Star Wars Obi-Wan Kenobi (tv series)

[James Kenobi 1138]

I also felt that Luke being pursued by an Inquisitor felt out of place. The whole idea of Luke wanting to leave Tatooine in the original movie is that nothing ever happened to him, that he wanted to have adventure in his life. He lived on a boring farm, with a boring Uncle and Aunt, yet now he had to flee from capture by a lightsaber weilding foe, and Owen and Beru are blaster-toting bad-asses. Yes, there are dangers on Tatooine, like Sandpeople, but this seemed like an extrodinary departure from the idea of Luke's banal existence.

The way the show set it up: Owen tells Luke it’s Sandpeople, they they keep him in the garage while they shoot at Reva when she arrives, then Beru goes in the garage while Owen continues to fight, when he gets knocked down he calls out to Beru who has Luke on the ladder ready to go out the top. Reva enters with no saber drawn, Beru hits her and is knocked down, and Beru tells Luke to go. Luke runs away and it takes Reva a min to go back through the homestead and up the stairs, all the while Luke is running away so he never actually sees a lit lightsaber or (in the dark) exactly who he’s running from. As far as Luke knows, it’s Sandpeople.

 

[CB2001]

The way the show set it up: Owen tells Luke it’s Sandpeople, they they keep him in the garage while they shoot at Reva when she arrives, then Beru goes in the garage while Owen continues to fight, when he gets knocked down he calls out to Beru who has Luke on the ladder ready to go out the top. Reva enters with no saber drawn, Beru hits her and is knocked down, and Beru tells Luke to go. Luke runs away and it takes Reva a min to go back through the homestead and up the stairs, all the while Luke is running away so he never actually sees a lit lightsaber or (in the dark) exactly who he’s running from. As far as Luke knows, it’s Sandpeople.

But there's a flaw with that idea: if Luke thinks its Sandpeople, and that they are capable of getting into his home, wouldn't he have exercised more caution instead of going to spot them with his binoculars in A New Hope? At that age, thinking it was Sandpeople and that it was one of them that got inside would have made Luke paranoid about Sandpeople to the point where he would have loaded R2 up on the Landspeeder and haul ass instead of staying in any proximity to them.

 

[Bloop]

The way the show set it up: Owen tells Luke it’s Sandpeople, they they keep him in the garage while they shoot at Reva when she arrives, then Beru goes in the garage while Owen continues to fight, when he gets knocked down he calls out to Beru who has Luke on the ladder ready to go out the top. Reva enters with no saber drawn, Beru hits her and is knocked down, and Beru tells Luke to go. Luke runs away and it takes Reva a min to go back through the homestead and up the stairs, all the while Luke is running away so he never actually sees a lit lightsaber or (in the dark) exactly who he’s running from. As far as Luke knows, it’s Sandpeople.

I understood that. My point was that even if they were attacked by sandpeople, that doesn't really fit with his boring life. I guess it's believable that sandpeople attack people's homes, I mean, stormtroopers tried to make it look like sandpeople killed Owen & Beru in ep IV. I guess you can argue that sandpeople attacks aren't the adventure Luke seeks, but I just don't like the idea. It works better for me to think they all lived a quiet farm life than to inject blasters and inquisitors into the lore.

Also, Ben just leaves, saying they don't need him to watch over Luke anymore? The one time he left, they get attacked and Luke gets taken by an inquisitor! I mean, she didn't follow through and hurt him, but nothing Ben or Owen & Beru did protected Luke. Yet Ben thinks, "welp, my work here is over!" Why wouldn't he think there's more of a threat to Luke now than before?

 

[kalkamel]

 

[James Kenobi 1138]

 

[Mottrex]

See we keep forgetting This is "Disney" they aren't too bad at rehashing fables...
But their Real life movies have always pretty much sucked (Herbie goes to monte carlo excluded)
I remember watching Run Coogar Run at the cinema in 76!..
I'm still slightly traumatised!

Least we forget Old Walt himself and Co were not averse to chucking Animals off cliffs, Dogs in swimming pools etc
All in the name of family entertainment..

 

[Joek3rr]

The winner of the droid design contest.

This was my entry for the contest.

 

[Riceball]

But there's a flaw with that idea: if Luke thinks its Sandpeople, and that they are capable of getting into his home, wouldn't he have exercised more caution instead of going to spot them with his binoculars in A New Hope? At that age, thinking it was Sandpeople and that it was one of them that got inside would have made Luke paranoid about Sandpeople to the point where he would have loaded R2 up on the Landspeeder and haul ass instead of staying in any proximity to them.

But it's some 9 years earlier and could have easily grown less cautious over the years, esp. now that he's a "fearless" teenager. He probably now thinks that he'll be ok so long as he's what he thinks is being careful.

 

[HMSwolfe]

Well, the one thing I can say about this show is that it’s giving everyone a good workout. All those mental gymnastics to reconcile everything…

 

[James Kenobi 1138]

 

[ScourgiousJinx]

That's my point though, Lucas's vision of what he wanted for Star Wars changed as often as he changed clothes. So how do you follow someone's vision of something when they have no clear idea of what their vision is for it themselves? Besides, Lucas sold Star Wars to Disney lock stock and barrel and for better or for worse, it's no there's to do with as they please. If Luca cared at all for his "vision" of Star Wars then he either wouldn't have sold the IP or had written something in the contract that while Disney now owns the IP he's still the Idea Man in Chief for the franchise and he gets final say over everything they do with it or something to that effect.

I fully understand that his vision changed and that he updated things as he saw fit. Doesn't mean it was a good idea. Nothing post ROTJ that is canon should've re-contextualize the OT. Doesn't matter if Lucas did it or not or who currently owns the rights. When something has that level of worldwide cultural impact for that long you don't touch it, even if you have the rights to.

 

[Psab keel]

Even if it doesn't retcon things, which is does, it still diminishes the meaning from the originals with every addition that recontextualizes it. If you have to constantly rethink how a 45 year old story works, either the original story doesn't work, or the things added to it don't. I think we all know the original worked and worked far better than people want to give it credit for.

I stand by the fact that this series is easily less egregious than other more recent additions, but it does present continuity problems.

 

[edge10]

I fully understand that his vision changed and that he updated things as he saw fit. Doesn't mean it was a good idea. Nothing post ROTJ that is canon should've re-contextualize the OT. Doesn't matter if Lucas did it or not or who currently owns the rights. When something has that level of worldwide cultural impact for that long you don't touch it, even if you have the rights to.

 

[HMSwolfe]

I also don’t get one thing. Why recontextualize the OT? It already worked. Sure, there were a few minor retcons back in the day, but the trilogy works. Why not recontextualize the prequels? Show that they happened “from a certain point of view”. It’s one of the main reasons I wanted to watched Kenobi in the first place—I was hoping we’d get some “flashbacks” that subtly adjusted the characters and dialogue, that made their relationships make more sense. It why, even though Hayden is clearly older, and the robes they’re wearing seem loose and poorly recreated, I don’t mind the flashback between them. There are sour notes, sure, but overall I got two feelings from it.

Anakin and Obi-Wan were at some point actually fond of each other.

Anakin struggled with the desire for power and the need to prove himself.

Why weren’t there more moments like this? Why didn’t they utilize Qui-Gon properly at all? Why did he look so…terrible when he actually showed up?

 

[James Kenobi 1138]

Even if it doesn't retcon things, which it still does...

What from the OT is retcon'ed via the Kenobi show?

 

[Psab keel]

It's been discussed over the last 171 pages but I'm happy to agree to disagree.

 

[janglesworthy]

I also don’t get one thing. Why recontextualize the OT? It already worked. Sure, there were a few minor retcons back in the day, but the trilogy works. Why not recontextualize the prequels? Show that they happened “from a certain point of view”. It’s one of the main reasons I wanted to watched Kenobi in the first place—I was hoping we’d get some “flashbacks” that subtly adjusted the characters and dialogue, that made their relationships make more sense. It why, even though Hayden is clearly older, and the robes they’re wearing seem loose and poorly recreated, I don’t mind the flashback between them. There are sour notes, sure, but overall I got two feelings from it.

Anakin and Obi-Wan were at some point actually fond of each other.

Anakin struggled with the desire for power and the need to prove himself.

Why weren’t there more moments like this? Why didn’t they utilize Qui-Gon properly at all? Why did he look so…terrible when he actually showed up?

I think Qui-Gon is the carrot for season 2 if they make one. You know there will be flashbacks and you know Mace will be in one of them if they go that route. Hold onto your MR Qui-Gon if you have one is all I'm saying.

 

[James Kenobi 1138]

It's been discussed over the last 171 pages but I'm happy to agree to disagree.

I was curious what your list was, since you mentioned it in a definitive statement. Not to argue, not to try to change your mind, I'm genuinely curious what you feel the Kenobi show retcon'ed about ANH.

Unless you meant to say "Even if it doesn't retcon things, which I believe it does, I feel it diminishes the meaning from the originals with every addition that recontextualizes it."

 

[Psab keel]

Recontextualizing is a form of retroactive continuity change. It's just a less abrasive term than retcon, which has more negative connotations, but they mean the same thing when all is said and done. I hope you know I'm not trying to be argumentative either. I'm sincerely happy you and many other fans enjoy the show. We just see it differently and there's nothing wrong with that.

 

[ScourgiousJinx]

Re-contextualizations are just as bad and unnecessary as retcons. If having new interpretations of characters that relate to whatever era is happening is so important then do so but make them legends and not canon like Lucas did with the EU. That way the original characters story will always make sense within the context it was originally told preserving its integrity. If this was a legends story it wouldn't be problematic because it would be presented as an alternate interpretation of characters instead of modern sensibilities thrust in the middle of an older story changing the way that story is read and interpreted.