did thirty years ago, but mere cameos as a nod to continuity and connection will feel like shortchanging as well. If any of these original characters are to return, they will need to have weight and presence of some sort.
 
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Glad I didn't come off as offensive, as I do occasionally come off a little strong. However... like growing up and growing old, characters change and so does what they are doing. I can certainly see Solo being grumpy with being a second fiddle to Leia trying to get the new republic going and all that politicing, but think of it this way... having been a smuggler, and knowing how they operate he would be suited for a fantastic mediator for the common people - those who were greatly ignored by authorities and the Jedi in the PT, who dealt more with the rich and those in power. He could certainly be seen as a very successful business tycoon... or... he could even be so weary with the establishment that he breaks off and becomes pretty much a crime boss like Jabba - not as fat as Jabba, but you get the picture. There are a myriad options for this character, if the writer and director and Lucas is brave enough to make the character interesting again, as he did become a bit of a follower and a lost some of his edginess in the latter films. I don't even know how the EU treated the character, but I doubt they pushed him further than what he already was - an ex-smuggler.

With Leia being the expected leader, there is a tremendous amount of pressure there and it can push her in any direction. It could make her the most lovable leader (boring and without much drama, in a way) or they could give her a duality, where she actually starts compromising in order to achieve the goals of restoring the republic... in effect making her have an edge. Solo may even be pushing things that way. Though... again... who would like to see people who struggled all through the galactic Empire days only to become exactly like those they fought - sure, that's what happens in reality, but would it be something anyone would like to see in Star Wars, basically, as was eloquently stated in Batman: Either you die a hero or see yourself become the villain. Do anyone want that level of realism in the next couple of films? The breaking apart of the trio, giving rise to the struggle between them to either destroy each other or find a way to get back on track. Sure, it's great drama... but is it something that fits into the Star Wars universe. I always sorta thought that's what happened to Anakin... he was a good man, who had a set of goals, but along the way lost track of the methods used to achieve that goal.

What I'm saying is: the character arcs really aren't over or locked in place. Great drama adds doubts and change and controversy and a push against the status quo and what you believe in and what you are. It's kinda sad to hear from people who can't imagine interesting stories with these characters just because they are a little old. It just feels like a loss of imagination and I really do not mean that as an insult. There are still loads to tell with these characters and it all depends on writing good, compelling stories where they are suddenly the old guard and new up-and-comers are coming in and taking the scene, and they have to figure out how best to guide them and build a world around them that is worth handing over and continue.

Sounds like a good premise for a series of novels of comic books but I really wouldn't want it for a movie or series of movies. Some elements would be great to see in the Ep. VII and on but not as the main premise. At most I'd want no more than the first half of the Ep VII dealing with that and even then only as a setup to introduce to new characters whose narrative will be the focus of Ep. VII - IX.
 
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