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[Bryancd]

Maybe not, but it is kind of implied. I think the Jedi would be smart enough to know that if there's a signal going out saying don't under any circumstances return to the Jedi temple, something real bad has happened and it would probably be best to lay low until you know what's going on.



I've never understood how anybody could think this. There must be hundreds of thousands of Jedi around at the time of the purge. It's true that the numbers have never been mentioned in any way, but it's a big galaxy and one would assume that if the Republic has stood in relative peace for 1000 years, then it would also be safe to assume the Jedi would have flourished in that time, so I think that number is sound, and maybe even very low. At any rate, to suggest every last one of them was hunted down and destroyed in less than 20 years is just laughable.

I can't imagine there would be 100,000's trained Jedi running around, maybe 10,000 but even that might be high.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

Maybe not, but it is kind of implied. I think the Jedi would be smart enough to know that if there's a signal going out saying don't under any circumstances return to the Jedi temple, something real bad has happened and it would probably be best to lay low until you know what's going on.

Laying low until you know more and hiding for the rest of your life are two different things. The latter is the debate. I will admit I would have to believe there is a little more info in the coded signal as to why the Jedi should stay away and probably something about beware of clones, etc.. But you also have to remember it is not till after they change the signal do they find out that it is Palpatine (along with the newly turned Anakin) that is behind this. Up until that point, they have no idea what has really happened. Was it the Sith? Is it simply Clones gone wild (no, not showing off their breasts)? Etc...? So for that reason, it would be illogical to tell Jedi to go into hiding for the rest of their lives. Also, Jedi are sworn protectors, they have certain responsibilities and obligations. It would be quite cowardly to basically just throw in the towel and say, "Game over man, game over!" before you even know what is going on.

I would have to believe each surviving Jedi has to determine the best way to to serve the Jedi Order. Yoda seems to decide that meditating and preparing to be a source of future Jedi training is his best way. Obi decides to watch over Luke. Now this brings us to the debate. I would have believe (and if rumors are true) this is not a full time gig. After all, Bail Organa is protecting Leia but he lets her go off planet on her own and serve as a senator. The is no reason that Obi Wan can't leave the planet and perform a mission when needed. Leia comes after Obi on the advice of her father. What if this advice is based on previous requests for help. I can certainly believe that Bail and maybe a few chosen others have tasked Obi Wan for missions between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope.

 

[Riceball]

Maybe not, but it is kind of implied. I think the Jedi would be smart enough to know that if there's a signal going out saying don't under any circumstances return to the Jedi temple, something real bad has happened and it would probably be best to lay low until you know what's going on.



I've never understood how anybody could think this. There must be hundreds of thousands of Jedi around at the time of the purge. It's true that the numbers have never been mentioned in any way, but it's a big galaxy and one would assume that if the Republic has stood in relative peace for 1000 years, then it would also be safe to assume the Jedi would have flourished in that time, so I think that number is sound, and maybe even very low. At any rate, to suggest every last one of them was hunted down and destroyed in less than 20 years is just laughable.

I agree, there were almost certainly a lot of Jedi at the time of Ep. III and there's no way that all of them (except Obi-wan & Yoda) would have been killed over the course of 20 years. I'm pretty sure that there were any number of them who went into hiding on obscure back water planets like Yoda & Obi-Wan did or were low enough in the Jedi order that they could have just donned regular civilian and blended in with the general populace of core worlds with no one the wiser that they were once Jedi. However, I do feel that the overall number of surviving Jedi in exile would have been small, no more than 10% of the original Order and even that number would probably be a bit large.

 

[Solo4114]

You've gotta figure that the bulk of them would've been killed with Order 66 and the attack on the temple at Coruscant. The remaining ones would probably have been killed in fairly short order after that, with only a handful really being able to escape altogether. And when they did escape, they likely went underground, hiding their Jedi status, a la Obi-Wan. I dont' think they all became hermits or recluses, but I'd bet that the bulk of them did what they could to fade away and somehow mask their presence in the Force. Otherwise, Vader or some other Force-sensitive inquisitor or assassin could track them down eventually.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

I agree, there were almost certainly a lot of Jedi at the time of Ep. III and there's no way that all of them (except Obi-wan & Yoda) would have been killed over the course of 20 years. I'm pretty sure that there were any number of them who went into hiding on obscure back water planets like Yoda & Obi-Wan did or were low enough in the Jedi order that they could have just donned regular civilian and blended in with the general populace of core worlds with no one the wiser that they were once Jedi. However, I do feel that the overall number of surviving Jedi in exile would have been small, no more than 10% of the original Order and even that number would probably be a bit large.

You've gotta figure that the bulk of them would've been killed with Order 66 and the attack on the temple at Coruscant. The remaining ones would probably have been killed in fairly short order after that, with only a handful really being able to escape altogether. And when they did escape, they likely went underground, hiding their Jedi status, a la Obi-Wan. I dont' think they all became hermits or recluses, but I'd bet that the bulk of them did what they could to fade away and somehow mask their presence in the Force. Otherwise, Vader or some other Force-sensitive inquisitor or assassin could track them down eventually.

That's pretty much what I think as well. I would have to believe that a lot of the Jedi who survived order 66 but dies soon after were those who made brazen/bold tactical moves. After time, I would think that the remainder chose to try to carry out their sworn oath but under the radar.... could their have been Jedi Zorros?

I think the important thing for fans is to keep an open mind. If you would have asked me a year ago that if 14 years after Revenge of the Sith, if there were Jedi other than Obi and Yoda, I would have said no. But Rebels is going to say different. And as I have pondered this news, I have come to realize that it is logical and that most of my speculation is based on my feeling that Jedi stories have been done to death since The Phantom Menace. I was happy to hear that Kanan will not be a well honed Jedi and will not be a strong jedi presence in the show.

 

[Solo4114]

Right, I think that Kanan will represent an excellent example of a survivor Jedi -- he's basically shutting down his connection with the Force, and living as an outlaw and a gunslinger. He'll pull out the sabre when he has to, but otherwise, he's just a guy with a gun, like half the other denizens of various spaceports.

 

[Riceball]

I'm not too sure that all that many Jedi would have been killed by Order 66, while we do see a number of Jedi serving as generals leading Clones into battle I doubt that these Jedi-Generals made up a bulk of the Jedi, I'd imagine that only the most experienced and skilled Jedi would be serving as generals. I'm willing to concede that there might have been a good number of Jedi serving in the equivalent of an S or G shop but I still don't think that even they would have made the number of Jedi serving with the Republic military a majority of Jedi. I'm sure that the bulk of the Jedi were killed in the intervening years between Ep. III & IV with most right after Order 66 with some trying to make brave last stands or getting ambushed as they're returning from assignments away from Clones.

As for Jedi Zorros, that would be a bit hard to believe since anyone seen running around waving a lightsaber would be an instant target for Jedi extermination teams, I'd imagine that more than a few Jedi would have been killed for trying to do the right thing when they were supposed to be in hiding. In the initial aftermath of Ep. III and the early days of the Empire they might have gotten away with playing the masked avenger bit, going from locale to locale on planet, planet to planet, and even sector to sector but after a few years or so I would figure that the Emperor would have gotten established enough with enough resources to chase down any stories or rumors of people doing anything even remotely Jedi-like. I'd also imagine that as the Emperor got settled in inter-galactic travel probably got more and more restricted for anyone without their own starship and wanted to keep away from Empire's eyes which would limit a Jedi Zorros ability to move around in order to keep one step ahead of the Imps.

 

[Solo4114]

I kinda figured that, in addition to the generals, you had various Jedi underlings working with the clone army. They'd have been exterminated, too. Even those on diplomatic assignments or whathaveyou might've had clone escorts "for protection," who would've killed them.

I suppose the real issue is that we just don't have enough info on how many Jedi there were at the time, nor what they were doing. Which, I guess, is convenient for storytelling, since you can make up anyone and say that they survived this and that.

One of the things that bugged me about a lot of the EU stuff prior to it being retroactively declared apocryphal was how MANY Jedi seemed to survive the purge. Like, what happened to Luke being the last of the Jedi after Yoda died? It's a nice thought that this or that character would've survived, but it presents kind of an issue moving forward. I suppose they might also play it off as some Jedi simply stopping being Jedi altogether. Like, entirely walking away from that way of life. I could see where a handful of those folks would've survived. But I just figure that the bulk of them would be dead in the OT and new trilogy time period.

 

[Krull]

You'know even as a kid back during ep IV through VI I always thought it odd that ALL the Jedi had been wiped out except for Kenobi and Yoda,I mean if that was so it must have taken YEARS to do and at least with Kenobi he didn't seem that old,so the organization must have been really small.
And of course if there were survivors then why the hell didn't they join the Rebels? you would think rumors of a Jedi amongst them (Luke) would have reached a few ears......

Well with ep I to III I can see them as pretty arrogant so it's possible they got so confidant and dumb that they got wiped out utterly,still it begs to ask if they had schools on other worlds and maybe a few got away with some padwans,who knows?

And I have to ask as this has NEVER been covered,what of the gray Jedi? you have to think there's gonna be a few who left the order who were about during the Empire so what of them?

That's one thing about Star Wars Lucas I think never really had an idea of a whole story and just did them one at a time with a vague idea of possibly there being nine movies,add in the party lifestyle of the time (cocaine! WHOOO!!!) plus I think while he is a very creative man I also think he's terribly addled and doesn't focus well so you have these huge holes in SW's plot/story.

You can fix them but,sorry to say,the only real fix is to start over....

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

As for Jedi Zorros, that would be a bit hard to believe since anyone seen running around waving a lightsaber would be an instant target for Jedi extermination teams, I'd imagine that more than a few Jedi would have been killed for trying to do the right thing when they were supposed to be in hiding. In the initial aftermath of Ep. III and the early days of the Empire they might have gotten away with playing the masked avenger bit, going from locale to locale on planet, planet to planet, and even sector to sector but after a few years or so I would figure that the Emperor would have gotten established enough with enough resources to chase down any stories or rumors of people doing anything even remotely Jedi-like. I'd also imagine that as the Emperor got settled in inter-galactic travel probably got more and more restricted for anyone without their own starship and wanted to keep away from Empire's eyes which would limit a Jedi Zorros ability to move around in order to keep one step ahead of the Imps.

You actually took the Jedi Zorro remark seriously enough to write a response? Good gravy!!! Glad I didn't say anything about Mighty Morphin' Padawan Rangers.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

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[Wolfsburg]

It doesn't have to make sense. It's what the movies tell us. Obi-wan flat out says the Jedi are "all but extinct" and Yoda even tells Luke that after his death, he will be the last Jedi. That's not hard to understand. I can buy that Vader is just that awesome and has hunted down and killed all the remaing Jedi. I mean, he's got to stay busy with something in those 20 yrs. Frankly, it diminishes Luke's importance somewhat to think any are any left. "...the last of the Jedi will you be...err...besides the others that survived, that is."

 

[Solo4114]

It doesn't have to make sense. It's what the movies tell us. Obi-wan flat out says the Jedi are "all but extinct" and Yoda even tells Luke that after his death, he will be the last Jedi. That's not hard to understand. I can buy that Vader is just that awesome and has hunted down and killed all the remaing Jedi. I mean, he's got to stay busy with something in those 20 yrs. Frankly, it diminishes Luke's importance somewhat to think any are any left. "...the last of the Jedi will you be...err...besides the others that survived, that is."

Yeah, that's ultimately what I figure. It doesn't make sense for Luke to be the last Jedi (unless we're getting into "certain point of view" territory...), only to have old Jedi start popping back up. What I could see, however, is that there were Jedi who basically totally gave up being Jedi, and lived as normals. That'd make Luke the last Jedi, while still allowing for some survivors here and there.

It's also worth distinguishing between Jedi (trained, Force-using Jedi with lightsabres and such), and Force-sensitive individuals who aren't trained as Jedi. A Jedi who completely gives up acting AS a Jedi might pass as just some Force-sensitive individual.


With respect to any Jedi who survived, what would also make sense here or there is having some survivors just die off from natural causes, or unrelated accidents or whathaveyou, rather than having been hunted down and destroyed by the Empire. So, like, Kanan, for example, survived, made it all the way through the Rebellion, but died some time after the Battle of Yavin or Endor or whathaveyou, having decided not to step forward but having recorded his recollections in some Holocron. Or Ahsoka Tano could've survived, but died in a viral outbreak on some other planet or whathaveyou.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

Yoda is not Professor X. He does not know if and where a jedi may exist in the galaxy. True he has special bonds with certain individuals but even that can change as it did with Anakin. Spirit Obi does not know all. His link to the living world is simply through those he contacts. He cannot blink into existence anywhere he wants. Why do I know this, because it would be awful storytelling and it would not support what has happened on screen.

Also let's look at this another way, what does Yoda really mean by "...the last of the Jedi will you be."

-the last one he is aware of?
-the last one who is trained well enough to defeat the Sith?
-the last one with the potential to defeat the Sith?

We know that it is not unheard of for a Jedi tend to express truth from a certain point of view.

After all, Yoda says this then follows up with there is another Skywalker. Which was admitted in The Empire Strikes Back as another hope.

 

[Wolfsburg]

He means just that. Luke is the last Jedi. There is no room for ambiguity in this case. Yoda isn't real. What he's saying is by extension what George Lucas is telling us. GL is telling us Luke is the only living Jedi. Otherwise, why even say it? Even still, I could buy that Yoda, being one of the most powerful Jedi ever, would know what he's talking about. Claiming there is another Skywalker is far from saying there's another Jedi. Also, I don't buy that you can just "turn off" being a Jedi. A Jedi in hiding sure, but still a Jedi by training. Those that have had Jedi training (and as such, deemed Jedi) are the ones Vader should have finished off by ANH. The only way Kanan will make sense to me is if he is killed off by the time everything is said and done, even though ANH gives the vibe the Jedi have been gone a long time.

 

[Jeyl]

Yoda isn't real. What he's saying is by extension what George Lucas is telling us. GL is telling us Luke is the only living Jedi. Otherwise, why even say it?

Because George Lucas isn't the kind of person who stands by what he says?

 

[Riceball]

He means just that. Luke is the last Jedi. There is no room for ambiguity in this case. Yoda isn't real. What he's saying is by extension what George Lucas is telling us. GL is telling us Luke is the only living Jedi. Otherwise, why even say it? Even still, I could buy that Yoda, being one of the most powerful Jedi ever, would know what he's talking about. Claiming there is another Skywalker is far from saying there's another Jedi. Also, I don't buy that you can just "turn off" being a Jedi. A Jedi in hiding sure, but still a Jedi by training. Those that have had Jedi training (and as such, deemed Jedi) are the ones Vader should have finished off by ANH. The only way Kanan will make sense to me is if he is killed off by the time everything is said and done, even though ANH gives the vibe the Jedi have been gone a long time.

But how would Yoda know if any other Jedi survived the purge, he just knows that there was a purge and was likely assuming that all of the Jedi were all wiped out. It's not like anybody else knew where he was hiding and sending him e-mails letting him know that they were OK and hiding from the Empire or the Emperor or Vader did the same to let him know that they've killed every last Jedi except for him. As MJF says, Yoda is wise and powerful in the Force but that doesn't make him all knowing.

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[Sluis Van Shipyards]

I don't think we've ever heard an official number for the Jedi. I think one of those Visual Dictionaries said something like 10,000 at the time of TPM. I'd have to look again. Certainly there were many survivors since Vader's job was supposedly hunting down the remaining Jedi.

I think it would be interesting to see how a Jedi would live after the Purge because I imagine there are a lot of times they would want to step in and help someone, but couldn't without exposing themselves. So you'd have a major conflict of what the right thing to do would be. Of course you could probably do a lot covertly using the Force without anyone knowing it...

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

Hopefully Rebels fills in these blanks for us like clone wars did for the PT.

As it stands now, the Jedi Purge is not canon. We'll have to wait and see how the new canon falls into place.

 

[Wolfsburg]

Because George Lucas isn't the kind of person who stands by what he says?

Well, until he says something to the contrary, there's no reason to think otherwise. Otherwise, why believe anything that is said in the movies?

But how would Yoda know if any other Jedi survived the purge, he just knows that there was a purge and was likely assuming that all of the Jedi were all wiped out. It's not like anybody else knew where he was hiding and sending him e-mails letting him know that they were OK and hiding from the Empire or the Emperor or Vader did the same to let him know that they've killed every last Jedi except for him. As MJF says, Yoda is wise and powerful in the Force but that doesn't make him all knowing.

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Well as I said, if we must stick with an "in galaxy" explanation, I have no problem believing Yoda is powerful enough to sense any existing Jedi...because he's Yoda. To me questioning how Yoda could possibly know is akin to questioning how a snowspeeder can fly or how a lightsaber works. This is more fantasy and myth, and less science fiction.

I don't think we've ever heard an official number for the Jedi. I think one of those Visual Dictionaries said something like 10,000 at the time of TPM. I'd have to look again. Certainly there were many survivors since Vader's job was supposedly hunting down the remaining Jedi.

I think it would be interesting to see how a Jedi would live after the Purge because I imagine there are a lot of times they would want to step in and help someone, but couldn't without exposing themselves. So you'd have a major conflict of what the right thing to do would be. Of course you could probably do a lot covertly using the Force without anyone knowing it...

I always imagined Order 66 likely took out the majority of the 10k (I think it is?) and Vader swept up the rest in the coming 20 years.