Star Wars Obi-Wan Kenobi (tv series)

I've watched a few of his build videos. He's got some very inexpensive and clever builds that are a lot of fun to watch. I never watched his actual films, though the quality looks like it could easily be an episode of The Mandalorian. It would be so much more interesting to see all this production effort used to create an original story rather than playing in the Lucasfilm sandbox. I know I would venture into my own world if I had resources like that!
 
I've watched a few of his build videos. He's got some very inexpensive and clever builds that are a lot of fun to watch. I never watched his actual films, though the quality looks like it could easily be an episode of The Mandalorian. It would be so much more interesting to see all this production effort used to create an original story rather than playing in the Lucasfilm sandbox. I know I would venture into my own world if I had resources like that!
He’s got several short films that are original works on his YouTube channel as well.
 
I just heard that they just got the Patterson cut pulled. Disney and LucasFilm trying to keep their heads in the Tatooine sands.
More just protecting their IP. With trademarks (which are part of the IP in the films and shows), if you don't actively defend them when people try to pirate them, you can lose them as the Patent & Trademark Office rules that you "abandoned" them. Basically ignoring infringement can lead to an abandonment claim. With copyright, it's a little more complicated, but ignoring violations can block you from enforcing against a specific violation (not the same as losing the rights altogether, though).

Mottrex That's another huge factor that could equally be applied to the franchise of Star Wars, or any 1980's intellectual property too. Sure I know there are kids who enjoy it, but I still feel the only reason that it's even survived this long is the adults who carried the torch for it since childhood and passed it on to our children and grandchildren. Without us, this property would have been relegated to the past like countless others. I think the testament to its longevity will be when we die off and if our young descendents carry that same love with them into their adulthood, or if they grow out of it and it gets mostly forgotten.

As enduring as the quality of the original films are, once the original Star Wars generation is dead and gone, the impact it had on the culture and its influence may very well fade out with us. Not to sound morbid or anything, but then again, we won't live to see that happen. lol

I think it's perhaps a bit easy to dismiss inasmuch as there is also a whole generation now in adulthood that grew up with the prequels and Clone Wars cartoon as "their" Star Wars. They may recognize the prequels as flawed, but they love them anyway (whereas the original trilogy fans recognize them as flawed and range from tolerance-mixed-with-mild-enjoyment to hatred of the prequels, in my experience).


My 2c:

There is a big Smyths toy store near me. Think Toysrus size.
Its always fairly busy when I 've been in. It is chock full of action figures from all manner of franchises. But the SW section is tiny, like, blink and miss it. You have to make a concerted effort to find it.
The toy section in my local supermarket has no SW toys outside of smaller Lego sets.
Far as I can tell, people just generally don't want Star Wars toys for whatever reason.

Consider too that Star Wars is no longer the number one selling toy franchise and hasn't been for a few years now. In the last decade Hasbro's selection of Star Wars, G.I.Joe, and Transformers in every department store I've been in the last decade has been virtually nonexistent. If you're lucky you'll see a few meager rows of figures. That's about all.

I think there are some underlying structural factors that play into this. In the late 70s, the 3.75" action figure thing was a brand new concept. Nobody had done it up to that point; everything else was Barbie/Mego-sized dolls. Star Wars the film and Star Wars the toy franchise both kinda took the world by storm out of nowhere.

By the 80s, the action figure thing was in full swing, though. One of the key differences was, in my view, the kind of "centralized" approach to getting those toys to kids. There were a ton of toy making companies (I mean, beyond just Kenner, Mattel, and Hasbro), but there were more centralized distribution outlets in the form of toy stores, and more centralized ways to advertise them. Kids still watched TV on 6 channels (much of the time -- cable, too, in many areas), commercials were still a constant thing, and the shows themselves were designed as 30-minute toy advertisements. Literally. Like, new storylines in the G.I. Joe comic and cartoon would feature new characters and -- critically -- new toys. All designed to coincide with those toys hitting the shelves. So you could read about Wet-Suit and Leatherneck attacking Cobra Island on the new Devil Fish boat toy, go buy all three toys at the store, and then watch those same characters use the same toy in a different adventure at 4:30pm on your local station that carried the G.I. Joe cartoon.

This strategy was used with all manner of toys that came and went, too. Sectaurs, Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors, COPS, Centurions, Spiral Zone, etc., etc., etc. All while kids were also watching all manner of candy and breakfast cereal commercials, too.

All that is different now. Kids don't consume media that way. Parents don't shop that way as much. Even before the pandemic screwed everything up, it all just works differently now. There's much more distributed and diffuse methods of getting content to people and showing kids "Here is a cool thing for you to get your parents to buy you."

I think, as a result, a lot of the "legacy" toys like G.I. Joe, Star Wars, Transformers, etc. just...aren't as popular.

As for why Star Wars isn't itself as popular toy-wise, I think the above is part of it, but I also think it's the dominance of Marvel in the film arena. Marvel probably comes closest to the ubiquity that you had with the old toy franchises of the 80s and 90s. It's EVERYWHERE. As are the toys. And I think for a lot of kids, that just crowds everything else out.


Anyway, I still don't get the dislike of Reva. Admittedly, I haven't dug too deeply into it, but I found her interesting and I'd be curious to see more stories about her. I'm good with us never getting any more Obi-Wan, though. I don't think it needs more story, although I could see where you could tell a good one in the future with that character, given where he ends up by the end of the show.
 
More just protecting their IP. With trademarks (which are part of the IP in the films and shows), if you don't actively defend them when people try to pirate them, you can lose them as the Patent & Trademark Office rules that you "abandoned" them. Basically ignoring infringement can lead to an abandonment claim. With copyright, it's a little more complicated, but ignoring violations can block you from enforcing against a specific violation (not the same as losing the rights altogether, though).

If they're protecting their IP, then why haven't they gone after the Despecialized Editions or the 4K77 fan edits? Those technically count as pirating the OT, which they are still making money off of with re-releases of the films on Blu-Ray.
 
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I think there are some underlying structural factors that play into this. In the late 70s, the 3.75" action figure thing was a brand new concept. Nobody had done it up to that point; everything else was Barbie/Mego-sized dolls. Star Wars the film and Star Wars the toy franchise both kinda took the world by storm out of nowhere.

By the 80s, the action figure thing was in full swing, though. One of the key differences was, in my view, the kind of "centralized" approach to getting those toys to kids. There were a ton of toy making companies (I mean, beyond just Kenner, Mattel, and Hasbro), but there were more centralized distribution outlets in the form of toy stores, and more centralized ways to advertise them. Kids still watched TV on 6 channels (much of the time -- cable, too, in many areas), commercials were still a constant thing, and the shows themselves were designed as 30-minute toy advertisements. Literally. Like, new storylines in the G.I. Joe comic and cartoon would feature new characters and -- critically -- new toys. All designed to coincide with those toys hitting the shelves. So you could read about Wet-Suit and Leatherneck attacking Cobra Island on the new Devil Fish boat toy, go buy all three toys at the store, and then watch those same characters use the same toy in a different adventure at 4:30pm on your local station that carried the G.I. Joe cartoon.

This strategy was used with all manner of toys that came and went, too. Sectaurs, Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors, COPS, Centurions, Spiral Zone, etc., etc., etc. All while kids were also watching all manner of candy and breakfast cereal commercials, too.

All that is different now. Kids don't consume media that way. Parents don't shop that way as much. Even before the pandemic screwed everything up, it all just works differently now. There's much more distributed and diffuse methods of getting content to people and showing kids "Here is a cool thing for you to get your parents to buy you."

I think, as a result, a lot of the "legacy" toys like G.I. Joe, Star Wars, Transformers, etc. just...aren't as popular.

As for why Star Wars isn't itself as popular toy-wise, I think the above is part of it, but I also think it's the dominance of Marvel in the film arena. Marvel probably comes closest to the ubiquity that you had with the old toy franchises of the 80s and 90s. It's EVERYWHERE. As are the toys. And I think for a lot of kids, that just crowds everything else out.


Anyway, I still don't get the dislike of Reva. Admittedly, I haven't dug too deeply into it, but I found her interesting and I'd be curious to see more stories about her. I'm good with us never getting any more Obi-Wan, though. I don't think it needs more story, although I could see where you could tell a good one in the future with that character, given where he ends up by the end of the show.
Re the toys, I get all that, but the store by me has a ton of toys for Jurassic Park, Rampage, Justice League. Its not just the big Marvel or WWE figures. And Star Wars hasn't been shy in putting out content. Its up there (more so than some other franchises) but kids don't seem to want SW toys specifically.

RE Reva, totally and utterly agree. The more I think about her story, padawan to inquisitor years, I think there could be some interesting immer turmoil/darkside conflict there. Don't get why people had a problem with her (again, obviously I do!)
 
I still feel Obi-Wan and Bail's failures to protect both children far outweigh any shortcomings with Reva as a character. She is really the least of the issues with the script and by the end Moses Ingram turned in a pretty gut wrenching performance.
 
On another note Lucasfilm should edit this show down to a two hour movie and release it exclusively on disc (perhaps in a limited edition) using one of the decent fan edits as a model leaving the full show exclusively on D+. They won't, but they should as it would likely be very profitable.
 
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I still feel Obi-Wan and Bail's failures to protect both children far outweigh any shortcomings with Reva as a character. She is really the least of the issues with the script and by the end Moses Ingram turned in a pretty gut wrenching performance.

Exactly. I don't like Reva simply because she was poorly written. Like I've said before there were a couple moments (the siege where she was talking to Obi-Wan through the door, at the Lars homestead) where she could have briefly been redeemed as a character, where you almost felt something for the character, and then they snatched it away. The biggest problem is the fact that because of Obi-Wan and Bails' poorly written incompetence, the Rebellion would be doomed after this show. There's just no way their horrendous operational security wouldn't have led to the Empire mopping up at least Bail, Luke, Leia, and a bunch of the early Rebel cells.
 
If they're protecting their IP, then why haven't they gone after the Despecialized Editions or the 4K77 fan edits? Those technically count as pirating the OT, which they are still making money off of with re-releases of the films on Blu-Ray.
Not entirely sure about this, but D seems to be more aggressive protecting the post-acquisition films than the pre-acquisition ones.
 
Not entirely sure about this, but D seems to be more aggressive protecting the post-acquisition films than the pre-acquisition ones.
Sounds kinda dumb, especially with Star Wars. Since, you know, they're still making content with the name and characters.
 
If they're protecting their IP, then why haven't they gone after the Despecialized Editions or the 4K77 fan edits? Those technically count as pirating the OT, which they are still making money off of with re-releases of the films on Blu-Ray.

On a practical level, there's no way to really stop the Harmy or 4k77 edits. They're absolutely pirating, but the way they get distributed is through file sharing networks and they've been out and distributed for years now. Basically, the horses are already out of the barn there, so...screw it. Not much to be done about it. On the other hand, if someone posts their fan edit to Youtube, you can shut down a lot of potential distribution (Assuming people aren't copying it to then share around, and I guess we'll see if that happened) simply by issuing a takedown request and getting the video pulled.

I agree that all are examples of piracy, but you actually have a shot at stopping further spread of one, whereas the others are just...out there and you'll never get them to stop being shared at this point.

Exactly. I don't like Reva simply because she was poorly written. Like I've said before there were a couple moments (the siege where she was talking to Obi-Wan through the door, at the Lars homestead) where she could have briefly been redeemed as a character, where you almost felt something for the character, and then they snatched it away. The biggest problem is the fact that because of Obi-Wan and Bails' poorly written incompetence, the Rebellion would be doomed after this show. There's just no way their horrendous operational security wouldn't have led to the Empire mopping up at least Bail, Luke, Leia, and a bunch of the early Rebel cells.

When you say she's "poorly written," what do you mean? I've seen you and other folks say this, but I don't get what was "poorly written" about her character.
 
One of the worst things in any movie/TV show is when actors blatantly wait for another actor to speak, it takes you out of the flow..
Similarly in this show All those pregnant pause Action scenes where characters waited to be caught, shot, fought in a few places the actor is clearly standing still ready to move. Now I'm thinking the editing is what's to blame.. Its not tight enough in a number of shots and as I mentioned before those phase melt swirls would certainly look better exposing an already in action scene.
This still doesn't excuse Reva's pantomime let the good guys go then shout after them...

"I'll get you Peter Pan"
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Just finished all 6 episodes. Haven't only seen the trailer and a few spoilers.....plus all Star Wars the movies (of course), the Mandalorian and only the older Clone Wars cartoon, I really didn't have all these other shows, books, and other random stories to really get in the way for me....and so, I absolutely LOVED the show and wish their were more than just 6 episodes. I really had no idea what to expect and what they were going to do.
Of course I was very hesitant that they could do a good job with the story, but I was glad they actually made it really good. I thought all the acting was really good. The girl playing Leia...wow, if she stays in acting, shes got quite a career ahead of her.
Not even sure how Disney will to this.
 
Oh, and of my monitors, I currently have this background, with sith on the left, jedi on the right.
So here at the very end, I thought this was super fitting to watch like this.

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