STAR WARS Rebels new animated series!

[Mara Jade's Father]

There is no reason to think A and B Wings weren't around prior to us seeing them in ROTJ. Perhaps all they could muster for the first DS battle were X and Y Wings.

Exactly.

I always thought the old EU info of the A and B Wings being designed and built so that they we introduced prior to Return of the Jedi was unimaginative and lazy writing. You see two battles and you think every fighter craft has been seen? Ridiculous. We did not first see twi'liks till Return of the Jedi either. Does that mean someone designed the DNA and created a whole species/race between The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi? No one questioned seeing them in The Phantom Menace. Why does seeing something for the first time mean it is new? If you disagree! Then let me show you a new invention called the rotary phone.

 

[cboath]

Such an amazing episode. I loved how Vader fought with the same slow, powerful type of movement as he did in ANH, not spinning or swirling around. And I still love how they make the lightsaber blades look in this show, so classic.

Did it bother anyone else to see A-Wings this early in the SW universe? It was always my impression that B and A-wings were the newest things the Rebellion had in ROTJ.

Seems they took a lot directly from the OT - vaders movment, even the way the cape moved when he walked (more detail there than in any other characters wardrobe by far), the explosions why the blew up tie-fighers were exactly what was in ANH. You could argue as well Kanaan as a trooper and the sneaking through the base.

Loved it all!

I liked the look of vader the bad-***. Flinging people around, etc. We never really got to see that. We hoped that'd be in the prequels, but it wasn't. It was finally a taste of a guy who could wipe out all the jedi and that the galaxy would fear!

As for the A-wings...I don't think it's ever established in the movies that the a-wings were the best or higher tech than anything else. That was done in the xwing games IIRC. Novels may have continued it, but they took it from the games. Seems to me that a-wings are by far the smallest of the X, Y, B, A series ships and would much more easily carried on the ships shown in the episode.

 

[Riceball]

Regarding the militarization of the Rebels, i liked that Kanan was resistant to it, shows that he see's things changing and going in a direction he's not comfortable with. They could have just ignored it, but it's nice that they sort of addressed it.

It wasn't so much that the Rebellion is getting more militarized, it's more that he signed up for a Robin Hood like band that stole from Empire and gave to the people, what he didn't sign up for was a larger, more organized Rebellion, more military like organization. Remember, prior to the end of S1 the plucky crew of the Ghost were largely unaffiliated with the Rebellion as a whole, they really didn't know that there were others, they just thought that their little band was all there was. It's this small band, that does what they want, when they want, and didn't answer to anybody but themselves is what Kanan is used to and would prefer to stick with. He's clearly not comfortable with being part of a larger group and doing more than just the occasional small raids on and around Lothar and tweaking the nose of the Empire; he's clearly more than a little afraid of what will happen if they draw too much attention to themselves and likely prefers to fight against the Empire the way they have been, trying to instigate insurrection and exposing the evils and wrongdoings of the Empire, not getting into pitched battles. It also probably has a bit to do with the fact that he's been on his own for so long, doing things his own way, on his own time that he's uncomfortable with idea of being part of something that's more formalized, with a strict hierarchy and proper command structure, In the end, it's not about the Ghost crew getting more organized and militaristic, but about them joining a larger group that's more organized and militaristic.

 

[Riceball]

Exactly.

I always thought the old EU info of the A and B Wings being designed and built so that they we introduced prior to Return of the Jedi was unimaginative and lazy writing. You see two battles and you think every fighter craft has been seen? Ridiculous. We did not first see twi'liks till Return of the Jedi either. Does that mean someone designed the DNA and created a whole species/race between The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi? No one questioned seeing them in The Phantom Menace. Why does seeing something for the first time mean it is new? If you disagree! Then let me show you a new invention called the rotary phone.

Likewise Rancors, Tauntauns, speeder bikes, scout troopers, Ewoks, the Sarlaac pit, Boba Fett, Ughnauts, Lando, and the list goes on.

 

[0neiros]

The Command ship had it's shields damaged at the start of the episode. We're all too used to Scotty fixing things in miracle time. They may not have had to parts to get them back to 100%, so Vader comes along and POWIE!!! This would explain the need to get some more Military grade Shields for the rebels, as well as explaining the damage done by the TIE Advanced.

 

[James Kenobi 1138]

My only hick up with the episode is the same as ANH.

When Kanan dresses as a Stormtrooper where does his boots, lightsaber and shoulder armor go? And how did he have them on again after he took the armor off?

Plus I'd pay good money to see anyone get that armor on in less than 5 minutes.

 

[seelsa73]

Plus I'd pay good money to see anyone get that armor on in less than 5 minutes.

Lol, so true.

 

[MooCriket]

Well it is a cartoon you know. Still, it would be funny if the armour did not fit, or if he had to leave his own boots on and no troopers noticed. I can give them a pass on small stuff like that. Of course if it was episode 7 we were talking about, that is another matter altogether.

 

[Bryancd]

So we can all agree Ahsoka knows it's Anakin, right? Seems some people still think she doesn't know but she clearly lied to the Ghost crew.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

Yes, you kinda do. :lol

in the new canon these ships are not listed anywhere as a capital ship. For instance:
http://www.starwars.com/databank/alderaan-cruiser
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/CR90_corvette/Canon

To me, it would seem that these corvettes are not made for the purpose of military, more like a private transport with some security defense. Kind of like being in an armored limo, but not as good as a tank. I would also believe that shield generators such as the ones recently stolen by our rebels in the last episode are hard to come by.

Here is what is canon: a TIE advanced took out the shields of the Rebels Command Ship.

So with that, I would highly recommend that in the future, such ships need to acquire and install higher grade shield generators.

Granted this is the old EU: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Capital_ship , but I don't see any reason they'd change this kind of thing. Anything 100 meters long and over was a capital ship, so a corvette would fit in there. Anyway you look at it, it doesn't make sense that you'd design a corvette size ship (which I think the Rebel command ship was larger than by a little bit) that a lone fighter with lasers could take down its shields. Even a civilian commercial freighter should have enough shield power to stop a lone fighter until it could get away. I just wish they'd think a little bit more into it. They could have had Vader hyperspace in right on top of the ship and quickly target the shield generator. That would have made more sense and I wouldn't have to gripe about it online. :lol

As for the A and B-Wings, I'm just assuming they were available in very small numbers or the cells that used them weren't available for the Death Star attack.

So we can all agree Ahsoka knows it's Anakin, right? Seems some people still think she doesn't know but she clearly lied to the Ghost crew.

I'm not sure. She had a funny look there, but it could just be she sensed something familiar. Of course Vader knew exactly who she was...

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

So we can all agree Ahsoka knows it's Anakin, right? Seems some people still think she doesn't know but she clearly lied to the Ghost crew.

That's my thinking too especially the way she went into err...umm.. force shock?

 

[James Kenobi 1138]

So we can all agree Ahsoka knows it's Anakin, right? Seems some people still think she doesn't know but she clearly lied to the Ghost crew.

I disagree. I don't think she knows explicitly that it's Anakin. More of a feeling, she senses something. She could have been overcome from feeling all of his hate and anger.

I bet they eventually duel and at that point she finds out for sure, she might suspect but I personally don't think she knows for sure.

 

[theyrenotdolls]

Regarding the militarization of the Rebels, I liked that Kanan was resistant to it, shows that he see's things changing and going in a direction he's not comfortable with. They could have just ignored it, but it's nice that they sort of addressed it.

I think he was afraid of being involved in another war...he was obviously traumatized by the end of the clone wars.

 

[blewis17]

I'm betting the finale will have Vader face off with Ashoka. Very enjoyable episode overall, and I am looking forward to seeing the new inquisitors.

Although it may be cliché, I'd really like Vader to try to seduce Ashoka to the Dark Side, to join him against the Emperor. Instead of, "I am your father" make it a "I was your master" moment. Maybe a reveal, take his helmet off, promise to teach her the true power of the Force...

 

[blewis17]

We all realize that Ventress is coming back as an inquisitor, right?

 

[nwjedidave]

GREAT episode!!!
My only gripe is that since ROTS we all know Vader has no problem slicing up children along with adults.

I KNOW it would pretty much end the story telling, but Vader had numerous chances to slice those two up without even breathing heavy!! (see what I did there?)

 

[0neiros]

Go to YouTube and look up "Cat plays with it's prey".

 

[Wolfsburg]

Dave Filoni addresses that exact question in the Recon video posted a few pages back.

Thanks! I'll have to check that out.

There's still some room to maneuver, though. In Rebels, we really are in the nascent stages of the Rebellion. It's just getting started and, when that small, it would make sense to have a more cell-like structure to preserve itself. As it grows into a more military or at least paramilitary organization, you would expect it to be organized more in line with military structures, where Leia/Dodonna have command of, say, a Corps, Mon Mothma has another, and so on. They might operate independently, or they might work together for larger engagements.

Yeah, that's true. Time will tell.

Exactly.

I always thought the old EU info of the A and B Wings being designed and built so that they we introduced prior to Return of the Jedi was unimaginative and lazy writing. You see two battles and you think every fighter craft has been seen? Ridiculous.

Well I disagree. I find it very boring that they were around all this time and we just conveniently never saw them. To me it's far more interesting to see the Alliance grow ever more capable and expand, culminating in what we see in ROTJ with seemingly more advanced fighters and larger capital ships. With the introduction of A-wings and B-wings 5 years BBY, I guess in the near decade the Alliance fights the Empire, they developed or acquired no new fighters...unless one truly believes they didn't actually throw all they had at the DSII and the Imperial fleet.

 

[Jango Wes]

We all realize that Ventress is coming back as an inquisitor, right?

No, we don't.

 

[Bryancd]

We all realize that Ventress is coming back as an inquisitor, right?

Ah, no.