Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Maul was axed way too early. He should've been the last villain to give Anakin a real challenge...

That's how I felt about Boba Fett... imagine if they showed him blasting out of the Sarlaac.... then later on Endor while Luke and Leia are on their scout bike chase Han runs into his old buddy boba! and like an old western draw, Han and Boba go for their weapons but Han is quicker and well, shoots first! :D then he can reholster the gun spinning it like Jango Fett did in the prequel echoing that scene as a nod.... again... if only!
 
Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Yeah Maul and Fett are classic examples of "who knew?" when they were written. :) No way GL could have anticipated how strongly they would resonate with fans.
 
Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I grew up watching newer stuff, but also watching old black and white films with my folks, so I had an appreciation for a wide range of stuff. As a result, now that I'm older, I don't disregard older films and can appreciate them even if they don't have the latest and greatest f/x, because I take them as products of their time..

A lot o' truth right there. Also, surprises may come along: I've seen a few silent films that have fx shots which, to this day, confound me as to how they accomplished them! :confused
 
Re: Star Wars Episode VII

its amazing how much weight falls off when you stop the before the bed snacks and stop drinking colas!

I'm with you on that... there is so much time there that could be used for some great action.... Vader helped the Emperor hunt down and destroy the jedi... well, that could mean anything during that time... perhaps while Ben and Yoda took their vacation time there were a few other Jedi trying to figure out what the hell happened or went into hiding to bide their time to fight vader as well... so we could easily have films or tv series of vader fighting jedi and palpy helping him to find them, training Vader in the ways of the dark side to make him stronger... Vader commanding troops and fighting smaller resistance from various worlds trying to stay out of imperial entanglements.... a young Han and Chewie avoiding imperial entanglements, dropping their cargo at the first sign of an Imperial Starship :lol Building of the Death Star... perhaps show a band of rebels trying to steal the plans for the death star only to be confronted by a saber wielding Vader and meeting their doom! But where did those plans go? or perhaps they were but the first to try to steal the plans... WE can still see Artoo and Threepio under the command of Capt. Antilles on the Tantive IV... if only:cry

there is a lot that could still be classic star wars in that time period

I can't see Vader or the Emperor, singularly or in tandem, flicking off all of the dispersed Jedi. There have to have been many of them that "got away" to disparate parts of the galaxy when the Imperial onslaught began. So, yes indeed, there are many, many plot points that could be dramatized in the period between episodes III and IV. Not the least of which is a young Leia Organa assuming her role in the Imperial Senate (while clandestinely giving aid and comfort to the Rebels), and a young Luke wandering aimlessly along the arid wastes of Tatooine wondering why the hell he was ever born!! :p J/K...:lol But yeah, there is a rich and fertile ground to be covered in this time period and I think there are more than a few of us who've wondered over the years exactly what it could have been. That period is a hell of a lot more exciting to me than were the years of the prequels... No malice or scorn to GL intended...! :)

That's how I felt about Boba Fett... imagine if they showed him blasting out of the Sarlaac.... then later on Endor while Luke and Leia are on their scout bike chase Han runs into his old buddy boba! and like an old western draw, Han and Boba go for their weapons but Han is quicker and well, shoots first! :D then he can reholster the gun spinning it like Jango Fett did in the prequel echoing that scene as a nod.... again... if only!

Han should shoot first, again, somewhere... :lol

Yeah Maul and Fett are classic examples of "who knew?" when they were written. :) No way GL could have anticipated how strongly they would resonate with fans.

Whoever penned these two ...:thumbsup
 
Re: Star Wars Episode VII

awesome... so now we just recast for the prequel-sequel prequel!
Yelchin as Luke Skywalker
Luke-Skywalker-Hamill-Yelchin.jpg

James Franco as Han Solo
james-franco.jpg

McGregor as Obi Wan (that's a given!)
ewan-mcgregor.jpg

Emma Watson as Leia
emma-watson-4ed4d52a3873a.jpg

Jeff Bridges as Uncle Owen! :D
jeff-bridges--large-msg-129497170527.jpg


Willem Defoe as Tarken!

willem-dafoe.jpg


okay... nuff. :lol
 
Re: Star Wars Episode VII

awesome... so now we just recast for the prequel-sequel prequel!
Yelchin as Luke Skywalker
Luke-Skywalker-Hamill-Yelchin.jpg

James Franco as Han Solo
james-franco.jpg

McGregor as Obi Wan (that's a given!)
ewan-mcgregor.jpg

Emma Watson as Leia
emma-watson-4ed4d52a3873a.jpg

Jeff Bridges as Uncle Owen! :D
jeff-bridges--large-msg-129497170527.jpg


Willem Defoe as Tarken!

willem-dafoe.jpg


okay... nuff. :lol


Are you on a Cocoa Puff binge...?! :lol:lol
 
Re: Star Wars Episode VII

hahaha! ya, trippin on Trix!


okay so we can still use Bonnie Piesse and Joel Edgerton as Beru and Owen :lol

preberu2.jpg


Now there's a duo... I was impressed at how these two easily fit the part of the characters they were playing. :thumbsup
 
Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Now there's a duo... I was impressed at how these two easily fit the part of the characters they were playing. :thumbsup

if only they actually got to play them! :D more lost opportunity... there was some edited scenes with Bonnie speaking with Natalie as padme in the homestead on the DVD for Attack of the Clones. cute girl.
 
Re: Star Wars Episode VII

They did clone him in an EU novel...But I think they need to blank slate this beyond the inclusion of a few of the OT folks to give it symmetry.

OMG the Dark Empire comics were the worst IMO. Hey the Emperor was cloned and has a superweapon... oh well he got killed. Oh hey they cloned him again and he has another superweapon... d***it! he was killed again. Oh but wait there's another clone emperor and he... I can't believe it another super weapon! Crap he died again, oh well. :lol
 
Re: Star Wars Episode VII

so if these were ever recast and filmed they would be between episodes 1, 2, 3 and 4, 5, 6... so they would be Star WArs episode 3.3, 3.6 and 3.8 :D
 
Re: Star Wars Episode VII

if only they actually got to play them! :D more lost opportunity... there was some edited scenes with Bonnie speaking with Natalie as padme in the homestead on the DVD for Attack of the Clones. cute girl.

Where are these scenes from...? I'd love to see them!




OMG the Dark Empire comics were the worst IMO. Hey the Emperor was cloned and has a superweapon... oh well he got killed. Oh hey they cloned him again and he has another superweapon... d***it! he was killed again. Oh but wait there's another clone emperor and he... I can't believe it another super weapon! Crap he died again, oh well. :lol

Only from the mind of Minolta...!! SW wasn't meant to be re-fried like this!
 
Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Where are these scenes from...? I'd love to see them!






Only from the mind of Minolta...!! SW wasn't meant to be re-fried like this!

its been so long since I viewed them that my hyperactive count chocula brain must have imagined it was on the dvd deleted scenes but here is a synopsis... could be my having read this years ago made me think I actually saw it... could have sworn I did though. hmmmm.

A more substantial Beru scene was cut from Attack of the Clones: after Anakin Skywalker returns to the farm with his mother's body, Beru helps Amidala prepare a meal, featuring blue milk, for Skywalker, having a short conversation with Amidala about Naboo and her own reluctance to travel. Nonetheless, this scene does, appear in the film's novelization.
 
Re: Star Wars Episode VII

its been so long since I viewed them that my hyperactive count chocula brain must have imagined it was on the dvd deleted scenes


I know what you mean! :lol:lol

My mind has seen quite a few deleted and non sequitur scenes from SW over the years... It must be a result of age... or something...!!
 
Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Yeah Maul and Fett are classic examples of "who knew?" when they were written. :) No way GL could have anticipated how strongly they would resonate with fans.

No one could have anticipated their popularity. Hell, no one even anticipated Star Wars ever getting made much less have characters that would resonate with people. But to me when it comes to Maul and Fett, and many, many others like them, it's more like "who cares?"

They were both cool looking/ cool fighting henchmen that both died in lame ways. At least if Obi-wan had cut Maul in half while he was still flying out of the chasm, like they did it in the TPM comic adaptation, that would have been AWESOME!

The problem is Boba Fett and Darth Maul were not developed characters in the films. They may have been fleshed out in the novels and comics, but in the movies alone, they were plot devices used to drive the story forward or increase the conflict. There's nothing wrong with that and they were fun to watch, but I can't take them too seriously like I could with the main characters and story. Just because their outfits were cool (and they most certainly were), it doesn't mean that they are good characters. They don't have an arch that shows growth, or depth like the leads do, and that's fine because that isn't their function in the story.

I think when they develop spin off films of these guys (and they likely will) they won't be as good as everyone is imagining them to be. Also I wouldn't expect ANY of their established canon being regarded in those movies. These guys are the ancillary players who don't have a lot to offer in terms of really meaty stories. Perhaps in the right hands, they could be, but as they are now, they don't have much to tell. I just wish more people would be honest about their love for them and say that they are awesome looking, rather than trying to argue about the greatness of their persona.

----If you want to get technical ROTS showed a lot of the things that people have been asking for, though in a lousy, truncated way. It showed Anakin turning, hunting down the Jedi, the emperor assuming power, the emperor "training" vader (more like giving him orders to murder people) and then telling Anakin AFTER he becomes Vader that "maybe they can figure out" the Sith secret of immortality. And like a complete and total idiot, he doesn't even bother asking how Palpatine knows about his wife, or how he means to teach him to cheat death. You'd think he would have killed Palpatine for lying to him about that. Not to mention being given some sort of proof that saving someone from death is even possible, BEFORE he decides to commit genocide. What a moron! How in the world was anyone supposed to view THAT as a tragedy? Why, because he couldn't think for himself? Don't get me wrong, that is sad, but sad meaning pathetic, not someone I could fully empathize with, which is what makes a tragedy story well, tragic.

Speaking of pathetic, it's sad that the 3D Clone Wars cartoon is even considered canon. They don't even stick with the continuity of the trilogy which spawned them. Darth Maul gets cut in half and lives? Anakin won't be given the rank of Master, but will still be given an apprentice? Jedi aren't allowed to love, but Obi-Wan has a girlfriend, and knows about Anakin and Padme? Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan have communicated several times, and yet by ROTS Yoda has to teach a shocked Obi-Wan how to do it. Does he have amnesia? Is everyone invincible? Jedi can withstand carbon freezing, but according to Lando (a few decades later) they've never done it, and they were terrified Han or Luke might die when frozen. Kind of kills all the dramatic tension in the freezing chamber doesn't it?-----

---The problem is that when you take a backstory and flesh it out into a full story, it too HAS TO HAVE IT'S OWN BACK STORY! I'm currently rewriting my own fantasy stories, and in order to make them work and have some sort of grounding, I have to establish the world, and the context in which my characters are living. This means giving them their own history.

A New Hope set up where Luke came from, who his father was, how Obi-Wan was teaching Luke, and why he was doing it. It established a history and backdrop for what was about to happen in the first film. Not to mention, a huge part of the magic that sold us on this fantasy was that it was filled with visual metaphors that reinforced the ideas of the story. Luke destroys the Death Star, a fire breathing dragon that destroys worlds, and from it's bowels, he'd earlier rescued a princess.

The prequels had no grounding on which to pin our characters. We know it was a time of peace. But even in peace time, there is still conflict of some kind or another. Why was Qui-Gon such a risk taker? Why was Obi-Wan so by the book? Why weren't the Jedi more intelligent thinkers? And that whole the Dark side clouds everything bs is just a lame excuse for poor writing. So what if it clouds their judgement. If Sidious was THAT powerful that he could get them to not think clearly, then why bother setting up a phony war that lasted decades, and just launch an outright coup on the republic as a pronounced Sith lord? He can make them all stupid, right? What was the main theme, and what were the exact visual metaphors that illustrated it?

For all of my complaints about Lucas, I think his lack of focus is his weak spot in the last few years. The man is a VISUAL GENIUS! I dare anyone to deny that. If you watch any of the extra features on any one of the films (all six) you can see that he clearly knows what looks right in his films, almost by instinct. And when you see the final design in the finished film, it looks distinctly Star Wars. The problem is that where in the past he had others around him to steer his imagination so that his strong visuals reinforced the themes of the stories he told, he no longer had people around him to help him focus that creative energy in a logical narrative sense. You have a LOT of disparate themes going on in the prequels, rather than one cohesive theme that weaves it's way through the trilogy to tie together at the climax of ROTS.

At least with the sequel trilogy, we have some hope that they will be good, especially because the preceding films have a strong foundation on which to create further adventures in that universe. The stage has been set. We have a history with which to ground the new stories.

Sorry. There was a lot of ground to cover since my last post. hahaha
 
Last edited:
Re: Star Wars Episode VII

An interesting take, and one of the only ones that's ever made me question my fundamentalist position.

Part of my decision, though, also comes from wanting my kids to be able to appreciate "old" films. I grew up watching newer stuff, but also watching old black and white films with my folks, so I had an appreciation for a wide range of stuff. As a result, now that I'm older, I don't disregard older films and can appreciate them even if they don't have the latest and greatest f/x, because I take them as products of their time. I'd kinda like to give that to my kids (when I have them) too.
A lot o' truth right there. Also, surprises may come along: I've seen a few silent films that have fx shots which, to this day, confound me as to how they accomplished them! :confused
Preach it LOUD! For as long as I can remember I've enjoyed watching movies regardless of when they were made, whether they were black and white or color, A-List stars or not-so-well-known contract players, flawless effects or obvious strings attached. A good movie is a good movie, simple as that.
 
Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Forgive my ignorance, but what is a visual metaphor?
I had to google it :D but here is a definition...
(Life of Pi is chock full of visual metaphors)

The representation of a person, place, thing, or idea by way of a visual image that suggests a particular association or point of similarity.

Modern advertising relies heavily on visual metaphors. For example, in a magazine ad for the banking firm Morgan Stanley, a man is pictured bungee jumping off a cliff. Two words serve to explain this visual metaphor: a dotted line from the jumper's head points to the word "You"; another line from the end of the bungee cord points to "Us." The metaphorical message--of safety and security provided in times of risk--is conveyed through a single dramatic image.

As in verbal metaphors (such as "football is war" or "the world is a stage"), at least one feature or association is "mapped" from the source to the target. Often, a whole set of (interrelated) features is mapped from source to target. Visual/pictorial metaphors are used often in advertising, but also in political cartoons and films.
8 Movie Metaphors Worth Puzzling Over:
http://www.mentalfloss.com/article/18028/8-movie-metaphors-worth-puzzling-over
 
Re: Star Wars Episode VII

so if these were ever recast and filmed they would be between episodes 1, 2, 3 and 4, 5, 6... so they would be Star WArs episode 3.3, 3.6 and 3.8 :D


"Star Wars 33 1/3: The Smell of Wookie" Why of why was there no write-in on the on-line SW Sequel generator?
 
Re: Star Wars Episode VII

oh I know, it was just in showing if Maul can survive a fall in a shaft cut in half then the emperor could have survived his fall in the shaft... he was more powerful than Maul after all! So we could in theory get the emperor and Ian McDiarmid back! :D

He could have survived the fall, but Naboo didn't exactly do the big firework the way DS2 did right after Palps fell. Guy be deadified.
 
Back
Top