Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release)

Not at all, Panthera. I may hate it now, because it was such a wasted opportunity to give us something really special. But I think my hate will dissipate with time, to the point where I'll merely be indifferent about the film.

And who knows, maybe it will grow on me slightly. I doubt it, but that would be nice.

The Wook


I think it may grow on you.Im an optimist. ;)Probably not to a point of liking it but being ok with it. Your angry now and once that fades your expectations for what you wanted won't be as strong. Plus a lot of answers and connections will come with the next 2.Maybe Chewie and Leia will have their moment they needed. I've had films I didn't really like but once I had sequels with them the initial movie was ok.

Ben
 
The blaster Han gives to Finn disappeared !

He had it until AFTER Maz gives Finn Luke's saber you see the strap for it around Finn shoulder when he takes the light saber then the very next scene he tells Maz that he "needs a weapon " and it is missing strap and all.
I know we see him throw down a blaster but that comes later and is a stormtrooper blaster he picks up.

Double sloppy film making as he tries to give it back to Han and han tells him to keep it.

Also that really does look like a grave stone Luke is standing over when Rey finds him . another reason I think he might have been stuck at the Jedi Temple.

Just to stir the pot.
another subtle hint about Snokes real identity when Han tells Kylo Snoke is using him Kylo says " no the supreme leader is wise" so the same theme music, wounds that would completely make sense and match the story both supposed to be ages old and the only two characters I can remember who have been referred to with the exact word WISE but I am a fool to speculate even the remote possibility that Snoke is Plagueis ??? I am a bit pregadice as the name Snoke sounds like a bad guy from the Teletubbies to me or Qubert or something.
 
You know a good faneditor will put the fanfare on there seemlessly.

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I've got a lot of good company of nuts then. :)
 
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Thank you, Vivek.

The Wook
 
But it does have to do with this film. Rey was written the way she was by people who want to advance the feminist agenda. She was written specifically TO advance the feminist agenda. But in fact, her creators unwittingly set back their cause by making her a Mary Sue, who is not believable and not relatable. If she was a flawed, sometimes naive, sometimes ignorant character, like Luke, then we could relate to Rey's struggle, and revel in her journey towards becoming the baddest-ass heroine in the galaxy.

It could've been a fantastic film--even ripping off George's original story. But they blew it.

The Wook

Two honest questions for you:

1. How many times have you watched the film at this point? Just the once, or more than once?

2. If the subsequent films show Rey's limitations, explain the source of Rey's power, and show her doubts, fears, and growth, would you still consider her a "Mary Sue"?

I ask the first question because it may simply be that you missed the attempts to show Rey's own surprise at her abilities or her confusion that not everyone has those abilities. As I've said, the best examples I can think of are where she and Finn are jubilant after flying away on the Falcon, and her reaction to figuring out how to do the mind trick.

There's also the scene where (if memory serves) she acts surprised that Finn can't speak droid, implying that she doesn't realize her own abilities are special.

Lastly, there's the final fight with Kylo Ren to consider. At the opening of the fight, Rey does get her ass handed to her. (Or, rather, she gets Force-blasted into a tree and knocked the f--- out.) Also, technically, it took four people to even neutralize -- not kill, neutralize -- Kylo Ren. It took his own internal conflict at killing his father, it took Chewie's already-demonstrated-to-be-super-powerful bowcaster shot to the gut to stagger him, it took Finn wearing him down at the start of the fight, and then finally it took Rey fighting, losing, and then somehow calling on the Force (in a way the film suggests she doesn't understand) to beat him. Not exactly a "gimme" of a win. More like a "by the skin of her teeth" to me.

However, I absolutely concede that this stuff happens so quickly that it's easily missed. In the Falcon scene, Rey and Finn just seem happy and are kind of talking over each other. In the "you don't speak droid?" scene, it goes by in an instant. In the "and leave your gun!" scene, again, it goes by quickly. And with Kylo Ren, it's all intercut with the X-wing shots and happening really rapid-fire. I think that, in this sense, the pacing of this stuff may not have allowed these moments to register for a lot of viewers, and that's certainly one of the film's big flaws (albeit and understandable one, from my perspective, if you want an under-3-hrs film).
 
:lol You guys act like I'm the lone dissenter in the world! Most of my friends hated the movie--a few loved it. And there have been plenty of members here on the RPF who also agree with me that it was a trainwreck. I'm just amazed at your intolerance. Is it really imperative everyone see things your way?

What a boring world that would be.

The Wook

AGAIN.. you don't READ what we write. It isn't that we are intolerant of the fact that you hated the film. We GET that already... (we may not understand why you hated it so much, though it's beginning to come clearer) but we aren't intolerant at all of the fact that you hated it.

What we are all expressing displeasure at is your insistence on pushing points that we feel are invalid, and rather than taking the time to read our thoughts on them and then calmly answering them, you continue pushing the same statements that garnered the disfavor in the first place.

Continuing the same course of action will get you the same result. Every time.

I'm not surprised that most of *your* friends hated it. Birds of a feather, and all that. And while I have no doubt that there are others who share your disdain for it, only you have drawn this much criticism for your view... so it can't be ALL ABOUT THE VIEW now, can it? Hmmm?

Ahhh... what's the point? This, too will fall on deaf ears, I reckon.
 
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No. Poor taste equals poor taste.

The Wook

According to whom? You, I suppose?

Just because some young bloke doesn't give a fig for Citizen Kane doesn't mean he's got poor taste... it only means that his likes and dislikes are different than yours. And given the fact that you seem to feel that if someone else's likes diverge from your own that they are utterly cracked, then I'm not at all surprised that you would come to the conclusion that Poor taste=Poor taste.

Things over here in the Real World are rarely so Black and White.
 
You may both think I'm nuts for finding hate, and love, as too strong of words for this movie.

That makes me bonkers as well, because THIS I agree with.

I might say that I love it... but when it comes to it, I suppose that *is* too strong a word.

I still don't hate it, though... nor do I dislike it. At all.
 
TFA Oscar nominations...

Visual effects
Film editing
Sound editing
Sound mixing
Original Score (John William's 50th Nomination!)
 
dont remember seeing any fancy wipes from scene to scene?

I think you definitely need another viewing. ;) Remember to watch for the wipes. They're there a-plenty.

no fanfare in the begining (no 20th century fox logo either)

Considering it's the 20th Century Fox fanfare, of course it's not going to be there. I missed it, too -- but at the same time, I liked the silence with which the Lucasfilm logo came onto the screen.

glad there wasnt a bad robot logo

Also as others have said, it was at the end. I still wish R2 or BB-8 had been in it instead of or in addition to the familiar robot.

The blaster Han gives to Finn disappeared !

He had it until AFTER Maz gives Finn Luke's saber you see the strap for it around Finn shoulder when he takes the light saber then the very next scene he tells Maz that he "needs a weapon " and it is missing strap and all.
I know we see him throw down a blaster but that comes later and is a stormtrooper blaster he picks up.

Hoom... That's an interesting point. I see it again in a week. I'll watch that sequence specifically. I know there was some Maz stuff cut -- perhaps including the underground collapse. We see Chewie throw off some rubble as they emerge. Maybe Finn lost it somewhere in that mess, and the clarification of that was lost when the (probable) scene was cut...

Also that really does look like a grave stone Luke is standing over when Rey finds him . another reason I think he might have been stuck at the Jedi Temple.

The timeline is still so up in the air. The charted journey that R2 and BB-8 have shows waypoints along the path. We don't know:

• When the academy was destroyed (if Ben did it, it can't be too long ago)
• Where Luke was at the time (he doesn't look to have been through a hard-fought battle that he lost in the vision)
• If Luke went "searching" for the first Jedi temple, how there's a chart of his journey unless it were sent back after he found it
• How long Luke has been "disappeared"
• Where Rey being dropped on Jakku is in relation to any of this
• Whether Luke had anyone with him when he left (even R2), and whether any of them died or turned/were sent back

But yes, it does look like a grave marker. We have no idea if it is, or whose, or why Luke is standing near it. Looking forward to finding out. Also, I really hope we see his venerable X-Wing stashed in a cave somewhere. I admit to having had a dream where Rey says she can at least offer him a ride off-planet, and he says that's never been an issue. He pulls a dirty tarp off good old Red 5 and she stammers in amazement that she's seen wrecked T-65's on Jakku for as long as she can remember, but never expected an intact one to be so beautiful. I can hope. ;)

[addressed to @The Wook] How many times have you watched the film at this point? Just the once, or more than once?

Per his earlier comments, he's seen it at least twice.

I ask the first question because it may simply be that you missed the attempts to show Rey's own surprise at her abilities or her confusion that not everyone has those abilities. As I've said, the best examples I can think of are where she and Finn are jubilant after flying away on the Falcon, and her reaction to figuring out how to do the mind trick.

I haven't seen you mention where Han, Chewie, and Finn catch up with Rey and Finn asks her how she escaped and she says "I have no idea -- and you wouldn't believe it!"

--Jonah
 
I haven't seen you mention where Han, Chewie, and Finn catch up with Rey and Finn asks her how she escaped and she says "I have no idea -- and you wouldn't believe it!"

--Jonah

Totally forgot about that...which rather goes to prove my point. It's easy to miss a lot of this stuff because so much is happening in this film, and at such a rapid pace.
 
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