Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release)

Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

I saw it today, and have mixed feelings about it. I did enjoy it, and I will most likely see it at least one more time in the theater. However, I do agree with most of the "disappointments" discussed in this thread.

The score was the biggest disappointment, for me. The prequel scores were all significantly better, and I'm no prequel fan. Other than a few, well-timed inclusions of the classic themes, the rest was totally forgettable.

I also really struggle with the implications on Luke's character, but perhaps the following movies will have some really good explanation for why he would just give up and go hide.

R2, in "low power" mode, under a tarp all these years, because Luke left? Dumb. Threepio pointing out his red arm was stupid too.

What bugged me the most about Snoke was actually the "Supreme Leader" title. Maybe he'll promote himself to Emperor, once the First Order controls the galaxy. I guess the remnants of the Empire are still so vast that they have the resources to build new classes of Star Destroyers, updated gear, and a bigger Death Star than ever.

Another thing that bothered me, along the lines of how Rey is so strong with the Force despite zero training, is how she was such an amazing pilot. Likewise for Poe. The flight scenes were over-the-top compared to anything we've seen previously. I like how they treated the lightsaber duels here, but the flying is like the the over-choreographed acrobatic lightsaber fights from the prequels. It would have been much more appropriate to see Anakin flying like Poe did. Maybe Poe is super force-sensitive. Rey just must be a natural, like her grand-daddy.

I was bummed that Rey's AT-AT wreck house didn't materialize like all the concept art showed. Instead, it just turned into a little bit of shade for Rey to eat her lunch in. It was just an AT-AT wreck, laying on it's side, all boring like. Not even a good pose, and no indication of turning it into a shelter, or a hangar for her quad-engine ship.

The Starkiller base really didn't work for me, on so many levels. Sure, Star Wars has never been realistic, with it's single-biome planets and such, but this just doesn't make any sense. It's a planet, orbiting a star, but sucking off the star. The physics problems are just astronomically stupid, before you even start to think about things like how it could possibly aim. How can it even maintain an orbit, while it somehow sucks the matter away from the star it orbits? How can it pull that much energy into itself without destroying the planet?!? Big enough solar flare activity from our own sun could devastate the Earth, but this thing can somehow suck a star off all the way through it's atmosphere, to the point of diminishing the whole star? This is just silly, far beyond being essentially Death Star 3. Also, exactly how long does it take to fire a weapon at planets in other solar systems? Does the beam go through hyperspace somehow, or does it take years or centuries to get to the target planet at the speed of light?

The ending bugged me too. They should have given Luke at least one good line to end it, or maybe had him actually take the saber and look it over (mirroring Vader checking out Luke's saber in ROTJ). The helicopter shot they ended with felt totally weird.

But STILL... I'd rank it better than ROTJ and the prequels, and I feel a sense of relief that it was as good as it was. Not great, but I'll gladly take it.



ROTJ rules!
 
Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

ROTJ is the bottom of the heap! It's even worse than the prequels.
 
Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

You forget, Lawrence Kasdan who co-wrote TFA, also co-wrote Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi ...

People also forget that ESB also had work done on it by a legit sci-fi writer and accomplished screenwriter (Rio Bravo, Big Sleep, The Long Goodbye), Leigh Brackett and Kasdan also hasn't written anything of worth since Shadows of the Empire.
 
Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

I just got back from seeing the movie, and I'm sorry to say the most enjoyable moment of the night was when my wife and I were driving out of the parking lot and some guy slipped on some black ice and ate it! We laughed our butts off which temporarily lifted me out of my state of disappointment. I expected so much more than that. Im just tired of movie makers trying to out do what has been seen in the past by making it completely far fetched. Even though he was a wuss, Kylo Ren should have been able to whoop Rey.
 
Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

ROTJ is the bottom of the heap! It's even worse than the prequels.


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I just got back from seeing the movie, and I'm sorry to say the most enjoyable moment of the night was when my wife and I were driving out of the parking lot and some guy slipped on some black ice and ate it! We laughed our butts off which temporarily lifted me out of my state of disappointment. I expected so much more than that. Im just tired of movie makers trying to out do what has been seen in the past by making it completely far fetched. Even though he was a wuss, Kylo Ren should have been able to whoop Rey.


Yep....
 
Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

Oh and bye the way, my wife fell asleep 5 times!! It's definitely not an interest grabber.
 
I was supposed to post my apology for having the hated theory's of Han dying and Luke going to the dark side but as that thread is spoiler free I am doing so here first
HA Han is dead , dead, dead I knew that was the reason Harrison Ford was so happy about promoting the film he knew he was done with it . and on Luke going bad it "seems" I was wrong, but as I feared we have to wait till VIII to find out if Luke is light.

if he is they should call it Return of the half-assed Jedi.
 
Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

I have to get this out.

Okay don't attack me because this is my opinion and I am still entitled to it. Technically in America we are still allowed our opinions, kind of.

If you like that steaming pile of crap called TFA you may not like this.




That SUCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Four out of five Star Wars movies with OT cast center on destroying a Death Star. There are other plots you know.

I know, lets not have Luke in it until the very end and no dialogue. I started a Jedi Academy. I sucked at it. Unleashed hell on the Galaxy so now I will go hide like a punk.

A will dump my daughter on a crappy sand world and let her starve. Somehow she becomes a master pilot and can defeat a total bad ass "sith" who demonstrates more power than I or Vader ever could yet she defeats him never having even held a lightsaber.

My old lightsaber is the new one ring. It's "calling" to her. Good thing Gollum is in this movie.

When the going gets tough me and my buddy Han abandon everyone and go hide.

The Falcon is left to rot, open and unguarded but starts right up. Why again is a perfectly good ship left to rot. Oh yeah, also one of the fastest ships ever. Oh yeah, Rey had heard of the Falcon and the Kessel run but again, it just sat there.

Han and Chewy just happen upon the Falcon drifting in space.

A droid, with vital information ends up on a sand planet and just happens to find a stranded Skywalker looking for something more. She needs to get the droid and his secret information to resistance and find an old Jedi. It sure seems like I have seen this move before.

Snoke-Don't know. Just a silly big CGI character. We still know nothing about him.

Hux-WTF??? I thought he was not an impressive looking guy but must be an impressive actor or character. Nope.

The third Death Star is easily destroyed,...again.

Han is killed by his punk son. Really???? Wow. That was really, stupid.

I get it, it's the Cantina. There is doing little nods and then there is copying the entire movie.

Play ANH and TFA side by side. I think they run pretty much parallel.

Luke's lightsaber. Rey finds it, again because Han who coincidentally found here after BB8 coincidentally found her and Han takes her to the one place that coincidentally has Luke's lightsaber. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????????????

Oh, we found Luke. Lets send the new girl and Chewy only.

Kylo Ren. The new bad ass Sith, sorry Knight of Ren, whatever the hell that means, throws little temper tantrums and then is easily beaten by a person who has never held a saber and then tries to spare his own little punk life by tempting her to the dark side, Vader was cool, why would anyone follow Kylo Ren since he is such a weak punk.

I know I already mentioned his being beat by her as stupid but it was sooo stupid it was worth mentioning twice.

Han fires Chewy's Bowcaster for the first time ever in this movie. Really?????????????

OMG that was such a horrible, stupid movie. Why would anyone agree to finance this???

We are gonna have a third Death Star. Luke it in 30 seconds and does not speak. Han is in it a bit but is a jerk who abandons everyone and gets killed by his punk son.

Sounds great. Let's do that.


Really??????????????????




You really don't need to get mad at me. I warned you this was an I hate it review and I did not want to rain on everyone else's parade so I posted it here.



Tom


I am so depressed. That was worse than the Prequels.

Rehash issues aside,

I'm just glad some people are recognizing how JJ Wars made the OT characters into failures of epic magnitude.
Few seem to care though. If someone told me in 1983 that the future of my heroes was so s****y and out of character I'd told them they
were nuts. These are not my Luke, Han and Leia.
Failed parents, failed marriage, failed to secure post-war peace, failed Jedi, running off and hiding, turning backs on family and brothers in arms
when it matters most.

Failures of such magnitude that all the bad things that happened before are happening all over again.

I wish he had just left them alone. Done something more original farther in the future.
Oh wait it's JJ Abrams. Not gonna happen.
 
From a pacing standpoint, too many visits to holo-Andy Serkis. There were what, three or four? Two, tops.

It's frustrating when a character dies because he and the killer misunderstand each other. (Han agreeing to "help" Ben.) Flashbacks to Avon shooting Blake...
 
as for the movie I was great . can not complain except for the fight with Rey and Kylo at the end. cant figure out how she beat him so soundly without taking off at least one limb
(unless I missed something) it looked like she just scorched the heck out of him with her saber or Luke's saber or Anakin's saber or whoever gets to claim it

and I hope this now puts to rest the crazy light saber theory's I keep hearing about how hard they are to wield or you have to use the force to control or they are super heavy? I never understood that one at all. Finn was just a suck-a duck storm trooper and he could pick it up and light it up and swing it around just fine . he just did not have any skill to use it .

one other small complaint how come Kylo Ren did not go flying back when Chewie shot him with his bow-blaster everyone else fly like 10 feet . I am going with he used the force to steady himself cuz that is all I got. and of course Chewie could have shot again to finish him as Rey could have stuck the saber in his chest as he lay there and jiggled around to finish him good BUT we do need him for the next movie I suppose as I hear he is supposed to be in i.
 
For a the reminants of fallen government in exile, the First Order seems awful well funded. Where did they get all the resources for these shiny new ships and planet killers. I think it would have been much more interesting for the tables to be turned and the First Order to be a rag tag origination with beat up old TIE Fighters and rusty old Star Destroyers.
 
Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

Rehash issues aside,

I'm just glad some people are recognizing how JJ Wars made the OT characters into failures of epic magnitude.
Few seem to care though. If someone told me in 1983 that the future of my heroes was so s****y and out of character I'd told them they
were nuts. These are not my Luke, Han and Leia.
Failed parents, failed marriage, failed to secure post-war peace, failed Jedi, running off and hiding, turning backs on family and brothers in arms
when it matters most.

Failures of such magnitude that all the bad things that happened before are happening all over again.

I wish he had just left them alone. Done something more original farther in the future.
Oh wait it's JJ Abrams. Not gonna happen.

Agreed. I was not happy they were doing Ep 7 and so on because I was afraid they would screw it up but at least I got to see the old cast. Then it became obvious they were not going to be the stars of it.

Now I wish they had just gone way in the future and left the OT alone.

Tom
 
From a pacing standpoint, too many visits to holo-Andy Serkis. There were what, three or four? Two, tops.

It's frustrating when a character dies because he and the killer misunderstand each other. (Han agreeing to "help" Ben.) Flashbacks to Avon shooting Blake...


I did wonder if Han would have said something about Vader coming back to the light to save Luke if that would have made any difference as he really did seem to be wavering for a bit there and Vader seems to be his Idol .

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but we would have lost what hopefully will turn out to be a great villain.
 
Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

... Saw it for a third time in 24 hours. I actually enjoyed it the most on this go round. Haha!... Why? Acceptance begins to set in... like when you saw any of the prequels a few times....You learn to tune in for the parts you like, and tune out the rest. I also have a new favorite character, Poe/Finns jacket!!! Love it!.... What a weird movie it was.... JJ Ren really tried to be a badass, but couldn't quite completely Make the Force Awaken... Oh well, still better than all the prequels (barely) , so I give it a pass and accept that it's (gulp) now canon...

Next batter up, Rogue One
 
For a the reminants of fallen government in exile, the First Order seems awful well funded. Where did they get all the resources for these shiny new ships and planet killers. I think it would have been much more interesting for the tables to be turned and the First Order to be a rag tag origination with beat up old TIE Fighters and rusty old Star Destroyers.
I couldn't stop wondering that, myself...
 
Yeah, that is a little strange though I do find this movie asked as many questions as it answered, Maybe it'll be explained in a later movie. Perhaps Snoke has something to do with this, considering we still know nothing about him. I had a hard time determining just how long the FO had been around,
 
Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

Overall liked it...but...had three almost insurmountable issues. first wasnt even with the movie, it was with the human F-ing race in reality: I didn't go on facebook all day, didn't even watch the newest trailer, avoided all reviews. And Han's death was STILL spoiled for me no less than three times. Twice intentionally, by people who are actually trying to be horrible human beings. Once by someone who is just a clueless idiot talking in public loudly with no awareness that other humans exist on this planet.

Luke becoming a hermit had ZERO to do with losing Kylo...he became a hermit to get away from asshalves who spoil movies for fun.




on to the movie itself:

First thing we learn about Kylo is: he's really powerful. He even stops a lazer blast is mid air and holds it there while doing other things. We've never seen anyone do that before. Not even Yoda. Vader never displayed that level of cool. Neither did Luke. This Kylo dude must be special right?

Except that he gets beat by someone who not only has no training, but didn't even know the force was a thing until THAT DAY. Then he says the word "force" and she's like "Oh yeah! that stuff!" and kicks ass. Yoda and Ben totally had it all wrong. You don't need training. Training is BS. You just need something to remind them every once in a while that the force is a thing. Maybe a wrist band or something that beeps to remind you. The force is a thing! Kick ass now!


And like OP...I also had a problem with the bowcaster bit. They've been together what..40 years? You've really never seen that thing fired before? Ever? I've seen it fired before. Does Han suffer from severe Alzheimer's?

Otherwise..I did mostly like it. I like the actors playing the Rey and Finn and whatsisname the pilot. Good to see Carrie, Mark and Harrison on screen again, and Chewie. Shame no one destroyed R2 and C3PO yet. I can still hope.
 
Re: Star Wars TFA. Warning spoilers and I hate it!!! Haters and Lovers Welcome

I like you. There's a place for you in my kingdom.

I just got back from seeing the movie, and I'm sorry to say the most enjoyable moment of the night was when my wife and I were driving out of the parking lot and some guy slipped on some black ice and ate it! We laughed our butts off which temporarily lifted me out of my state of disappointment. I expected so much more than that. Im just tired of movie makers trying to out do what has been seen in the past by making it completely far fetched. Even though he was a wuss, Kylo Ren should have been able to whoop Rey.
 
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