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All that matters is that Dooku was once a Jedi and a student of Yoda's but now he's not, end of story; anything more would be superfluous and only serve to slow the pacing of the movie down with useless information.

Like that scene where Palpatine talks about Darth Plagueis, a character who we never see or meet? They could have just gone with the trailer exchange and say the dark side of the force saves lives. Why talk about Darth Plagueis at all if the whole point is that the dark side will save Padme? Do we ever hear about Darth Plagueis again in the movies, or any other information that would make that conversation relevant? No. For arguing that Yoda is a side character and not the story teller, Palpatine sure does a lot of story telling for a side character himself. Only the difference here is that talking about Dooku is more relevant to Anakin's story since Dooku was a very promising Jedi who betrayed the order and went down his own dark path. Since everyone believed that the Sith were gone and it would be impossible for them to return, Dooku becoming a Sith should have been seen as a wake up call to everyone that any Jedi can become tempted, even the ones who hold so much promise. But instead of delving into any important details like that, we instead spend time talking about a character who isn't even in the movies and was actually replaced with a freaking half alien half robot contraption who's more useless than the ice cream guy in ESB.

And don't discount the Jedi order either because it plays an important part in how it shapes our main character known as Anakin. The movies spend a lot of time telling us what the Jedi can and cannot do, and it's the least good sounding thing in the whole series. You're not supposed to love someone, you're not supposed to feel attached to anything or anyone and you're not supposed to worry about the well being of others. You have visions that someone might die? Let them die. Death is a natural part of life, so why worry? Be happy that they had a chance to die and become one with the force. Let go of everything you fear to lose. Because if you start to worry even for a second, you'll become the single most worst thing in the whole galaxy. As Yoda says even in ESB,

Yoda: Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny.​

That's what the Jedi teaches Anakin and that is what Yoda and Obi-Wan preach. The Jedi order is a freaking Dogma. They see their way as though it was the absolute truth and there are no other alternatives and no compromises. And this is the order that we're all too happy to see coming back?
 
Like that scene where Palpatine talks about Darth Plagueis...
...They see their way as though it was the absolute truth and there are no other alternatives and no compromises. And this is the order that we're all too happy to see coming back?

A supporting character in a story does not need to have a large role or even be present to be important to the story. Although for Anakin, this story is being used to help sway him to considering why there are benefits to the Sith and why the Jedi are wrong. But this story is also important for the audience because we get some great insight. This story is about Palpatine and his master and we now realize just that Darth Plaguis is the reason Anakin was conceived. How can you consider the creator of Anakin... the story the entire Star Wars saga is focused on as not important. No Plaguis equals no Anakin/Vader. I think that character deserves a name.

And I guess I need to repeat a post from last week. The Jedi order we see in the PT is not representative of what the Jedi Order had been. We are given insight in the movies that the Jedi are loosing their control of the Force and that arrogance in Padawans is becoming more common. These are among the many reasons why there needs to be balance back to the force. Because what was a great Order is now corrupted. Maybe because they are too political, maybe because they are too conceded, maybe because of the way they bring in and train Jedi, maybe other reasons as well. But Luke is not like that, his training did not dominate his life growing up. And even when two Jedi masters told him Vader was a lost cause, he rejected the idea and went with his own feelings/instincts. It's reasons like this that with Luke leading the way, he can restart the Jedi Order in a new and more enlightened way.

I think "if" the rumors are true about Episode VII and one of the characters is Luke's son, then we at least know that the Jedi are not being made to reject relationship. That's a big difference from the Jedi Order we know in the PT.
 
The PT were basically the Fall of Rome, it didn't happen over night and it was the fall of not just the roman government but the citizens (or in this case the jedi). The PT jedi had become complacent and probably more than a little power hungry at times. They're not the shining beacon in the universe that Obi Wan talks about in the original trilogy, he was telling luke about the old old order which is the values he and his master had tried to uphold despite everything crashing down around their ears. Having the jedi mentioned or a jedi on the show every once in a while wouldn't be bad but they don't need to be the focus.
 
It should also be noted that Darth Plageius mention in ROTS was really nothing more than a narrative effort by GL to flesh out how the Sith operate and two illustrate their rule of two paradigm he established in the prequels. It's not superfluous, it's efficient storytelling .
 
The Jedi order we see in the PT is not representative of what the Jedi Order had been. We are given insight in the movies that the Jedi are loosing their control of the Force and that arrogance in Padawans is becoming more common. These are among the many reasons why there needs to be balance back to the force. Because what was a great Order is now corrupted.

Except that Obi-Wan openly states that the whole "Balance of the Force" business means destroying the Sith.

Mace Windu: I don't trust him.
Obi-Wan Kenobi: With all due respect, Master, is he not the Chosen One? Is he not to destroy the Sith and bring balance to the Force?
Mace Windu: So the prophecy says.

Now you could bring up Yoda's line "A prophecy that misread could have been", but what kind of reference is he basing this off of? We never see or hear the actual prophecy or learn where it came from. Heck, we don't even know how the Jedi even knew about the prophecy to begin with. The fact that Episode III establishes that it has something to do with defeating the Sith kind of makes it a retcon when you bring Episode One into the mix. If restoring balance to the Force means destroying the Sith, why do none of the Jedi put the pieces together?

Force is not balanced? √
Sith have returned? √
Kid might be the chosen one? √

So you're telling me that the Jedi believe in a prophecy about a chosen one who defeats the Sith and brings balance to the force, yet do not believe the Sith could ever come back? It's a total contradiction. That's like saying that you believe the Gorn God will one day come to Earth and deliver us all to lizard heaven, but also think it's such an impossibility that you'd be foolish to believe in it.
 
Except that Obi-Wan openly states that the whole "Balance of the Force" business means destroying the Sith...

...So you're telling me that the Jedi believe in a prophecy about a chosen one who defeats the Sith and brings balance to the force, yet do not believe the Sith could ever come back? It's a total contradiction. That's like saying that you believe the Gorn God will one day come to Earth and deliver us all to lizard heaven, but also think it's such an impossibility that you'd be foolish to believe in it.

Did you not see Return of the Jedi? Anakin did indeed destroy the Sith. So if your belief is that is what the prophecy said, then prophecy fulfilled. However, i believe there is more to it. I'll explain as I go on...

All you are stating really just supports my argument. You are just not putting the pieces in place. First of all, you need to understand that the Jedi at this point have problems. Therefore a lot of how they think and what they understand is flawed. They deny the existence of the Sith because as I said, they have become arrogant but also that they have been losing their control of the Force, but they are not aware of their arrogance, the beginning of their lessen control of the force, or that the Sith have returned.

Mace Windu: The boy has exceptional skills.
Obi-Wan: But he still has much to learn, Master. His abilities have made him... well arrogant.
Yoda: Yes. Yes. A flaw more and more common among Jedi. Too sure of themselves they are. Even the older, more experienced ones.

So at the time of TPM, the Jedi do not believe the Sith has returned so why would they believe that Anakin is the chosen one. I believe that fact that they deny training at first supports this. It is not until after the confrontation with Maul on Naboo, they accept the Sith is real. This most likely played a large part of why the Jedi allowed Anakin to start training to be a jedi. So yes, they believed in the prophecy, they just did not think that it was time or even that it would come in their lifetimes. It was not till ten years during AOTC (or some time shortly before that) after they acknowledge the return of the Sith that they understand that they are loosing their control of the Force.

Mace Windu: I think it is time we inform the senate that our ability to use the force has diminished.
Yoda: Only a Dark Lord of the Sith knows of our weakness. If informed the senate is, multiply our adversaries will.

I would also have to believe not all Jedi believed that Anakin was the "Chosen One". Obi did because he believed in Qui Gon. I get the feeling from Yoda's line about "misreading" that there he accepts the fact that what the Jedi believe is not as straight forward. It leaves questions to Yoda if Anakin is the "Chosen One" and/or like you said, it was misread. From what I always took away from the movie and this line is that bringing balance to the Force interpreted by the Jedi (and remember, they are arrogant and conceded). They accepted this as Victory for the Jedi and Defeat for the Sith.
 
Did you not see Return of the Jedi?

Yes I did. And my conclusions are that I think it works better without the prophecy element, just as it worked better without Vader saying "No. NOOO!" and splicing Hayden's head over the original actor's body. Maybe it's because I like how the original films worked without the prequel trilogy, or that I enjoy stories when things develop on their own instead of being foretold beforehand thus removing the element of choice. Or maybe it's because the prophecy itself doesn't really add anything to the story at all. If you removed all traces of "medichlorians", the exchange about Anakin not having a father, or talk of the prophecy, you'll still end up with the same story. And the fact that the prophecy isn't mentioned in the original trilogy would probably help the prequel trilogy feel less out of place.
 
Yes I did. And my conclusions are that I think it works better without the prophecy element, just as it worked better without Vader saying "No. NOOO!" and splicing Hayden's head over the original actor's body. Maybe it's because I like how the original films worked without the prequel trilogy, or that I enjoy stories when things develop on their own instead of being foretold beforehand thus removing the element of choice. Or maybe it's because the prophecy itself doesn't really add anything to the story at all. If you removed all traces of "medichlorians", the exchange about Anakin not having a father, or talk of the prophecy, you'll still end up with the same story. And the fact that the prophecy isn't mentioned in the original trilogy would probably help the prequel trilogy feel less out of place.

The story is the story. It's like telling the story of Christopher Columbus and say, "Okay, I like the Nina and the Pinta, but let's not include the Santa Maria," or "Hey, let me tell you the story of the Two Little Pigs." Or "Let me tell to about Captain Kirk and note that Tribbles don't exist when I tell it to you."

The point is that the prequel story is pretty solid as the Anakin mythology. Do you like the story? Well, I guess you don't. Well okay, but don't say things don't make sense for the purpose of extending your hatred of the PT or because you dislike the PT so much, or maybe you never really took the time to contemplate what more the movie was trying to express.

I too like the OT more than the PT. My issues with the PT is not the story but how the story is told to us (Big fan of GL just not of his dialog and directing but I'll gladly take the bad because his good stuff is just so good). Rather than letting that hinder me from my love of Star Wars, I focus on what the PT has to offer about that universe.
 
The story is the story. It's like telling the story of Christopher Columbus and say, "Okay, I like the Nina and the Pinta, but let's not include the Santa Maria," or "Hey, let me tell you the story of the Two Little Pigs." Or "Let me tell to about Captain Kirk and note that Tribbles don't exist when I tell it to you."

The point is that the prequel story is pretty solid as the Anakin mythology. Do you like the story? Well, I guess you don't. Well okay, but don't say things don't make sense for the purpose of extending your hatred of the PT or because you dislike the PT so much, or maybe you never really took the time to contemplate what more the movie was trying to express.

I too like the OT more than the PT. My issues with the PT is not the story but how the story is told to us (Big fan of GL just not of his dialog and directing but I'll gladly take the bad because his good stuff is just so good). Rather than letting that hinder me from my love of Star Wars, I focus on what the PT has to offer about that universe.

Nicely put. :)
 
The essence of the story remains.

No it isn't. Not if you change the main characters from Luke to Anakin. The essence of the original trilogy was all told through the journey of Luke. What he didn't know, we didn't know. What he experienced, we experienced. Who were these Jedi? I don't know, but they sure sound like they were really good guys and the bad guys wanted them dead so badly that without the Jedi, the galaxy is in their complete control. And this Darth Vader guy? Obi-Wan said he murdered Luke's father! And these storm troopers? The Empire must be drafting the lowest of the low just to have these massive numbers. This is the kind of essence that gets you involved, but when you know more about what's going on than the character does, it becomes less of a journey and more of a waiting game for Luke to do something with the main character. If you start with the prequels, everything that Luke learns is stuff we already know, and that's not a good way of involving the audience.
 
No it isn't. Not if you change the main characters from Luke to Anakin...
...If you start with the prequels, everything that Luke learns is stuff we already know, and that's not a good way of involving the audience.

Dude... you are just babbling now. :facepalm
 
That was a pretty cool video, I like that it's going to deal with the beginnings of the Rebellion and hos the Alliance came to be. After seeing who the show runner is I really have high hopes for this show now, any show being run by someone who worked on both Gargoyles & Young Justice can't be half bad.

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Here are some descriptions of some Summer 2014 Lego sets coming out. The description includes some character names.

LEGO Star Wars Summer 2014 Set Details | Groove Bricks

Phantom (75048) – 234 pieces
Take on evil Imperial forces in The Phantom with opening cockpit, 2-way spring-loaded shooter, rear cargo compartment and more.

Fly The Phantom into battle against the evil Empire!

Join the Rebel resistance against the evil Empire in The Phantom attack shuttle, as seen in the exciting Star Wars: Rebels animated TV series! Place young Rebel hero Ezra Bridger in the detachable cockpit and store his cadet helmet and blaster in the carg Fly The Phantom into battle against the evil Empire!

and

The Ghost (75053) – 929 pieces
Pilot The Ghost with 2 cockpits, 360-degree rotating gun turret, spring-loaded shooters, detachable escape pods, Holocron and more.

Join the Rebel heroes aboard The Ghost!

Get ready to battle the Empire with the Rebel heroes’ awesome starship – The Ghost – as seen in the thrilling Star Wars: Rebels animated TV series! Stay on course with Rebel minifigures in the two cockpits and put Zeb on patrol in the 360-degree rotating Join the Rebel heroes aboard The Ghost!
 
'Star Wars Rebels' action photo: Stormtroopers are back | Inside TV | EW.com

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