STAR WARS Rebels new animated series!

[gizmo]

I'm loving this art work.Very propaganda ish.Only the inquisitor has me a little worried. But not much


Ben

 

[acesh007]

Im also interested in seeing how this series goes. The Clone Wars animation came a long way but seemed as the story line dumbed done quite a bit in the middle of Season 4 and 5. I know they are trying to grab a new generation, so it will be interesting to see how the show is.

 

[Pwrsrce]

I'm loving the fact that they are resurrecting some of the early McQuarrie artwork for this show...Based on the overall look and feel, I can already tell I will enjoy it more that Clone Wars. (which wasn't horrible, but just didn't really do it for me)

But I've got a big issue with this Inquisitor guy...Why the heck wouldn't that be Vader? Just let Vader be the baddie again for the love of God...Which brings me to another "soapbox" issue of mine that is geared more towards the overall Star Wars universe...I'm tired of seeing Jedi and Sith...There, I said it.

I would LOVE to see a Star Wars film/tv show/whatever that deals with this universe without one Jedi, Sith, Force User, or lightsaber...None...The universe is so vast, with all kinds of criminal underworld activity, that there are TONS of ways one could tell amazing stories without ever having some secret force-using sith apprentice that's never been seen, heard of, or properly set up in any fashion leading the charge. It makes no sense whatsoever...We were told "always two there are, a master and apprentice"...But by the end of the prequels we had seen Palpatine, Anakin, Dooku, Darth Maul, a half robot Darth Maul, That weird bald Ventriss chick, and who knows how many more Dark Siders using the force at any given time...What's that about?!?

I still contend that the biggest failure of the prequels was the lack of a "Han Solo" type of everyman for the viewers to relate to...All we got is Jedi's, Sith, too many sabers, and a lot of boring...And I'm saying that as someone that didn't hate the prequels. I kinda enjoyed them. But all the Jedi/Sith stuff just wore me out. Other than all of that, I'm thrilled about Rebels, and Episode VII...

Ok...Off the soapbox...I feel better now.

Jason

 

[Solo4114]

I'm loving the fact that they are resurrecting some of the early McQuarrie artwork for this show...Based on the overall look and feel, I can already tell I will enjoy it more that Clone Wars. (which wasn't horrible, but just didn't really do it for me)

But I've got a big issue with this Inquisitor guy...Why the heck wouldn't that be Vader? Just let Vader be the baddie again for the love of God...Which brings me to another "soapbox" issue of mine that is geared more towards the overall Star Wars universe...I'm tired of seeing Jedi and Sith...There, I said it.

I would LOVE to see a Star Wars film/tv show/whatever that deals with this universe without one Jedi, Sith, Force User, or lightsaber...None...The universe is so vast, with all kinds of criminal underworld activity, that there are TONS of ways one could tell amazing stories without ever having some secret force-using sith apprentice that's never been seen, heard of, or properly set up in any fashion leading the charge. It makes no sense whatsoever...We were told "always two there are, a master and apprentice"...But by the end of the prequels we had seen Palpatine, Anakin, Dooku, Darth Maul, a half robot Darth Maul, That weird bald Ventriss chick, and who knows how many more Dark Siders using the force at any given time...What's that about?!?

I still contend that the biggest failure of the prequels was the lack of a "Han Solo" type of everyman for the viewers to relate to...All we got is Jedi's, Sith, too many sabers, and a lot of boring...And I'm saying that as someone that didn't hate the prequels. I kinda enjoyed them. But all the Jedi/Sith stuff just wore me out. Other than all of that, I'm thrilled about Rebels, and Episode VII...

Ok...Off the soapbox...I feel better now.

Jason

Yup.

The Jedi/Sith thing is, for me, totally played out, and actually helps keep Star Wars feeling very, very small. HUNTING Jedi, I get. Having a guy or a group of guys who do this as "Inquisitors," I get. Making them Sith/Force Users, I do NOT get.

 

[Riceball]

Yup.

The Jedi/Sith thing is, for me, totally played out, and actually helps keep Star Wars feeling very, very small. HUNTING Jedi, I get. Having a guy or a group of guys who do this as "Inquisitors," I get. Making them Sith/Force Users, I do NOT get.

Ditto. In fact, I'd argue that it would be much more interesting if they made the Inquisitor or a group of Inquisitors non-Force users, have him/them be Imperials either a "true believer" or just someone looking to make a name for themselves and as a stepping stone to higher rank and power within the Empire. The one thing we never really got see in any of the movies was any real insight into the Imperial military and we never had a really fleshed out Imperial officer character, this would be a great opportunity to rectify that, perhaps showcase Tarkin, make him & Vader the head of the Jedi hunt which would help show why he was so comfortable around Vader in ANH and, in part, to show how he became a Grand Moff and eventual commander of the first Death Star.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

Ditto. In fact, I'd argue that it would be much more interesting if they made the Inquisitor or a group of Inquisitors non-Force users, have him/them be Imperials either a "true believer" or just someone looking to make a name for themselves and as a stepping stone to higher rank and power within the Empire. The one thing we never really got see in any of the movies was any real insight into the Imperial military and we never had a really fleshed out Imperial officer character, this would be a great opportunity to rectify that, perhaps showcase Tarkin, make him & Vader the head of the Jedi hunt which would help show why he was so comfortable around Vader in ANH and, in part, to show how he became a Grand Moff and eventual commander of the first Death Star.

Ditto your ditto (that sounds kind of dirty). I also would have preferred that at 14 years later, that any Jedi were dead or so deep into hiding, they were not going to emerge and the Empire did not even consider it a mission to focus on.

My only thought is that the Inquisitor is going to be a threat to Vader, possibly being groomed for a replacement to Vader. This would create conflict for stories on the side of the Empire, not just with the rebels. I wonder is we will hear the term... The Emperor's Hand.

 

[Solo4114]

Ditto your ditto (that sounds kind of dirty). I also would have preferred that at 14 years later, that any Jedi were dead or so deep into hiding, they were not going to emerge and the Empire did not even consider it a mission to focus on.

My only thought is that the Inquisitor is going to be a threat to Vader, possibly being groomed for a replacement to Vader. This would create conflict for stories on the side of the Empire, not just with the rebels. I wonder is we will hear the term... The Emperor's Hand.

I, too, would've figured the Jedi would be largely dead. But the Inquisitor could also be looking for rebels or signs of rebellion.

As for the Emperor's Hand...I dunno...

 

[cboath]

And that sir is the exact reason why I have not read a Trek novel or comic for over 20 years.

My theory is that LFL just figured they were done with their part in the story telling and figured the movie money isn't going to come in but there is still money in marketing. I think I've read things like that when they were asked about possibility of new movies. They always said, something like No, we are content with letting the books and comics carry on. It was a half-ass blessing.

So here we are years later and there are going to be new movies and I have a strong suspicion that the EU is going to get stepped on hard. So now these pour souls who paid good money reading the books and comics and thought they were filling in the gaps are finding out that it's now bantha poodoo.

I'm interested to see what happens with books in the future and what happens to existing books. Will they just be swept into a alternate reality pile with Splinter's of the Mind's Eye? Will they still try and tell fans that books still lame level canon (or in other words, **** on your leg and tell you its raining).

It was a half assed blessing, but the total comment was something to the effect of we have no plans to do further movies, however, if we decide to do them, we are not beholden to whatever novels have been written in any way.

You're right in that that it was a little money is bette than no money was the concept here and that there were no plans at all to do no movies of any type at that point. They did cover themselves on the prospect of new movies by telling the writers and reads - before any book was written - that should their be sequels, they were likely going to ignore the books.

I could understand people's anger more if they had said that any subsequent movies would totally embrace the novels then went back on their word, but they said pretty straight forward at the time that wasn't going to be the case should there be new films.

 

[seelsa73]

They keep using Jedi/Sith/Force-users because that's what makes Star Wars Star Wars. If you take that away, you turn it into just another sci-fi story; you may as well just call it Firefly. That said, I would absolutely watch a Star Wars show/movie that didn't have them in it and love every minute of it. I love the space fantasy genre.

 

[Solo4114]

They keep using Jedi/Sith/Force-users because that's what makes Star Wars Star Wars. If you take that away, you turn it into just another sci-fi story; you may as well just call it Firefly. That said, I would absolutely watch a Star Wars show/movie that didn't have them in it and love every minute of it. I love the space fantasy genre.

Rubbish. Star Wars is more than just that. That's one ASPECT of the universe, but there's far, far more to it than that. You have the Empire, the Rebellion, all the vehicles, the whole universe of smugglers, bounty hunters, crime lords, all the stuff that made all of that hum in the background of the films.

You can do all of that without Jedi or Sith. You can do it EASILY. Some people may PREFER there to be Jedi forever whacking sabres at Sith, but that doesn't mean that's all there is to Star Wars that makes it distinctive. Not by a longshot.

 

[Laspector]

If this show is going to take place in the time period that they say it is, I think there should be no Jedi. If there are, then it kind of undermines the whole story of the OT. During episode 4 the Jedi have been gone for almost 20 years. Few people remember them and the Force is something most people don't even believe in (or have never even heard of ie Luke). The whole point of the entire trilogy was the RETURN of the Jedi. If they are everywhere in this series, boucing lightsabers off the walls and whatnot, where is the period that they "return" from?

 

[gonk27]

Rubbish. Star Wars is more than just that. That's one ASPECT of the universe, but there's far, far more to it than that. You have the Empire, the Rebellion, all the vehicles, the whole universe of smugglers, bounty hunters, crime lords, all the stuff that made all of that hum in the background of the films.

You can do all of that without Jedi or Sith. You can do it EASILY. Some people may PREFER there to be Jedi forever whacking sabres at Sith, but that doesn't mean that's all there is to Star Wars that makes it distinctive. Not by a longshot.

'The Force' is a pretty major aspect though.. Without the Force and his lightsabre Vader's just some guy in a cool suit.

Could you make a good film without the Jedi or Sith? maybe, but lightsabres and mystical energy fields have been defining characteristics for Star Wars over 30 or so years. Mystical Energy Fields don't just fade away so I'd expect the Force will still be there in the sequel trilogy.

You can perhaps do without Sith, the Jedi were the galactic police force after all and there could be any number of other enemies for them to deal with. The stand-alones can go where they want (fine by me), but I want Episodes 7, 8, and 9 at least to look and feel like true STAR WARS films, continuing on from the OT not Star Wars themed spin-offs

 

[gonk27]

If this show is going to take place in the time period that they say it is, I think there should be no Jedi. If there are, then it kind of undermines the whole story of the OT. During episode 4 the Jedi have been gone for almost 20 years. Few people remember them and the Force is something most people don't even believe in (or have never even heard of ie Luke). The whole point of the entire trilogy was the RETURN of the Jedi. If they are everywhere in this series, boucing lightsabers off the walls and whatnot, where is the period that they "return" from?

.. the Jedi returned with Luke in Return of the Jedi and he tells Leia that in time she's lean to use the Force as well. To have the Jedi vanish again 30 years later, (particularly as they were wiped out once before) doesn't give them much credibility!

 

[Solo4114]

'The Force' is a pretty major aspect though.. Without the Force and his lightsabre Vader's just some guy in a cool suit.

Could you make a good film without the Jedi or Sith? maybe, but lightsabres and mystical energy fields have been defining characteristics for Star Wars over 30 or so years. Mystical Energy Fields don't just fade away so I'd expect the Force will still be there in the sequel trilogy.

You can perhaps do without Sith, the Jedi were the galactic police force after all and there could be any number of other enemies for them to deal with. The stand-alones can go where they want (fine by me), but I want Episodes 7, 8, and 9 at least to look and feel like true STAR WARS films, continuing on from the OT not Star Wars themed spin-offs

This is a thread about Rebels, not about the sequel films. I agree that I'd expect to see Jedi in the sequels (not Sith, though). But in Rebels, the Jedi are supposed to be dead, there are only two Sith, and there's a whole universe of people waiting to fight back against the empire. We don't need yet more Jedi involved in that.

And merely because The Force is a major factor in the films doesn't mean there isn't more to be told that's wholly unrelated to it. You know what? A smuggler and his wookiee copilot played a pretty large role in the films, too, but they've been given short shrift. Same with the brave pilots and soldiers who fought for the Rebellion. Anyoen care about them? Nah. They're boring, right? No glowbats or superpowers.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

If this show is going to take place in the time period that they say it is, I think there should be no Jedi. If there are, then it kind of undermines the whole story of the OT. During episode 4 the Jedi have been gone for almost 20 years. Few people remember them and the Force is something most people don't even believe in (or have never even heard of ie Luke). The whole point of the entire trilogy was the RETURN of the Jedi. If they are everywhere in this series, boucing lightsabers off the walls and whatnot, where is the period that they "return" from?

I pretty much agree with all of that. I think the Jedi survived a little longer making attempts to regroup the survivors make counter attacks, along with loners doing what they can before eventually killed. But I would have figured 4-7 years after ROTS, not ongoing to 14 years later as they have seemed to led up to believe in the series reports.

As you mentioned, people have forgot about the Force or at least don't believe in it as Han stated. I got to figure that the Emperor made every attempt to rewrite the history of the Jedi and and eliminate and discredit anything about jedi, the sith, and the force to the point where the general public believes that the Jedi were a cult following that pretended to have power. At least that's the way I see it.

 

[Riceball]

I agree with the idea of no Jedi, however, I wouldn't say that the Force was completely forgotten. Remember, the phrase "May the Force be with you" was used by the Rebels at least once during ANH and I think again in Empire and probably Jedi too. So it's not completely forgotten, at least not by some of the powers that be within the Rebellion.

 

[Jeyl]

.. the Jedi returned with Luke in Return of the Jedi

Why is that a good thing? Aren't the Jedi AND Sith being gone supposed to be the best thing to happen in this galaxy?

 

[Riceball]

Why is that a good thing? Aren't the Jedi AND Sith being gone supposed to be the best thing to happen in this galaxy?

No, because the Sith were never gone and with the Jedi being largely gone you had the Empire and its reign of tryanny, so how was that a good thing?

 

[cayman shen]

No, because the Sith were never gone and with the Jedi being largely gone you had the Empire and its reign of tryanny, so how was that a good thing?

Benevolent tyranny is still tyranny, and with an unelected religious group of supermen acting as police, I'd argue that those in the Old Republic definitely lived in a gilded cage.

 

[Jeyl]

No, because the Sith were never gone and with the Jedi being largely gone you had the Empire and its reign of tryanny, so how was that a good thing?

You don't think the Jedi were a bit tyrannical in their beliefs? They practically mind control people to do their bidding and jokingly call them "weak minded". And let's not forget the big issue if the Jedi come back, which will involve taking children at an age where they don't understand the consequences of making a life-long commitment to a system that forbids natural emotions. EVERYTHING the Jedi preach always stems from a reasoning that "_______ is a path to the Dark Side". Love is a path to the dark side, attachment is a path to the dark side, fear of deaht is a path to the dark side, eagerness is a path to the dark side, ect. The galaxy is better off now that this is coming back?