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All novels with the Star Wars stamp on it, no matter who they're written by, are the intellectual property of Lucas liscensing, owned by Lucasfilm, owned in turn by Disney, and they can use none, any or all content written within those novels as they see fit with or without the permission of the authors. The authors know this before they write a single word, so this "legal minefield" you speak of does not exist.


Yeah, you are 100% correct but that still doesn't mean someone can't try and sue or make a big media fuss how their creation is being exploited by Disney, demand royalty fees, for example, for the merchandise. Never underestimate someones ability to try and get what they think they deserve regardless of a contract they signed years ago.
 
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Part of me is glad the only books after ROTJ I have read were the Thrawn Trilogy. And even then (although good) I am not dead set on "This is the way it was in the books, so this is how it has to be." Perhaps if I had read further down the line I would feel differently, but all in all I think not having been "tainted" by the EU books will help me enjoy the film a lot better and not be so picky as to what I thought it should be in my head while reading.
 
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I'm glad , this way the new Star Wars franchise will stay fresh for everyone, either smelling of Fresh Cream or Fresh Cow Dong,
 
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Oh I know that I was just mentioning the way characters would be changing. I think at most we may get a cameo or minor character the way Aayla was put in the Prequels. For example, if there's a scene with a bunch of Jedi, it would easy to slip in some recognizable characters in the gathering.

Honestly, I think existing EU-only characters will probably not be used at all. It creates too many complications because people end up trying to figure out how close to the old character versions the new ones are, whether they'll play a role in the canonical universe, and then when they don't, they'll end up pissed. So much of the post-'91 material is connected that I just don't think there's a way to salvage characters without dramatically changing them, which begs the question....what's the point? Fan service? Would taht really work? If you saw, for example, some redhead female Jedi training at the new temple wherever, she got referred to as "Mara" in passing....and then that was it, never appeared again in any materials, what would you as a fan of the EU think of the decision to use her? Or if they did use her and then totally changed her character so that she's no longer the Emperor's Hand, and was instead just some random woman who helped the Alliance during the war and otherwise has no connection to the Mara Jade we already know, aside from her looks, her name, and her force sensitivity?

I don't see that really benefiting Disney, nor satisfying the EU fans it's designed to satisfy. Better to just create new characters and let fans connect to them. If you want to revisit Mara Jade, there's over 20 years of material out there to do it with. At least, that's what I figure Disney will say.


I think it's a good decision, ultimately. Better to have a single, coordinated marketing strategy so that you don't always have the "Sword of Lucas" hanging over your head, deciding that "No, clones were NOT created by the Spaarti, and were instead created by Kaminoans. I don't care what Tim Zahn said." All that does is create conflict within the story, and devalue the EU material. Better to have it all just be Star Wars. But the only way to do that, is to say "Ok, all that stuff before? Didn't happen. We're moving forward. You can still buy and read it, though. Please, continue to enjoy it if you like those stories. But we won't be continuing them." It would be an impossible task to salvage portions of the EU. So, just consider it an alternate universe or some Force vision Luke had of what might have been as he meditated one night after eating some Corellian cooking from Han.

I still think EU concepts will be lifted fairly liberally (e.g. Corellia as Han's home planet), but I doubt any characters or plot points (other than very general ones) will survive.
 
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I'm glad , this way the new Star Wars franchise will stay fresh for everyone, either smelling of Fresh Cream or Fresh Cow Dong,

You meant cow dung, right? I hope. Please God tell me no one knows what cow dong smells like. Also, cows are technically female so bull dong might be more accurate. Disturbing either way,
 
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Mark Hamill is also in London today,......wait.....with....DARTH MAUL??????,.......well the voice of Maul

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https://twitter.com/serafinowicz/status/460490925656268800/photo/1

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Honestly, I think existing EU-only characters will probably not be used at all. It creates too many complications because people end up trying to figure out how close to the old character versions the new ones are, whether they'll play a role in the canonical universe, and then when they don't, they'll end up pissed. So much of the post-'91 material is connected that I just don't think there's a way to salvage characters without dramatically changing them, which begs the question....what's the point? Fan service? Would taht really work? If you saw, for example, some redhead female Jedi training at the new temple wherever, she got referred to as "Mara" in passing....and then that was it, never appeared again in any materials, what would you as a fan of the EU think of the decision to use her? Or if they did use her and then totally changed her character so that she's no longer the Emperor's Hand, and was instead just some random woman who helped the Alliance during the war and otherwise has no connection to the Mara Jade we already know, aside from her looks, her name, and her force sensitivity?

Either way fans of the EU are going to compare the new movies to the post ROTJ EU anyway. So if it's worse they aren't going to like it regardless. When I say worse, I mean the general situation, not individual stories. For instance, a New Republic, Luke rebuilding the Order, etc.

I think the worse part is some fans (here and other fan boards) who seem genuinely happy that other fans are ticked the EU is getting wiped. I don't get that. The really funny part is that now every book, game, etc. is going to be canon. As in real canon, not EU canon. So every crappy novel or game released from now on will now be in the same category as the movies. So what's better?
 
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Either way fans of the EU are going to compare the new movies to the post ROTJ EU anyway. So if it's worse they aren't going to like it regardless. When I say worse, I mean the general situation, not individual stories. For instance, a New Republic, Luke rebuilding the Order, etc.

I think the worse part is some fans (here and other fan boards) who seem genuinely happy that other fans are ticked the EU is getting wiped. I don't get that. The really funny part is that now every book, game, etc. is going to be canon. As in real canon, not EU canon. So every crappy novel or game released from now on will now be in the same category as the movies. So what's better?

As a fan of the previous EU, all I can say, and I mean this as a business analyst, fans of the EU who can't reconcile this will be acceptable casualties, by a long shot. You are not who Disney is looking to satisfy and for good reason as fans like this are minimal at best in regards to this franchise potential.
 
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Either way fans of the EU are going to compare the new movies to the post ROTJ EU anyway. So if it's worse they aren't going to like it regardless. When I say worse, I mean the general situation, not individual stories. For instance, a New Republic, Luke rebuilding the Order, etc.

I think the worse part is some fans (here and other fan boards) who seem genuinely happy that other fans are ticked the EU is getting wiped. I don't get that. The really funny part is that now every book, game, etc. is going to be canon. As in real canon, not EU canon. So every crappy novel or game released from now on will now be in the same category as the movies. So what's better?

Well, the question is really "Better for whom?" For that, I'll let Bryan answer.

As a fan of the previous EU, all I can say, and I mean this as a business analyst, fans of the EU who can't reconcile this will be acceptable casualties, by a long shot. You are not who Disney is looking to satisfy and for good reason as fans like this are minimal at best in regards to this franchise potential.

This.

Disney wants to expand the fanbase, and produce tons of stuff that is no longer the obscure side-story material that only hardcore geeks know about. They want a marketing blitz, heightened awareness of the brand, etc. They want to take Star Wars back to 1982-83 in terms of its popularity, and then expand it from there. Star Wars is gonna be a flagship brand for them, and why not? It's one of THE most successful brands in the last 50 years.

To do that effectively, though, they need everyone marching in lockstep formation. That means ALL material is coordinated, nothing steps on anything else's toes, and you don't run into continuity mixups because ABC appeared in a book, but the cartoon show later said XYZ, and then there's the computer game that says QRS. It'll be everyone signing from the same hymnal now, or at least that's the idea from the outset. We'll see how successful they are with it, maintaining continuity to keep the canon manageable, but I think it's doable. The only times it won't be will be in some "adaptation of the movie" videogame or novel that includes scenes you didn't see in the film to beef up the page count. But even then, they can say that "No, it's still canon. It just didn't appear on the screen."

As for people taking joy in the frustration of the EU fans, I agree that it's unnecessary and stupid tribalism. I think some of it may be due to people like, for example, Bryan or myself saying "No, seriously, do NOT get attached to this. They're going to dump it," and some EU fans (nobody here, really, mind you) responding as if they've been personally attacked and getting nasty towards the people who're saying "You can't seriously think they're gonna do this from a business perspective...right?" For folks like that, I can see where there might be a bit of satisfaction at being right.

Regardless, I can understand people's frustration. It sucks when the story takes an abrupt turn away from what you loved about it, and there's nothing you can do about it. It sucks doubly because you know there won't be anything new coming out to cater to your tastes. But I think the new stuff might actually be pretty good. Or at least it won't be awful. I'm inclined to give it the benefit of the doubt for now.
 
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Does anyone really want a movie version of a EU novel? I can hear the complaining already.

Probably not that many, but they can still acknowledge the EU, like for example in Episode II we were introduced to an EU character named Aayla Secura. Personally that was not what made Episode II "not so good" in my book.

It's so simple... if it isn't on screen, then it isn't cannon. Too bad EU fans.

*canon ;)

Mark Hamill is also in London today,......wait.....with....DARTH MAUL??????,.......well the voice of Maul

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmP-DpJIgAA9t3f.jpg

https://twitter.com/serafinowicz/status/460490925656268800/photo/1

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It's a ****ing s***hole :lol

Yaaay Darth Maul is back! :p
 
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Again, I have storage boxes in my closet filled with EU books. I read and enjoyed every single one. I read them and accepted the stories therein as a continuation of the SW universe I grew up watching. When the Clone Wars came out, I was so happy to have new SW content I had no problem with the changes in story made in that series vs. the books. That was when this canon issue really became an issue, starting with Ahsoka. I would gladly forgoe EU stories to get new stories direct from LF, that was my feeling at the time and continues to this day.
 
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I have to agree. As many fanboys that argue and truly get upset that the "canon" wasn't adhered to word for word, those that actually stop watching or go high and right over the change will be so few that Disney will not even notice. Most will accept that the characters in those books are getting old and could not continue to make trilogy after trilogy and accept the new film chapter for what it is. A few head nods to the EU will satisfy most and those that don't will be minimal at best. Even though the Prequels were hard to watch at times, most of us still watched it to see that part of the on film story.
 
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Yeah, but what's with that one with Luke in it, the whole look of it is very . . . old school looking like something out of the 80s or 90s and isn't his lightsaber a bit on the small side?

Yeh thats shocking, cancel everything NOW!!! :)
 
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Wow Luke looks great! I have also enjoyed the Eu material. Mostly to see Luke mature into what we see hinted at in ROTJ. It's going to be exciting to see where they take the character. I personally hope he got married. I mean seriously...he deserves a break lol
Plot wise I'd also enjoy seeing a resurrected Sith evil from ancient times maybe. Common theme but could be a great story. Or for something really cool...a sith academy realised and allowed to exist alongside the Jedi academy with a revise net of the law of two. Now that would be nifty. Even alliances against greater outer galaxy threats!

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Saw this on FB, he looks great, he looks like Ewan with that beard!

He does look fantastic,.....years younger

I did a search & this ones dated 2012:
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Compared to now (same photo as above....auto coloured it):
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