STAR WARS Rebels new animated series!

[Nixon]

Yep, he even gets mentioned in the credits

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

I watched it with my nephew and while I thought it was pretty good, I'm REALLY REALLY REALLY tired of the person with hidden Force talents. It's been done so many freaking times they need to do something else.

 

[Jeyl]

I watched it with my nephew and while I thought it was pretty good, I'm REALLY REALLY REALLY tired of the person with hidden Force talents. It's been done so many freaking times they need to do something else.

Well I'm tired of the Force in general, and the fact that it seems to prefer the male gender every time it wants to be important.

Haven't watched the series yet. Might wait till a few episodes are up so I can get a chance to watch an episode that doesn't revolve around our how awesome our force users are.

 

[gizmo]

Well I'm tired of the Force in general, and the fact that it seems to prefer the male gender every time it wants to be important.

Dude you did watch Clone Wars with Ahsoka didnt you??Before you answer you did say "male gender every time it wants to be important". Ahsoka is one of my favourite and most important Star Wars characters and adds sooo much depth to the PT era.


Ben

 

[astroboy]

http://io9.com/how-clone-wars-ahsoka-tano-made-the-star-wars-franchis-1537984315

 

[BobasBounty]

Just watched it after downloading it on iTunes and I really liked it. Can't wait to see more.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

Although the surviving "jedi on the run story" has been told before, this will be the first canon version.

I'll be honest, if during the creation of the show someone asked me, "Hey, should we have jedi/force stuff in this series?" I'd have quickly said "No". I think that would be my reply for a few reason. 1. It's kind of depressing. 2. Working on the assumption that Luke is the only one around (with Leia as a backup) that can become a Jedi, therefore jedi would be extinct.

But upon reflection, 1. This show takes place 14 years after the Empire took control so the depressing part of hunting and killing jedi is for the most part done. 2. The assumption is wrong. Obi and Yoda never said there were no other Jedi or other individuals that existed that could be Jedi. They just meant that Luke and Leia as Anakin's offspring had the potential to be a strong enough Jedi to face Vader and the Empire.

Additionally, the Kanan/Ezra story will be able to tell us the story of what happened in the past 14 years and what it is like to be a Jedi one the run. I was encouraged again be the latest clip showing Kanan and the Inquisitor in which Kanan seemed to be toyed with in a Lightsaber battle. It reaffirms a lot of what David F. told us about how the the Jedi of the influence on the series will be handled.

I think the core elements are there. I like what I have seen so far but I also anticipate the story will be more appealing as the series continues.

FYI: AHSOKA ROCKS!!!... And so does Ashley Eckstein.

 

[Riceball]

I think that MJF makes a good point here, I could be wrong but I don't think that Obi-Wan and/or Yoda ever stated that Luke & Leia were the only remaining Jedi left in the universe just that they were their last real hope of defeating the Emperor and Vader. If you think about it it makes a lot of sense, after all both Obi-Wan & Yoda went into hiding shortly after the whole Order 66 thing and have been in hiding ever since so how would they know how many other Jedi, if any, survived Order 66? It's not likely that either of them went about searching for Jedi themselves since that would have almost certainly drawing unwanted attention to themselves and might have eventually resulted in them crossing paths with Vader or one of his searchers. Think about it, at this period in time the only ones who would be asking about Jedi would be the Imperials, anybody else would likely find themselves snitched out. That and the galaxy is a big place and there were probably Jedi all over the Old Republic and like Yoda and Obi-Wan any number of them would have gone to ground and effectively retired.

 

[Solo4114]

I think that MJF makes a good point here, I could be wrong but I don't think that Obi-Wan and/or Yoda ever stated that Luke & Leia were the only remaining Jedi left in the universe just that they were their last real hope of defeating the Emperor and Vader. If you think about it it makes a lot of sense, after all both Obi-Wan & Yoda went into hiding shortly after the whole Order 66 thing and have been in hiding ever since so how would they know how many other Jedi, if any, survived Order 66? It's not likely that either of them went about searching for Jedi themselves since that would have almost certainly drawing unwanted attention to themselves and might have eventually resulted in them crossing paths with Vader or one of his searchers. Think about it, at this period in time the only ones who would be asking about Jedi would be the Imperials, anybody else would likely find themselves snitched out. That and the galaxy is a big place and there were probably Jedi all over the Old Republic and like Yoda and Obi-Wan any number of them would have gone to ground and effectively retired.

"When gone am I...the last of the Jedi will you be." - Yoda in ROTJ.

I haven't watched the show yet, but I'm excited for it. That said, they're gonna have some 'splainin' to do about that line. Either it means Yoda was wrong (in which case they have to explain why/how he was wrong), or it means Ezra and Kanan die.

For example, it could mean that Kanan and/or Ezra "disconnect" from the Force and completely hide their abilities. Or it could mean that one of them dies and the other goes underground. Or it could mean that there are plenty of Force sensitives or Force users out there, but very few who are actual practicing, trained, active Jedi.

Or, hell, maybe Yoda was just wrong. Or maybe Luke was the only one who could take down the Emperor and Vader.

But I guess we'll find out either way.

--EDIT--

Actually, you know what would be pretty cool?

If they just NEVER answered the question during the Rebels show OR during Episodes VII-IX. I actually think that this could be the perfect sort of story to be explored as a Post-Ep. IX tale: what happened to the lost Jedi for whom there are no records of their demise? The ones who simply...disappeared. Asokha, Ezra, Kanan, other named Jedi that we never saw their deaths or had them confirmed...what happened to them? It could be the subject of an entire new series about finding them and rebuilding the Jedi, or about redefining what it means to be a Jedi and how people in the Star Wars universe relate to the Force.

 

[Riceball]

I'm inclined to think that Yoda was just wrong, there's no way that he could have known each and every Jedi that were in the order at the time of Order 66 or, for that matter, every Padawan, nor the younglings that were slaughtered by Anakin. For all we know there could have been a youngling that was sick on the day that Order 66 was enacted and didn't go to Jedi Day Care the day that Anakin went all aggro in the temple. Or, in the case of the Jedi, there were certainly bound to be some minor Jedi that were either new or simply nothing too special assigned to some backwater somewhere or in transit to or from the Temple that he forgot about or just didn't know since I doubt that Yoda's duties involved keeping track of each and every last Jedi. Plus I don't think that Yoda exactly got INN or copies of the Imperial Times in that Dagobah swamp he was hiding out in so how would he really know if there weren't any surviving Jedi out there, it's not like they would be texting or e-mailing him to tell him that they're still alive and well along with Christmas cards every year.

The way I interpret Yoda's statement is like the way the military describes a unit as being wiped out, when they say that it seldomly, if ever, means that the unit was wiped out to the last man. In military terms wiped out means something along the lines of 50% or more casualties making them combat ineffective, the term wiped out tends to be used to add emphasis for when that number is well above 50%. A good example of this is Custer's 7th Cavalry at the Little Big Horn, conventional history will tell you that Custer and the entire 7th were wiped out at the Little Big Horn, but that's not the case, only something like 50% or so of the 7th were actually wiped out, a couple battalions of the 7th actually survived yet it's alway described as being wiped out. So I think this is essentially what Yoda meant in that Luke was the last of the Jedi, all of the Jedi were effectively wiped out although there may be a few survivors here and there but Luke was the only one he was aware of.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

The ones who simply...disappeared. Asokha, Ezra, Kanan, other named Jedi...

Not Kanan... you mean Caleb.

And technically, those three were never Jedi (did not receive the official key to the Jedi Washroom) based on what we currently know... but I know what you mean. In "A New Dawn" Kanan (Caleb) ponders what type of Imperial database exists on him and what type of info exists.

 

[gizmo]

Also remember Yoda and Obi-wan were not entirely truthful to Luke. They were grasping at straws trying to get him to face Vader and carry on the Jedi way. So either Yoda didn't know or he was bending the truth to get what he wanted.


Ben

 

[Hotsam]

Even if Yoda was aware of other jedi survivors, or had any force connection with them. I doubt he would have revealed this to Luke at the time because of the risk of Luke becoming the next Vader.

 

[Solos blaster]

I watched the first two episodes out and I really liked it. I am hoping that they don't get too reliant on the Kanan and Ezra using the Force to move along plot lines or to save everyone each episode. I am really curious to learn more about Kanan and would like to learn more about the years between ROTS and Rebels.

I know it was the pilot and they wanted to come out strong, but I think Kanan's reveal as a Jedi was too soon. I would have preferred it to happen later on or maybe even in the season finale. I don't know if that would make it better or worse for the audience if "Han" turned into young "Obi-wan" mid/late season. Doesn't really matter I guess lol, I liked it and I'll keep tuning in.

 

[astroboy]

Kanan may have also been a rogue to begin with. He might very well be self taught and not in line with any Jedi order.

 

[Reelo]

Kanan may have also been a rogue to begin with. He might very well be self taught and not in line with any Jedi order.

Well in the book "Rebel Dawn" which is an official, canon prequel to the series, it is established that he was a padawan when Order 66 came. Haven't gotten too far into that book yet, but liking it so far, just as the show.

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[Solo4114]

I'm inclined to think that Yoda was just wrong, there's no way that he could have known each and every Jedi that were in the order at the time of Order 66 or, for that matter, every Padawan, nor the younglings that were slaughtered by Anakin. For all we know there could have been a youngling that was sick on the day that Order 66 was enacted and didn't go to Jedi Day Care the day that Anakin went all aggro in the temple. Or, in the case of the Jedi, there were certainly bound to be some minor Jedi that were either new or simply nothing too special assigned to some backwater somewhere or in transit to or from the Temple that he forgot about or just didn't know since I doubt that Yoda's duties involved keeping track of each and every last Jedi. Plus I don't think that Yoda exactly got INN or copies of the Imperial Times in that Dagobah swamp he was hiding out in so how would he really know if there weren't any surviving Jedi out there, it's not like they would be texting or e-mailing him to tell him that they're still alive and well along with Christmas cards every year.

The way I interpret Yoda's statement is like the way the military describes a unit as being wiped out, when they say that it seldomly, if ever, means that the unit was wiped out to the last man. In military terms wiped out means something along the lines of 50% or more casualties making them combat ineffective, the term wiped out tends to be used to add emphasis for when that number is well above 50%. A good example of this is Custer's 7th Cavalry at the Little Big Horn, conventional history will tell you that Custer and the entire 7th were wiped out at the Little Big Horn, but that's not the case, only something like 50% or so of the 7th were actually wiped out, a couple battalions of the 7th actually survived yet it's alway described as being wiped out. So I think this is essentially what Yoda meant in that Luke was the last of the Jedi, all of the Jedi were effectively wiped out although there may be a few survivors here and there but Luke was the only one he was aware of.

Yeah, that's where I come out. Yoda knows about Obi-Wan, and he knows about Luke, but everyone else he's unaware of. My guess is that he assumes that, because he can't sense them through the Force, because he never saw or heard of any Jedi attacks, etc., he just...assumes that Luke is the last. I'm still curious how this will all play out, though. And I don't think it's something that needs immediate answers. It's the kind of thing the franchise could mine for ages.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

This whole "Jedi sensing other Jedi" thing I think is over simplified by fans or as I like to call it "Force-dar". I think there is some aspects of it that limits abilities. First proximity to the individual... however it is not just beiing close but the individual has to be utilizing the force. It is not the potential of the force they sense but the ripples caused by it.

I also believe that those who have established a greater bond such as family members or master/apprentice have the ability to extend that range because it.. in lack of better words... boosts the signal.

For instance, Vader sensed the force was strong in Luke in the trench of the Deathstar. But it was as the exact time that Ben had communicated to Luke to trust the force. Just like any message, you have to have a sender and a receiver and with the force.. the force has to be triggered in both for that message to happen. Vader sensed Luke receiving that message. Vader's ability to sense that was aided by his proximity and I also believe his relationship to Luke even though it was unknown at the time.

Vader's relationship to Ben is why he sensed him on the Deathstar but he also needed him to be within a close proximity. Otherwise he would have have been aware and locate him 19m years ago. Most likely Ben was using the Force to sense the situation. I think that would be a nature action for any trained Force user going into an unknown situation. Sort of like a status check. I believe this is what Kanan was doing when Ezra first sensed him.

 

[Riceball]

Kanan may have also been a rogue to begin with. He might very well be self taught and not in line with any Jedi order.

They mention in his bio that he was a young Jedi at the time of Order 66 but very much not a rogue and not self taught either. Given that the Old Republic spanned multiple star systems that makes for a lot of potential Jedi so there's no way that anybody could have known every single Jedi in the Order, not even Yoda. You figure that the Masters probably initiate hundreds of new Jedi into the Order a year and of those they probably only really meet and get to know a small handful either because they're the Padawan of someone they're friends with or the new Jedi is particularly skilled or promising. Kanan probably didn't fall into either of those categories, just another young Jedi that was not the Padawan of any Jedi of note and/or associated with Yoda or the other members of the Council, and was probably nothing special in terms of skill and talent either. So, in other words, just your everyday run of the mill Jedi, better than your average normal person but nothing to write home about either as far as Jedi are concerned.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

Well in the book "Rebel Dawn" which is an official, canon prequel to the series, it is established that he was a padawan when Order 66 came. Haven't gotten too far into that book yet, but liking it so far, just as the show.

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I'm listening to the audio book and about half way through. Other than him as a youngling and his real name, I not picked up a lot about his training. However the book appears to indicate that he pretty much left his Jedi ways behind to blend in. No indication of self training. However, I think that might chance by the end of the book.

I read a few things about Kanan/Caleb and Jedi Master Depa Billaba. One was that she was interested in taking him as a padawan but Order 66 happened. Another source (wiki type) indicates that he did become a padawan.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Depa_Billaba/Canon

During the war, Billaba took on a Padawan named Caleb Dume. The two were attacked by clone troopers after the execution of Order 66, which branded the Jedi as traitors against the Galactic Republic. The two fought to save one another, but Billaba fell to the Republic's betrayal. Dume survived and took on a new name—Kanan Jarrus. He eventually became a rebel fighting against the Galactic Empire, and continued thinking of his fallen master and her lessons years after her death.[1]

I think there is a lot of limitations to being self taught. I think it would be a lot like earning half your belts in a martial art and then trying to train yourself to be a Black Belt. You might be able to hone what you learn but even if you get books and videos, it would not be anywhere the same as a real instructor being able to train you. Maybe the show will disprove this theory... we will see.