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I guess it seems silly to call the organization Sith then. Why not have a Sith King and Prince as the "two"? Or whatever you want to call them. I mean, having only two Sith is like having only a Secretary of Defense and a general, and saying that's the whole military, and calling every other soldier "a militarily adept weapon user" or something. I get the whole Master/apprentice for top slot, sure, but there are NO other levels of training? Kinda dumb. But as I've always said, Lucas makes people generals because they have good hearts, so clearly he doesn't give a lot of thought to hierarchy. Seriously, what exactly is the legal status of Jedi again?! They're not elected, kinda sorta answerable to an elected body, but not really...ugh Lucas. Just...ugh.

To sum up: if it's gots a red saber, it's a Sith or a Sith in training in my book! "Dark Jedi" is just splitting hairs.
 
Honestly, I thought the rule of two was taken too literally by fans and other authors. I understand the symbiotic relationship of the master/apprentice and that the master will always have an apprentice and never more than one. But as far as them being the only two in the galaxy, that does not make sense. How do you stop infighting by setting a rule that only two exist. The Sith by nature are power hungry so are you telling me a being that is not one of the two is just going to sit back and let those guys have it all?

I think the statement by Yoda of the Sith always being two, no more, no less was meant as that if there was one, there had to be another. I would further speculate that they did not go on to assume there were other sith duos in existence because the Jedi as they existed at that point are flawed and quite egotistical. They told Qui Gonn that the Sith could not have returned without the council knowing about it. But they know they knew they were wrong but probably still too egotistical to believe more duos existed.

I still don't think a Sith duo would get along with another Sith duo. It would be like two mob families. They probably only believe that the dark side is only big enough for one faction. But it would be hard to keep other duos from existing in a big galaxy.
 
Honestly, I thought the rule of two was taken too literally by fans and other authors. I understand the symbiotic relationship of the master/apprentice and that the master will always have an apprentice and never more than one. But as far as them being the only two in the galaxy, that does not make sense. How do you stop infighting by setting a rule that only two exist. The Sith by nature are power hungry so are you telling me a being that is not one of the two is just going to sit back and let those guys have it all?

I think the statement by Yoda of the Sith always being two, no more, no less was meant as that if there was one, there had to be another. I would further speculate that they did not go on to assume there were other sith duos in existence because the Jedi as they existed at that point are flawed and quite egotistical. They told Qui Gonn that the Sith could not have returned without the council knowing about it. But they know they knew they were wrong but probably still too egotistical to believe more duos existed.

I still don't think a Sith duo would get along with another Sith duo. It would be like two mob families. They probably only believe that the dark side is only big enough for one faction. But it would be hard to keep other duos from existing in a big galaxy.

I like the mob analogy. But even the lower level dudes with no hope of being dons are still "in the mob" or "Mafia." We don't say that there's two mobsters and their enforcers. They're all different levels of the same organization. I agree, fans and authors probably did take the whole rule of two too literally. And...Yoda can be wrong.
 
I like the mob analogy. But even the lower level dudes with no hope of being dons are still "in the mob" or "Mafia." We don't say that there's two mobsters and their enforcers. They're all different levels of the same organization. I agree, fans and authors probably did take the whole rule of two too literally. And...Yoda can be wrong.

But I guess that is the nature of the Sith. Darth Sidious and Tyranus were Sith and they had their minions but they probably most did not know they were working for Sith. They had both the Republic and their forces and the Federation and their forces, not to mention the Jedi all playing roles to achieve the goal of the Sith. And those that did know probably did not know that Sidious was Palpitine. Even now with the Empire, I would have to question whether even his highest officials know he is a Sith with force powers. At most they know he may have aligned himself with a Sith (Vader) and has publicly clarified to the people that Sith were misunderstood and it was the Jedi who were deceiving everyone.

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That all makes sense.

I was also recently considering Ezra and his age and the possibility that Ezra may be the child of known Jedi. Hey... does he have Quinlan Vos hair? :p
 
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Sith are sneaky back stabbing ruthless killers that can't even trust each other as the Master knows the lofty goal of the apprentice is to seize power and overthrow his master... a Master has an Apprentice and another in the wings just in case something happens to the apprentice... and the apprentice has someone in the shadows to help him overthrow the Master... its a vicious circle! :D
Always 4... or 5 there are! no more, no less... but maybe more! :lol


But I guess that is the nature of the Sith. Darth Sidious and Tyranus were Sith and they had their minions but they probably most did not know they were working for Sith. They had both the Republic and their forces and the Federation and their forces, not to mention the Jedi all playing roles to achieve the goal of the Sith. And those that did know probably did not know that Sidious was Palpitine. Even now with the Empire, I would have to question whether even his highest officials know he is a Sith with force powers. At most they know he may have aligned himself with a Sith (Vader) and has publicly clarified to the people that Sith were misunderstood and it was the Jedi who were deceiving everyone.

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That all makes sense.

I was also recently considering Ezra and his age and the possibility that Ezra may be the child of known Jedi. Hey... does he have Quinlan Vos hair? :p
 
Clarifying Sith-y stuff (I hope)... Granted, this is almost entirely EU, and that's in abeyance until the Story Group finishes their winnowing. But I think only OT+ stuff is what's at most risk. Ancient past should be okay. Until it's not.:p

As far as being "Sith". Like the original Mandalorian species, the original Sith species is either extinct or nearly so. But thousands of years ago, the first Jedi Schism saw some Jedi "you can't fire me -- I quit!" from the Order for doing Unnatural Things™ and going into (self-imposed) exile. The ambivalence in my phrasing is due to how each side spins it. *heh* They eventually found their way past the Cauldron Nebula and happened upon the Sith, who had been living in relative isolation. The Sith species at least partially metabolized the Force -- drawing sustenance from it. The Fallen Jedi kinda moved in and took over and interbred with the Sith, and over centuries a more Force-capable hybrid subspecies arose as the ruling caste. These would be the original "Dark Lords of the Sith". Some still used lightsaber-based weapons. Most did not, using the Force in other ways.

Fast forward to Darth Bane's time. Several Sith Empires had pushed into the outer galaxy and been pushed back by the Republic. At least a couple times the Sith were thought to have been exterminated. But, as with the Mandalorians, it had become more a culture/philosophy than a genetic thing. So while there might be a few actual Sith out there by the time of the Great Galactic War of ~3600 BBY, it's mostly other species by then making up that Sith Empire. And during all this time, there are many self-style Dark Lords of the Sith trying to claim supremacy and Bane got sick of that. The Rule of Two is that there is always a Master to wield power and an Apprentice to crave it... Two Lords. Either or both can have many disciples or acolytes or apprentices of their own, but only one big-A Apprentice. They are expected to scheme. And the various apprentices usually don't know the others exist.

George's (and Katie's) bad writing aside, the Force is basically like the Phoenix Force in Marvel Comics. A quasisentient (but not in a way we can really relate to) conceptualization of the life potential of the universe. Not infinite, but a lot, lot, lot bigger than we can wrap our heads around. Like a cell in our body trying to understand the whole -- only several orders of magnitude larger. Whether it's two Sith Lords drawing on that or two thousand, it's not gonna make much of a dent. The Rule was to keep the Order from destroying itself through internecine strife. None of those acolytes or apprentices are able to get anywhere near the power levels of the Master or Apprentice before they burn out, get killed, or get put down by the Master or Apprentice.

Also, letting Vader run around calling helmself the Dark Lord of the Sith (accurate, even if only the Apprentice) is a great way to draw attention away from the true Dark Lord. A lot of people quibble over whether Vader's Sith or Dark/Fallen Jedi. I argue either could also be the other. Most true Sith Lords haven't bothered with lightsabers, so he's more Jedi-like in that regard, but that can easily be seen as an artifact of his early training. That's honestly one of the things that bugs me about ROTS -- Palpatine using a lightsaber. He made such a point in ROTJ describing it as the weapon of a Jedi, and being more interested in raw application of the Force, through lightning, through farsight, through mental manipulation, etc.

Anyway, on to the show discussion...

--Jonah
 
I was extremely cynical and negative towards this show from the start. I made a lot of disparaging remarks about how they seem to be relying on fan nostalgia, what with the music, Falcon noises of the Ghost, etc..... I don't have access to Disney XD, and i can't be bothered with all that "looking for it online somewhere"stuff.....

Recently i saw a couple of the shorts which you guys provided links to, and i have to say, i was quite impressed....i actually smiled and chuckled a few times!

A couple of days ago, i bought the DVD pilot episode. "Sod it." I thought...."It's only a fiver...". I watched it that night and was completely awestruck. This actually FELT like Star Wars!!!! I almost had tears in my eyes at some points, the guys making this simply GET IT!

The one thing i have been DESPERATE to see since 4, 5 and 6 are proper Lightsabers...with intense, thin blades that flicker and pulsate, when i saw Ezra turn on Kanan's saber....i squealed like a 10 year old...this really IS Star Wars!!!!!

I've come out of the darkness and once again feel the light!

Needless to say, i'm soooo looking forward to the BD box set!

Rich

Perfectly worded.

I hated Clone Wars but this, THIS IS STAR WARS! It felt like watching the OT when I was younger. If Disney can do this with animation I can't wait for EP7.
 
I'm liking Rebels more and more. My biggest gripes are with the floppy Toy Story-esque movement that still shows up in a lot of spots, and bad rendering of hair. But I'm liking the writing and characterization. I liked "Droids in Distress", too, where a lot did not, apparently. Artoo, as always, is more on the ball, and Threepio seems to have a sort of permanent brain-fog from all those memory wipes. I'm glad Hera doesn't have the stupid French accent they gave the twi'leks in the Clone Wars series. I'm loving all the McQuarrie references, and hoping we see a McQuarrie-Fett Mandalorian at some point.

My biggest ongoing gripe is Ezra's Force ability. Luke and Anakin, prior to being put on their path, had scary-good reflexes and that's about it. And they're supposed to be serious heavyweights in the Force-attuned world. After three years of training on his own, Luke was able to -- with effort -- call his lightsaber to his hand. How is Ezra doing Force leaps that Luke was only able to do after months of training with Yoda. And I won't give Kanan credit for teaching him. He did it during their first encounter in the pilot. And as a partially-trained Padawan himself, I don't think Kanan's as competent a teacher as Obi-Wan, let alone Yoda.

--Jonah
 
A "street rat" who is to become a savior, a hero? Is this Aladdin or Star Wars.

Disney defiles Star Wars, trying to make it their own.

Sadder than jedi everywhere, sadder than bringing back Vader for their new movie to make ticket sales.

What has Lucas done.......?
 
A "street rat" who is to become a savior, a hero? Is this Aladdin or Star Wars.

Disney defiles Star Wars, trying to make it their own.

Sadder than jedi everywhere, sadder than bringing back Vader for their new movie to make ticket sales.

What has Lucas done.......?


Wow, could you seriously be more of a troll? Away with you.
 
Like irony, invective is a rhetorical strategy often employed by satirists. Invective is a kind of direct attack, mocking a target without any of irony's subtlety.

Hyperbole: exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

Is that enough? You missed the mark by, shall we dare say, "light years"?

Funny enough. You love what Disney has done, there's nothing I nor anyone can say otherwise. Hazzaah to you. Please enjoy the show. Really, I mean that.

The facts speak for themselves. I apologize to all who eat this up without care.
 
I always thought that was stupid, too. Why would you want only two? How are two people going to destroy thousands of Jedi? I just always thought it was just misinterpreted that way.

"Where did you get the idea there was only two of us? It just means we always work in pairs--y'know master/padawan? God, you Jedi are stupid!"

Well it was actually more than two Sith that destroyed the Jedi. Darth Bane started it and there were probably quite a few Sith Lords leading up to Plagueis and Sidious. Not to mention they had a 1,000 years to build allies and contacts to support them. So they were into everything. I think people who hate the Prequels don't give enough credit to how intricate the plan was to kill off the Jedi. I'm not sure how Lucas' original idea was for why there are only two, but the EU explanation that is in previous posts makes sense, especially with the Prequels.
 
One of the ancillary benefits of the Disney acquisition and subsequent efforts to create all new SW content for current fans as well as a whole new generation, is that it makes people like this irrelevant. That does give me a sense of satisfaction and some amusement.
 
One of the ancillary benefits of the Disney acquisition and subsequent efforts to create all new SW content for current fans as well as a whole new generation, is that it makes people like this irrelevant. That does give me a sense of satisfaction and some amusement.

Yes, I too did laugh, but for all too many other reasons.

You have mistaken my comments. Current and future fans of the "franchise" see it in a way no others can and to them I give hope for a long and fruitful "evolution".

Putting a Disney "spin" on a classic is just, well, distasteful.

People who rode horses hated the new invention called the "automobile".
 
Yes, I too did laugh, but for all too many other reasons.

You have mistaken my comments. Current and future fans of the "franchise" see it in a way no others can and to them I give hope for a long and fruitful "evolution".

Putting a Disney "spin" on a classic is just, well, distasteful.

People who rode horses hated the new invention called the "automobile".

Disney has had zero creative input into the content of Rebels. I am a Disney shareholder and investor. They have a profound understanding of the properties they purchase and how to allow them to grow organically, ie Marvel. Animated SW is purely for the enjoyment of kids like my 19 month old. The films will provide a new platform for fans in their teen and older. Your comments provide nothing to the discussion of Rebels as a program beyond vitriol and thus you are a troll.
 
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