Star Wars Obi-Wan Kenobi (tv series)

There's just not much to say that hasn't already been said. I always enjoy seeing new Imperial environs and I wasn't openly offended but it was just another "meh" episode for me. With the bizarre and pervasive inclusion of Leia, this show is definitely less about Obi-wan and more just a retread of The Mandalorian (aka Lone Wolf and Cub) formula.

I guess T-47 airspeeders really don't look so different than their modified snowspeeder variants. Was Wade someone we were supposed to care about?
There is one difference and that's their cockpits. Apparently, unmodified T-47s don't have a backseat and have enough room inside for two full-grown adults and a 10 year old. In Empire, the pilots and gunners seemed to be squeezed in pretty tightly in their seats, so tightly that Leia would have a hard time fitting in either seat, front or back, don't mention a third adult. I wonder if the models were different with a longer cockpit because the only they could have squeezed all of those people in it was if the harpoon was an addition that the Rebels made and that the space the harpoon gun takes was originally cockpit space.
 
There is one difference and that's their cockpits. Apparently, unmodified T-47s don't have a backseat and have enough room inside for two full-grown adults and a 10 year old. In Empire, the pilots and gunners seemed to be squeezed in pretty tightly in their seats, so tightly that Leia would have a hard time fitting in either seat, front or back, don't mention a third adult. I wonder if the models were different with a longer cockpit because the only they could have squeezed all of those people in it was if the harpoon was an addition that the Rebels made and that the space the harpoon gun takes was originally cockpit space.
You’re not supposed to THINK about stuff!
 
...I love this show. Like really, really love it.

That is all.
Me too. I'm glad to hear another say this. There's so much bashing going on here - and those who are critical are entitled to that opinion, and are no more correct or wrong than am I in mine - it would be easy to take away nobody enjoys this show. To me, Star Wars has always been written for a ten year old audience, and to enjoy it as it has always been intended, one must revert to a ten year old naivete. There have been implausibilities since 1977 (when I was in fact ten years old), and they have continued at the same pace since. It's a fairy tale, nothing more. Why did the prince need to fit a glass slipper to Cinderella in order to recognize his one true love? Because he did, that's why; same with Star Wars.
To those who might say there have been no good Star Wars stories since ROTJ, I'd say more likely than not we've changed - not Star Wars.
 
Me too. I'm glad to hear another say this. There's so much bashing going on here - and those who are critical are entitled to that opinion, and are no more correct or wrong than am I in mine - it would be easy to take away nobody enjoys this show. To me, Star Wars has always been written for a ten year old audience, and to enjoy it as it has always been intended, one must revert to a ten year old naivete. There have been implausibilities since 1977 (when I was in fact ten years old), and they have continued at the same pace since. It's a fairy tale, nothing more. Why did the prince need to fit a glass slipper to Cinderella in order to recognize his one true love? Because he did, that's why; same with Star Wars.
To those who might say there have been no good Star Wars stories since ROTJ, I'd say more likely than not we've changed - not Star Wars.

I agree. It does rather seem sometimes that openly expressing an enjoyment for 'later' Star Wars and not caring too much about minor ret-cons and deviations from 'canon' is akin to heresy to some! For what it's worth I'm enjoying this series, as I also liked The Mandalorian and Book of Boba Fett (and - dare I say it - the sequel trilogy). Are they perfect? No, of course not. Neither were the originals (and I'm old enough to have sat in the cinema as an adult and watched that Star Destroyer thunder overhead for the first time when it was just 'Star Wars' - no bloody ANH, ESB or ROTJ, let alone TPM, AOTC or ROTS :lol: ). Are there things I wish they'd done differently? Of course. Are there occasional irritating moments. Yes... as in almost any other creative endeavour. But for me there's always much more to like than dislike. It's Star Wars!. And those things I do dislike... well, there's nothing I can do to change them, and certainly no point in endlessly moaning about them, so I just move on. Life's short. :cry:
 
Me too. I'm glad to hear another say this. There's so much bashing going on here - and those who are critical are entitled to that opinion, and are no more correct or wrong than am I in mine - it would be easy to take away nobody enjoys this show. To me, Star Wars has always been written for a ten year old audience, and to enjoy it as it has always been intended, one must revert to a ten year old naivete. There have been implausibilities since 1977 (when I was in fact ten years old), and they have continued at the same pace since. It's a fairy tale, nothing more. Why did the prince need to fit a glass slipper to Cinderella in order to recognize his one true love? Because he did, that's why; same with Star Wars.
To those who might say there have been no good Star Wars stories since ROTJ, I'd say more likely than not we've changed - not Star Wars.
The best point you made was looking at Star Wars through a 10 yr old lens...then you completely contradicted yourself by saying Star Wars hasn't changed...we've changed. You can't have it both ways. I agree, we have grown up, or atleast some of us...lol but you think a 10yr old gets Kylo wren killing his own father who loved him dearly as opposed to Luke trying to save his father and sister from evil? Do you think a 10yr old gets Luke hiding in a hut on the Island abandoning his own family when they need him the most wallowing in self pity and failure instead of being a man on the front line of battle trying to help the ones that love him? Or how about a 10yr old watching a grown man (OBi) suffering from PTSD, being afraid and lacking faith being led around by a little girl who seems to have more passion, more grit and intelligence than a wise old sage as opposed to that wise old sage watching over a young man and being a catalyst for his future maturity and developement? Come on...I'll give you we can be guilty sometimes of not seeing it through the lens of a child but Star Wars has always been loved by kids and adults ever since it came out in 1977...To say Star Wars hasn't changed, we've changed? What about, Star Wars has changed A LOT!!! reflecting how much our values as a people have changed? I can agree with that. There has been a clear digression in both...that is for certain.
 
Although I respect your opinion and understand we see things through a different lense, I don't see at all how a proactive response by a child shows Kenobi to be humble. In every tense situation so far, the writers have shown Leia to have faith that moves mountains vs a Jedi Master who seemingly doubts and worries. Once again, we are getting Rey and Jake Skywalker repackaged. I simply do not like it...I see their agenda and frankly, I'm beyond sick of it. I respect you, Ewan and the rest of the actors but this is by far, one of the most poorly written shows I've ever seen, especially when they had everything handed to them on a silver platter with ANH...which is why they shouldn't have even made it...honestly, never should have touched any of the legacy characters. I appreciate your perspective though.
I saw this moment as Kenobi bettered by a child which happens, as I'm sure you know, every parent experiences this at some point. His response to her proactivity is the humility. I felt that this moment differed from the others where Leia bested him because he seemed to acknowledge it and accept that she is part of the "New Hope" for the galaxy. IMO this is the only moment where Kenobi doesn't seem to be wallowing in defeat like he is every other time Leia takes charge. Mileage may vary with that and that's cool.

In general Kenobi is far too broken and doesn't really feel like he's even on the road to his counterpart in ANH. I agree the series/ the current SW is not going particularly well, see my past posts for evidence of such. Although I'm not a fan of this show so far I'm not on board with bashing it relentlessly (not that you or anyone else is doing that at this point) as it serves no purpose that elevates anyone or anything. I'm all for constructive criticism of it and for hearing what in particular people enjoy about it, all in the vein of discussion.
 
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I will admit that my 6yr old watches Star Wars and has different likes than i do...which i do not force my likes upon him. He loved Mandalorian, TBOB and likes The OWK series...he cannot stand the ST...doesn't like it at all...He loves the OT but Empire is down on his list. He will not watch Rogue ONE or Han Solo. Me?

I agree with him completely on the ST and Mando and the OT except Empire is high up on my list. Our biggest agreement as father and son is that ROTJ is both our favorite.

Our list, i'm sure is different than yours. Not saying we are right but just demonstrating the point made up above to some extent.
 
I saw this moment as Kenobi bettered by a child which happens, as I'm sure you know, every parent experiences this at some point. His response to her proactivity is the humility. I felt that this moment differed from the others where Leia bested him because he seemed to acknowledge it and accept that she is part of the "New Hope" for the galaxy. IMO this is the only moment where Kenobi doesn't seem to be wallowing in defeat like he is every other time Leia takes charge. Mileage may vary with that and that's cool.

In general Kenobi is far too broken and doesn't really feel like he's even on the road to his counterpart in ANH. I agree the series/ the current SW is not going particularly well, see my past posts for evidence of such. Although I'm not a fan of this show so far I'm not on board with bashing it relentlessly (not that you are anyone else is doing that at this point) as it serves no purpose that elevates anyone or anything. I'm all for constructive criticism of it and for hearing what in particular people enjoy about it, all in the vein of discussion.
well said, and received.
 
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This guy Freddy, i think his name is, totally believes The Obi-Wan Series is the best series he's ever seen...He told me that he's seen far Stranger Things happen in other series. In fact he wrote me a poem to share with you all:

1...2...Disney's coming for you
3...4...There'll be so much more
5...6...There'll be more to fix
7...8...You'll be sure to hate
9...10..."here we go again"

Oh wait...sorry...wrong thread

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Me too. I'm glad to hear another say this. There's so much bashing going on here - and those who are critical are entitled to that opinion, and are no more correct or wrong than am I in mine - it would be easy to take away nobody enjoys this show. To me, Star Wars has always been written for a ten year old audience, and to enjoy it as it has always been intended, one must revert to a ten year old naivete. There have been implausibilities since 1977 (when I was in fact ten years old), and they have continued at the same pace since. It's a fairy tale, nothing more. Why did the prince need to fit a glass slipper to Cinderella in order to recognize his one true love? Because he did, that's why; same with Star Wars.
To those who might say there have been no good Star Wars stories since ROTJ, I'd say more likely than not we've changed - not Star Wars.

If this series is truly meant for children alone, or if you have to revert your mindset to that of a child to be able to enjoy it, what does that really say about middle age men and women who are obsessed with it? I can understand that Star Wars brings childlike wonder to millions of fans, but there's a marked difference between family friendly entertainment which can appeal to children but also cater to adults that doesn't dumb down the writing, and that of shows or movies made for children where quality is an afterthought. If we're really going to argue that "it's made for kids," then why on earth would adults care about it? Star Wars Celebration was attended in Anaheim by thousands of (mostly) adults.

What if we were to switch the film or movie? How many adults do you know who are obsessed with Teletubbies? How many people do you know collect their merchandise? How many of those childhood fans are now adults and clamoring for a spin off series or reboot? The only reason our fandom isn't considered creepy is because most Star Wars fans are adults and it's become socially acceptable to be a fan, despite our age. We partly justify our love for this franchise because there's enough of us in adulthood who feel the same as we do, so in that regard we don't stand out as pariah's in social circles. So much of the pop culture of our childhoods have carried into adult life where past generations outgrew the material. It does pose the question as to why we haven't let go when our parents did? I think it's because we're afraid of growing old.

Even setting that aside for the moment, there's nothing wrong with liking or disliking a show or movie and thankfully I have to say that this thread has been very civil in it's discussion, to which I am very thankful. I just think it's high time to acknowledge that if you're going to claim that the originals were inconsistent, poorly written, poorly acted, miscast, or whatever your quibble with it is, why is it that when someone points out the same, if not more egregious errors in the new stuff, suddenly it's considered complaining when they question a discrepancy? People like me aren't saying anything new. We spoke up in disagreement when Lucas kept changing the story, so why should Disney get a pass for doing the same? If anything I think that stance is, at the least, more consistent.

The original three worked, and worked so effectively that they've lasted 45 years. Any inconsistencies they had (in their original theatrical cuts) must have been pretty minimal to last this long. Nostalgia alone has a shelf life, so that's not a valid reason to explain their longevity. Even complaining about "whiners" is a form of complaining. Putting the onus of success and fan reception from a current show on the past editions is a really strange way to excuse choices made by today's writers. When you write fiction, you're establishing a continuity. When you deviate from that continuity, it's only natural that your audience will question it.

I'm not suggesting that there isn't a place for fans to enjoy the new material and far be it from me to ever make a peer feel unwelcome. It's just time to be frank about the rationality behind our arguments. If we're going to make claims that don't make much sense, then it's equally as valid to call out story ideas that don't work. My dislike of a story should in no way impact your enjoyment. Just as your dislike of what I love should be of little consequence. There is no argument to win. We're all fans. I embrace you all, even if I don't always agree with you.
 
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When a child is captured and goes through interrogation and has to be rescued by one of the greatest Jedi Masters of all time and has to be the grown -up and console her rescuer is utterly pathetic!!! She's 10 yrs old!!! Just another way to make Obi-wan even more pathetic in this series than he already is.(Poor Obi, i guess he needs more time to heal). They should have never met in the first place based on ANH . If he was a real man, he would have held her in his arms first to console her instead of abandoning a natural fatherly figure instinct only to continue to wallow in his own bewilderment. Great writing...bravo. ugh!!

Little Leia is by far the best character in this series...the actress has a great future ahead of her and i wish her the best.

My love for Star Wars (With the hope of an OT Luke Skywalker) always tries to believe there maybe some good left in it...but i should never have watched any of this and just refused the pull of the dark side. I know who Luke Skywalker, Obi-wan Kenobi, Han Solo, Leia, Chewy, Darth Vader, r2 C3P0 and Lando, Yoda, the Emperor, Boba Fett among others are...They've been with us the whole time.

It's like when you go through life and you have a great core of friends who are always there, who never leave you unlike many acquantences that you meet throughout your life...You hold on to them and let the Jake Skywalkers and Jake Kenobi's go because you never really knew them anyway and they sure as heck didn't care about you. These latest series have caused so much trauma in me, i will go and isolate myself and wallow in a cave somewhere while i let PTSD control every part of my being...I'm a failure...i tried to turn you away from the darkside but i failed. I can only hope you will feel as sorry for me as you do Jake Kenobi. Goodbye...lol. Just kidding
Ok, so interpreted that scene differently. I saw her hand shaking slightly when reaching for his, so I took it as she was reaching out to him for comfort. He takes her hand and rubs it gently and she is able to sit back and relax with a hint of a smile. He didn't seem really shaken up, but she did.

But hey, I could be wrong. This is the same girl that comforted Luke after her whole friggin' planet blew up with her entire family.

I am enjoying the show. Mainly because I recognize these people as being able to make mistakes and not always have the best judgment during tense moments.

I do tend to over analyze things, and usually can think of something that makes sense enough to enable me to enjoy what I'm watching. This is especially true when there are a lot of other things that I'm enjoying in the show/movie.
 
Ok, so interpreted that scene differently. I saw her hand shaking slightly when reaching for his, so I took it as she was reaching out to him for comfort. He takes her hand and rubs it gently and she is able to sit back and relax with a hint of a smile. He didn't seem really shaken up, but she did.

But hey, I could be wrong. This is the same girl that comforted Luke after her whole friggin' planet blew up with her entire family.

I am enjoying the show. Mainly because I recognize these people as being able to make mistakes and not always have the best judgment during tense moments.

I do tend to over analyze things, and usually can think of something that makes sense enough to enable me to enjoy what I'm watching. This is especially true when there are a lot of other things that I'm enjoying in the show/movie.
I may have to rewatch it...I was pretty fed up by that point with all the other " kid take charge" moments. I could be wrong as well...I'm willing to admit it if I am

With that being said...if you are right then Obi-Wan is still guilty of not being proactive and recognizing that a little girl was just interrogated and shaken up...only worried about himself? Most grown ups would say...Are you ok? Come here , let me hug you.
 
If this series is truly meant for children alone, or if you have to revert your mindset to that of a child to be able to enjoy it, what does that really say about middle age men and women who are obsessed with it? I can understand that Star Wars brings childlike wonder to millions of fans, but there's a marked difference between family friendly entertainment which can appeal to children but also cater to adults that doesn't dumb down the writing, and that of shows or movies made for children where quality is an afterthought. If we're really going to argue that "it's made for kids," then why on earth would adults care about it? Star Wars Celebration was attended in Anaheim by thousands of (mostly) adults.

What if we were to switch the film or movie? How many adults do you know who are obsessed with Teletubbies? How many people do you know collect their merchandise? How many of those childhood fans are now adults and clamoring for a spin off series or reboot? The only reason our fandom isn't considered creepy is because most Star Wars fans are adults and it's become socially acceptable to be a fan, despite our age. We partly justify our love for this franchise because there's enough of us in adulthood who feel the same as we do, so in that regard we don't stand out as pariah's in social circles. So much of the pop culture of our childhoods have carried into adult life where past generations outgrew the material. It does pose the question as to why we haven't let go when our parents did? I think it's because we're afraid of growing old.

Even setting that aside for the moment, there's nothing wrong with liking or disliking a show or movie and thankfully I have to say that this thread has been very civil in it's discussion, to which I am very thankful. I just think it's high time to acknowledge that if you're going to claim that the originals were inconsistent, poorly written, poorly acted, miscast, or whatever your quibble with it is, why is it that when someone points out the same, if not more egregious errors in the new stuff, suddenly it's considered complaining when they question a discrepancy? People like me aren't saying anything new. We spoke up in disagreement when Lucas kept changing the story, so why should Disney get a pass for doing the same? If anything I think that stance is, at the least, more consistent.

The original three worked, and worked so effectively that they've lasted 45 years. Any inconsistencies they had (in their original theatrical cuts) must have been pretty minimal to last this long. Nostalgia alone has a shelf life, so that's not a valid reason to explain their longevity. Even complaining about "whiners" is a form of complaining. Putting the onus of success and fan reception from a current show on the past editions is a really strange way to excuse choices made by today's writers. When you write fiction, you're establishing a continuity. When you deviate from that continuity, it's only natural that your audience will question it.

I'm not suggesting that there isn't a place for fans to enjoy the new material and far be it from me to ever make a peer feel unwelcome. It's just time to be frank about the rationality behind our arguments. If we're going to make claims that don't make much sense, then it's equally as valid to call out story ideas that don't work. My dislike of a story should in no way impact your enjoyment. Just as your dislike of what I love should be of little consequence. There is no argument to win. We're all fans. I embrace you all, even if I don't always agree with you.

TLDNR ;)

So, what you are saying is: Star Wars is for children of all ages. Not just for the under 5 crowd.
 
I may have to rewatch it...I was pretty fed up by that point with all the other " kid take charge" moments. I could be wrong as well...I'm willing to admit it if I am

With that being said...if you are right then Obi-Wan is still guilty of not being proactive and recognizing that a little girl was just interrogated and shaken up...only worried about himself? Most grown ups would say...Are you ok? Come here , let me hug you.
I didn't mean any offense if my tone came off as condescending or anything. And I have found that a few of Leia's "kid takes charge" moments have not gone very well. And the times they have, it seems to be blind luck. Haha

And true, Obi-Wan *should* have recognized that and been proactive in comforting her. I agree. But I always felt that he was very comforting to Luke after Owen and Beru died. Obi-Wan has never been extremely empathetic, and that's one of the reasons Anakin went to Palaptine to confide his feelings to. It's a character flaw that seems to have always been there.
 
I didn't mean any offense if my tone came off as condescending or anything. And I have found that a few of Leia's "kid takes charge" moments have not gone very well. And the times they have, it seems to be blind luck. Haha

And true, Obi-Wan *should* have recognized that and been proactive in comforting her. I agree. But I always felt that he was very comforting to Luke after Owen and Beru died. Obi-Wan has never been extremely empathetic, and that's one of the reasons Anakin went to Palaptine to confide his feelings to. It's a character flaw that seems to have always been there.
No offense taken at all...I didn't think you were being condescending...I know I can come across that way even when I'm not trying to be...I mostly try to be funny...lol. I guess your observation of Obi with Luke will make me " have to" go back and watch ANH for the "1 billionth" time...oh darn!!! Lol
 
No offense taken at all...I didn't think you were being condescending...I know I can come across that way even when I'm not trying to be...I mostly try to be funny...lol. I guess your observation of Obi with Luke will make me " have to" go back and watch ANH for the "1 billionth" time...oh darn!!! Lol
Haha

But yeah, Obi-Wan basically is like, "Hey, at least you're not dead and the droids didn't get captured."
And Luke declares he has nothing and that he wants to be a Jedi and Obi-Wan just nods.

Just always felt a bit like Obi-Wan didn't really care. Lol
 
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