STAR WARS Rebels new animated series!

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

to really answer your question, I need to know a few things:

Where does it say a TIE has the exact same firepower as a TIE advanced?
Which frigate are you referring to?
What type of shield generator did that frigate have?
What type of shield generator did the rebel command ship have?

*Please answer the above questions footnoted with canon references please. If you do so, we might be able to sort this out.

You don't need any of that. Who is going to make a capital ship with weak shields that a fighter, with laser cannons, could take down? You wouldn't. That's why the fighters have torpedoes. They aren't carried to take out Death Stars. Now you could make a claim that *maybe* Vader somehow was inside the shields, if that's possible. Otherwise it doesn't make sense.

 

[astroboy]

I want obi wan on this show so badly.


Mind you, I would LOVE a stand alone obi wan film where he gets summoned from tatooine to mandalore in some deathwatch story. Bring back Ewan McGregor!!!!

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

http://imgur.com/bo3g4We

Could be that a young Princess will eventually make an appearance.

I saw that picture earlier and did not think much about it. If you watch those Rebel Recon videos, those office spaces are loaded with tons of Star Wars merchandise. I simply thought they took the picture in a room where they had the life size statues placed. But could it be a clue of a Leia appearance? Sure, why not.

We know Bail shows up occasionally, so no reason why there could not be a scene on Alderaan or at the Senate, or some other place where Leia is also present. We don't know how long Leia was a senator prior to A New Hope, so she could be one now or someone in a position to earn experience to take on the role. Besides, Leia is part of the rebellion at the time of A New Hope. She knows where the rebels base is( and was) and knows the leadership so it would be plausible that at the time of A New Hope she had around a year or more affiliation. So if not this season, I would have to believe we get to see her.

I know it is probably a possibility of .00000001% but I would love for a future Inquisitor to be Mara Jade. My daughter is really hoping that at some point the character makes it back into the canon.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

You don't need any of that. Who is going to make a capital ship with weak shields that a fighter, with laser cannons, could take down? You wouldn't. That's why the fighters have torpedoes. They aren't carried to take out Death Stars. Now you could make a claim that *maybe* Vader somehow was inside the shields, if that's possible. Otherwise it doesn't make sense.

Yes, you kinda do. :lol

in the new canon these ships are not listed anywhere as a capital ship. For instance:
http://www.starwars.com/databank/alderaan-cruiser
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/CR90_corvette/Canon

To me, it would seem that these corvettes are not made for the purpose of military, more like a private transport with some security defense. Kind of like being in an armored limo, but not as good as a tank. I would also believe that shield generators such as the ones recently stolen by our rebels in the last episode are hard to come by.

Here is what is canon: a TIE advanced took out the shields of the Rebels Command Ship.

So with that, I would highly recommend that in the future, such ships need to acquire and install higher grade shield generators.

 

[Reelo]

So with that, I would highly recommend that in the future, such ships need to acquire and install higher grade shield generators.

Higher grade as in MILITARY grade?

I see what you did there... ;-)

 

[Bryancd]

Just watched the Rebels Recon, great insight.

 

[KrangPrime]

Assuming asoka isn't 100% sure who darth is yet.. but only has an idea...
I picture this duel happening..

Darth Cornering Asoka....asoka asking who he is..... first he says 'you havn't figured it out yet, apprentice?'.....he turns off his ventilator and you hear anakin.... 'you always where a slow learner..snipps..'

 

[Kylash]

Such an amazing episode. I loved how Vader fought with the same slow, powerful type of movement as he did in ANH, not spinning or swirling around. And I still love how they make the lightsaber blades look in this show, so classic.

Did it bother anyone else to see A-Wings this early in the SW universe? It was always my impression that B and A-wings were the newest things the Rebellion had in ROTJ.

 

[Riceball]

Yes, you kinda do. :lol

in the new canon these ships are not listed anywhere as a capital ship. For instance:
http://www.starwars.com/databank/alderaan-cruiser
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/CR90_corvette/Canon

To me, it would seem that these corvettes are not made for the purpose of military, more like a private transport with some security defense. Kind of like being in an armored limo, but not as good as a tank. I would also believe that shield generators such as the ones recently stolen by our rebels in the last episode are hard to come by.

Here is what is canon: a TIE advanced took out the shields of the Rebels Command Ship.

So with that, I would highly recommend that in the future, such ships need to acquire and install higher grade shield generators.

You have something of a point, in real world military terms a corvette is definitely not a capital ship, it's not even a true warship, more like a large patrol boat akin to a Coast Guard Cutter. True warships generally start with frigates but even then I wouldn't consider them to be a capital ship or ship of the line, they're typically escort vessels used for screening larger ships like cruisers, battleships, and these days carriers. However, it's been shown that in the Star Wars universe what we call a given class of ship in the real world doesn't quite line up with what its role and capabilities are in SW. Take the Nebulon B for instance, that thing is not a very small ship, probably close to the size of a Mon Cal cruiser, in the SW universe its classified as frigate although it's more of a cruiser sized vessel with decent armament and the capability of carrying its own fighters. That's not what I'd call a frigate in the real world, that's a light cruiser, or a very heavy destroyer at the smallest.

I think that the idea of the CR90s being refitted with more powerful shields later on makes sense, the fight in where the command ship is taken out clearly illustrates the need for them to be up-shielded, something that they seem to already recognize since they were on the look out for shield generators already. The evidence that suggest that the CR90s, the Tantive IV specifically, eventually get upgraded shields is in the opening scene from ANH where we see the Tantive IV duking it out with a Star Destroyer. Obviously the shields have been improved by then because it's able to withstand several shots from the Star Destroyer before getting its shields knocked down and I'd wager that a Star Destroyer's turbo lasers pack a whole lot more firepower than Vader's TIE Advanced does.

 

[Bryancd]

Such an amazing episode. I loved how Vader fought with the same slow, powerful type of movement as he did in ANH, not spinning or swirling around. And I still love how they make the lightsaber blades look in this show, so classic.

Did it bother anyone else to see A-Wings this early in the SW universe? It was always my impression that B and A-wings were the newest things the Rebellion had in ROTJ.

There is no reason to think A and B Wings weren't around prior to us seeing them in ROTJ. Perhaps all they could muster for the first DS battle were X and Y Wings.

 

[Riceball]

There is no reason to think A and B Wings weren't around prior to us seeing them in ROTJ. Perhaps all they could muster for the first DS battle were X and Y Wings.

That's true. There's nothing to suggest, one way or the other, that A & B wings were new to the Rebellion during RotJ. There's many reasons why we didn't see them at the battle of Yavin, maybe Leia's cell there didn't have any, maybe they did and they left already, maybe they were being held in reserve elsewhere on the base. Who knows but there was never any dialogue saying that they were anything new and looking at the models, they looked up every bit as banged up as the X & Y Wings were which would suggest that they've been around a while as well.

 

[drcraig13]

Also you have to remember the rebellion is using whatever they can get there hands on. We know that the X-wings were stolen from the imperials or at least that is how the old story was. At this point they are stealing or buying surplus ships to fight with. It's not like they have a factory set up to build and supply them with ships.

 

[Wolfsburg]

Did it bother anyone else to see A-Wings this early in the SW universe? It was always my impression that B and A-wings were the newest things the Rebellion had in ROTJ.

No, it's not just you. While I guess canonically it was always open to interpretation, even ignoring what the EU said about it, I much preferred the idea that these were newer, more advanced fighters (not even needing R2 units!) and by ROTJ the Alliance had grown and was also finally gaining some technological ground on the Empire. Frankly, I also don't like the idea of all these disparate Rebel cells and think they are trying too hard to apply Earthly, real-world notions of insurgents and rebels into SW. SW is fantasy and the idea that the Rebels have one main hidden base (Yavin then Hoth, etc) is a far more romantic idea and better fitting to the spirit of SW, imo. Not realistic at all, but I was fine with that.

 

[third3ye]

Season 2 delivered as expected, really looking forward to where they take this series. The Ahsoka-Vader arc is gonna be a treat to watch, that scene during the dogfight sent chills down my spine. And Vader is a boss, taking on an entire rebel fleet by himself! Bring on Rex, Cody, and Wolffe!

 

[Solo4114]

No, it's not just you. While I guess canonically it was always open to interpretation, even ignoring what the EU said about it, I much preferred the idea that these were newer, more advanced fighters (not even needing R2 units!) and by ROTJ the Alliance had grown and was also finally gaining some technological ground on the Empire. Frankly, I also don't like the idea of all these disparate Rebel cells and think they are trying too hard to apply Earthly, real-world notions of insurgents and rebels into SW. SW is fantasy and the idea that the Rebels have one main hidden base (Yavin then Hoth, etc) is a far more romantic idea and better fitting to the spirit of SW, imo. Not realistic at all, but I was fine with that.

There's still some room to maneuver, though. In Rebels, we really are in the nascent stages of the Rebellion. It's just getting started and, when that small, it would make sense to have a more cell-like structure to preserve itself. As it grows into a more military or at least paramilitary organization, you would expect it to be organized more in line with military structures, where Leia/Dodonna have command of, say, a Corps, Mon Mothma has another, and so on. They might operate independently, or they might work together for larger engagements.

 

[astroboy]

I have always felt that the empire controls production of all military vehicles in the galaxy. Which means that rebel vehicles are probably older repurposed imperial vehicles. Which would make sense.

Except that the design of the rebel ships are nothing like the imperial ships.

So here's my new theory:

Rebel fighters are simply civilian ships that get retrofitted with weapons.

That makes so much sense to me. It also means that the empire has less control over their production

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[Jaitea]

No, it's not just you. While I guess canonically it was always open to interpretation, even ignoring what the EU said about it, I much preferred the idea that these were newer, more advanced fighters (not even needing R2 units!) and by ROTJ the Alliance had grown and was also finally gaining some technological ground on the Empire. Frankly, I also don't like the idea of all these disparate Rebel cells and think they are trying too hard to apply Earthly, real-world notions of insurgents and rebels into SW. SW is fantasy and the idea that the Rebels have one main hidden base (Yavin then Hoth, etc) is a far more romantic idea and better fitting to the spirit of SW, imo. Not realistic at all, but I was fine with that.

I have no problem with it,....the design of the A-Wing looks evolved from the ROTS V-Wing:

J

 

[Solo4114]

I have no problem with it,....the design of the A-Wing looks evolved from the ROTS V-Wing:
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080121191608/starwars/images/a/ae/Vwing_ICS.jpg

J

And also the two Jedi interceptors that we see in the PT.

The B-wing is the tougher one.

 

[Bryancd]

Frankly, I also don't like the idea of all these disparate Rebel cells and think they are trying too hard to apply Earthly, real-world notions of insurgents and rebels into SW. SW is fantasy and the idea that the Rebels have one main hidden base (Yavin then Hoth, etc) is a far more romantic idea and better fitting to the spirit of SW, imo. Not realistic at all, but I was fine with that.

Dave Filoni addresses that exact question in the Recon video posted a few pages back.

 

[Kylash]

Regarding the militarization of the Rebels, I liked that Kanan was resistant to it, shows that he see's things changing and going in a direction he's not comfortable with. They could have just ignored it, but it's nice that they sort of addressed it.

Spoiler

Also, wasn't it kind of an odd stylistic choice to NOT show the Emperor, even in hologram form? They went out of their way to hide it from view.