STAR WARS Rebels new animated series!

Jeyl said:
What does the prophecy specifically say? Where is it written? Why is it so hard to ask for something tangible? If the Jedi consider this prophecy to be of such great importance that they'll teach every Jedi about it, why isn't it written down anywhere?
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Most likely it's something that Lucas forgot about when writing the scripts for the PT. I always felt like Lucas wrote the scripts without ever re-watching the OT, re-reading the scripts for the OT, or even looking back at any notes he might have had from back then. That, to me is the most logical reason for all of the inconsistencies and contradictions between the OT & the PT.

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It has to be vague because misinterpretation plays a big part of how Anakin's story plays out.

Not really canon, but it can be argued that Lucas was thinking of something like this:

It is believed by some that the prophecy of the Chosen One is connected to the prophecy of the "Son of the Suns", as mentioned in the second draft script of what became Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope:
"…And in the time of greatest despair, there shall come a savior, and he shall be known as THE SON OF THE SUNS."―Journal of the Whills, 3:127
 
Mara Jade's Father said:
they refer to keeping the secret that they do not have control of the Force as they once did.
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And what is it exactly that they cannot do with the Force that they once could? It's like if I said "I think it's time we informed Art that our ability to post on the RPF has diminished" even though we continue to do so as if nothing was diminished at all. No explanation, no specific reason and no real evidence that there is even a problem posting on the RPF. You just have to take it at face value and accept it.

And how are we supposed to know that those lost force abilities came back after the Force is put back into balance? We certainly don't see any Jedi declaring with glee that they can now force push things much more efficiently.

Mara Jade's Father said:
It has to be vague because misinterpretation plays a big part of how Anakin's story plays out.
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It can also be vague so that the writer doesn't have to commit to something that they no idea on how to properly handle. Prophecies have always been a cheap gimmick to make a character appear larger than life and more important in the grand scheme of things. What makes Anakin's prophecy feel so tacked on is that it's based on events that were never treated as nor even hinted to being a part of some big grand destiny that will change the way of the Force. It was about the characters, their struggle and their resolve. I much prefer stories where characters actually do things because they choose to, not because some prophecy says they would.

It's all dumb anyways since it resorts to Anakin killing an old man by picking him up and tossing him down a shaft. Decades of willful murder and violence completely forgiven by an act of violence.

*on knees*

Please whatever god is out there. Don't have Kanan go all hero-worshipping when talking about Anakin.
 
Riceball said:
Most likely it's something that Lucas forgot about when writing the scripts for the PT. I always felt like Lucas wrote the scripts without ever re-watching the OT, re-reading the scripts for the OT, or even looking back at any notes he might have had from back then. That, to me is the most logical reason for all of the inconsistencies and contradictions between the OT & the PT.

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I wouldn't say he forgot, I would instead call it reverse engineering. The Jedi Luke become in the OT is most similar to the first Jedi Master we meet in the PT, Qui-gon. I would suggest the relatively simple story of a boy's love for his father which redeems him (Anakin) was all that was going on on the OT. In creating the PT, GL likely saw an opportunity to make the Jedi Order more similar to what he had originally envisioned in his initial screenplays, as per what Mara Jades Father said above. So he took the simple road he took Luke down and created a much more complicated version of Jedi and their relationship to the Force, which also went through various revisions.
 
Jeyl said:
And what is it exactly that they cannot do with the Force that they once could? It's like if I said "I think it's time we informed Art that our ability to post on the RPF has diminished" even though we continue to do so as if nothing was diminished at all. No explanation, no specific reason and no real evidence that there is even a problem posting on the RPF. You just have to take it at face value and accept it.


And how are we supposed to know that those lost force abilities came back after the Force is put back into balance? We certainly don't see any Jedi declaring with glee that they can now force push things much more efficiently.


It can also be vague so that the writer doesn't have to commit to something that they no idea on how to properly handle. Prophecies have always been a cheap gimmick to make a character appear larger than life and more important in the grand scheme of things. What makes Anakin's prophecy feel so tacked on is that it's based on events that were never treated as nor even hinted to being a part of some big grand destiny that will change the way of the Force. It was about the characters, their struggle and their resolve. I much prefer stories where characters actually do things because they choose to, not because some prophecy says they would.


It's all dumb anyways since it resorts to Anakin killing an old man by picking him up and tossing him down a shaft. Decades of willful murder and violence completely forgiven by an act of violence.


*on knees*


Please whatever god is out there. Don't have Kanan go all hero-worshipping when talking about Anakin.
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Believe it or not, not every little detail has to be spelled out I order for the audience to understand what is going on. Lucas provided subtle indicators of what you need to know. However of you are going to be cynical and/or just not want to try to understand the basics of the material, there is not much more I can say to explain it to you. You obviously have a chip on your shoulder about something so I am not sure if your incoherent ranting is just anger or if you really lack a clue to the material. Maybe you should just stick to the adventures of Captain Janeway.
 
Getting back to the preview, I don't know if anyone played Star Wars Galaxies back in the days, but what I saw of Lothal reminded me very much of the smaller cities on Corellia in that game. Which is a good thing in my book. Goosebumps and fond memories....

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I thought the preview looked good. I like that they used the speeder bike sound effects from ROTJ. Not just because of nostalgia, but because they really sound cool.
 
cayman shen said:
Oh wow, I hate that so much. Hopefully later in the series when they introduce the Genie and Abu things will pick up.

Seriously, so awful.
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Yeah Star Wars needs a sense a fun at its heart, but this just looks like a kid's cartoon. The Imperials sounded ridiculous.

Oh well this aint for me, but I'm pinning my hopes on the movies anyway.
 
I just don't understand how a real Star Wars fans can ignore a show that is canon. At the very least, you think they would want to watch to learn new things about the Star Wars universe and aspects and details they never have been exposed.

I also do not understand why people are hung up on the look of he animation and a reason to keep them away. Would they not read a book? There is no "look" to the characters in that sense but you read it for the story.

Finally, how can people keep referring to this show in any way as a kid's show. How many people died violent deaths in just that seven minutes?
 
Obviously everybody's tastes are different and everybody is naturally entitled to their own opinions but to the all of the naysayers I say, give the show a chance, you might end up liking it. I liked what I saw but at the same time I thought that it was a little rough around the edges bit I'm sure that they'll improve as things go along, most shows are like this and it takes them a while to hit their marks but when they do they end up really good. The Clone Wars was like this for me too, when I first saw the pilot/movie I thought it was ok, kind of interesting but didn't wow me and I wasn't that fond of the character designs or the overall look but I stuck with it and by the end of the first season I was totally hooked.
 
I think like a lot of shows or movies, the set up tends to be the weakest part. I originally thought the introduction of Ezra was a bit cliche but then I remembered that a lot of Star Wars is a retelling of classic stories/movies/mythology with its own spin. I was also reminded of my first feelings in regards to Ahsoka when she was first introduced. I thought she was going to be the Scrappy-Doo of TCW but she ended up being my favorite character.
 
Mara Jade's Father said:
Lucas provided subtle indicators of what you need to know. However of you are going to be cynical and/or just not want to try to understand the basics of the material, there is not much more I can say to explain it to you.
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MJF, it's not cynicism. It's common sense. You argue that the Jedi in the prequel trilogy are a shell of what they once were. Problem I have with that is we never see or hear what the Jedi were like before the prequel trilogy. All we can do is assume, and assumptions are not facts. That's not an argument based on cynicism, that's just common sense. Lucas doesn't get credit for what he didn't put in the story, and your argument doesn't work if you have no frame of reference.

Mara Jade's Father said:
Believe it or not, not every little detail has to be spelled out I order for the audience to understand what is going on.
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The Jedi losing their way and playing a role in their own demise isn't what I would call a little detail. I'd call it the most important series defining detail that not only shakes the galaxy, but also it's characters. But we didn't get that. We never saw Yoda or Obi-Wan contemplate how the Jedi had lost their way, or how if they hadn't been so absolute in their beliefs in the Jedi way, none of this would have happened. Instead, all we get is a super confident Yoda declaring that they should go out and kill the Sith. Sure, Yoda gets beaten at the end, but all that seems to do is change his tactics (Fighting -> Hiding) rather than change his character.

I'm really not in this solely for my own self-interest. I just don't understand why these films are worthy of praise for something they didn't have.
 
Riceball said:
Obviously everybody's tastes are different and everybody is naturally entitled to their own opinions but to the all of the naysayers I say, give the show a chance, you might end up liking it. I liked what I saw but at the same time I thought that it was a little rough around the edges bit I'm sure that they'll improve as things go along, most shows are like this and it takes them a while to hit their marks but when they do they end up really good. The Clone Wars was like this for me too, when I first saw the pilot/movie I thought it was ok, kind of interesting but didn't wow me and I wasn't that fond of the character designs or the overall look but I stuck with it and by the end of the first season I was totally hooked.
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I liked the preview, I think they have changed their direction of storytelling, I tried quite a few times on the recommendation of different forums The Clone Wars cartoon, but I couldn't get into it, I found it uninteresting and dull,....It couldn't hold my attention,.....but the clip of the Rebels toon had me hooked....and I'm looking forward to how it plays out

J
 
As I said in my post above, the new series FEELS different than the CW cartoon

Dave Filoni tells us how it's different working with Kathy & Disney:

"It’s different than it was before in that when we worked with George, we were all at Skywalker Ranch. The animation division was almost separate within Lucasfilm. But Kathy [Kennedy, President of Lucasfilm] has brought us down to the Presidio now, so we work right where ILM is and we’re right where all the Star Wars films are gonna be made. We’re all on the same floor. And, you know, I think that gives a better community now. You know, it’s kind of like without George, we’re all banding together. Lucasfilm Story Group, Kathy Kennedy, the directors of all the new films, we all get together and talk about Star Wars and what’s gonna be best for it. So I’m very proud and I feel the responsibility of being this first thing out.

And in a lot of ways that’s why this show is kind of just so unapologetically classic in a Star Wars sense ’cause we all want the fans to feel that this going to be off on the right foot. You’re gonna recognize the music. You’re gonna recognize the look of things. I think there’s gonna be plenty of time in the future to get more aggressively different and exciting and develop new things in Star Wars you’ve never seen. But now is the time of just saying like “Hey guys, this is gonna be a great era for you, just buckle up and get ready.” And that’s what I want."

Full interview link thing:
/Film

.....encouraging
J
 
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