JPH
Sr Member
Did anyone mention that you aren't *SUPPOSED* to be able to Force Pull lightsabers? EDIT : To Disarm. Wasn't that the big deal in Dark Forces or one o them Star Wars games?
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Star Wars Obi-Wan Kenobi (tv series)
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Did anyone mention that you aren't *SUPPOSED* to be able to Force Pull lightsabers? EDIT : To Disarm. Wasn't that the big deal in Dark Forces or one o them Star Wars games?
Wolfsburg
Master Member
I've felt for a good while now that most of the discourse here is civil, even among people that disagree. That is very refreshing compared to some communities I've seen. Even when I first joined here nearly 10 years ago, things seemed far more contentious than they are now.
And yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they just have Ben do a mindwipe on Leia, as if none of this eeeeeever happened! Maybe he'll implant memories of Leia's real mother while he's at it. I could actually kinda see them doing that, especially considering the conversation Ben and Leia had in the third episode.
And yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they just have Ben do a mindwipe on Leia, as if none of this eeeeeever happened! Maybe he'll implant memories of Leia's real mother while he's at it. I could actually kinda see them doing that, especially considering the conversation Ben and Leia had in the third episode.
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
And while he’s at it, he may as well put a mind IMPLANT at the same time. “There will be a farm boy in your future. He’ll be in bed after an accident. You’ll want to use him to get at your soon to be boyfriend….but for heaven’s sakes…DON’T KISS HIM! Can’t tell you why, just trust me on this…”
The question that comes to mind is why wiping Leia's mind, or Luke's, would benefit them? Surely it would only benefit Kenobi or the Organa's by hiding their failure to protect the children from danger. What a terrible way to portray people who are supposed to be heroic!
Not only would that prove they either shirked their responsibility, but also willfully manipulated the minds of two innocent children. If that ends up being the case then I personally have no clue how any fan could go along with that scenario, much less defend it. It's actually pretty sick if you ask me and makes any decision Kenobi made questionable at best, and criminal at worst. No child should trust an adult who would do such a thing. Holy repressed memories, Batman! That's sick.
Then again, this is one of many examples of how shoehorning in a story with known characters to fit in between trilogies presents problems that need addressing. Saying these details don't matter is the difference between a story that works and a hackjob to cover up sloppy writing. Stop saying those details don't matter because they do matter and they matter a hell of a lot.
When you establish a continuity and you fail to have it work within the story you're telling, by default, you've violated your own rules, or worse yet, the rules another author successfully established if its supposed to transition seamlessly into the next chapter.
It was sloppy enough when George had 3PO's mind wiped at the finale of ROTS when the droid simply shouldn't have been a direct witness to Anakin's actions. Do they really need to undermine these heroes further by having them make decisions that completely destroy every shred of their dignity? Are we really so desperate to let go and have their stories end that we're willing to settle for anything as long as we keep getting more?
There are FAR better ways to humanize a protagonist without having to completely recontextualize the narrative in order to do it. I miss the days when heroes were smart and had convictions they were willing to die for, even if that meant they'd lose their own life. Their willingness to sacrifice themselves for others is what defines them as heroes. The way these stories are written it makes heroes anything but heroic. It actually makes them cowards.
That's what's been missing from Star Wars for years. Heroes I can believe in. When Lucasfilm tells long time fans they have to rethink everything they spent 45 years loving, it only proves they don't understand their own property and what it represents to millions.
Not only would that prove they either shirked their responsibility, but also willfully manipulated the minds of two innocent children. If that ends up being the case then I personally have no clue how any fan could go along with that scenario, much less defend it. It's actually pretty sick if you ask me and makes any decision Kenobi made questionable at best, and criminal at worst. No child should trust an adult who would do such a thing. Holy repressed memories, Batman! That's sick.
Then again, this is one of many examples of how shoehorning in a story with known characters to fit in between trilogies presents problems that need addressing. Saying these details don't matter is the difference between a story that works and a hackjob to cover up sloppy writing. Stop saying those details don't matter because they do matter and they matter a hell of a lot.
When you establish a continuity and you fail to have it work within the story you're telling, by default, you've violated your own rules, or worse yet, the rules another author successfully established if its supposed to transition seamlessly into the next chapter.
It was sloppy enough when George had 3PO's mind wiped at the finale of ROTS when the droid simply shouldn't have been a direct witness to Anakin's actions. Do they really need to undermine these heroes further by having them make decisions that completely destroy every shred of their dignity? Are we really so desperate to let go and have their stories end that we're willing to settle for anything as long as we keep getting more?
There are FAR better ways to humanize a protagonist without having to completely recontextualize the narrative in order to do it. I miss the days when heroes were smart and had convictions they were willing to die for, even if that meant they'd lose their own life. Their willingness to sacrifice themselves for others is what defines them as heroes. The way these stories are written it makes heroes anything but heroic. It actually makes them cowards.
That's what's been missing from Star Wars for years. Heroes I can believe in. When Lucasfilm tells long time fans they have to rethink everything they spent 45 years loving, it only proves they don't understand their own property and what it represents to millions.
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Ladies and gentlemen…
I guarantee that this thread has devoted Waaaaaaay more more time and thought to the issue of why didn’t Obi-Wan and Leia seem to know each other in ANH if they had this adventure than the Kenobi show runners did in coming up with the plot.
At most, they spent a few days breaking the story and none of the things brought up in this thread…or the circuitous logic now being used to justify the Kenobi story, by writers in this thread (“Well she didn’t exactly say that she DIDN’T know him in ANH, did she?? So, it’s entirely possible…”) ever came up.
Sloppy writing causes a lot of funny outcomes to occur.
I guarantee that this thread has devoted Waaaaaaay more more time and thought to the issue of why didn’t Obi-Wan and Leia seem to know each other in ANH if they had this adventure than the Kenobi show runners did in coming up with the plot.
At most, they spent a few days breaking the story and none of the things brought up in this thread…or the circuitous logic now being used to justify the Kenobi story, by writers in this thread (“Well she didn’t exactly say that she DIDN’T know him in ANH, did she?? So, it’s entirely possible…”) ever came up.
Sloppy writing causes a lot of funny outcomes to occur.
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That's why I give no credit to the idea that these writers live and breathe Star Wars the way they often claim. They might like it in their own way, but that view is often through the lens of nostalgia (JJ) , or hero worship towards Lucas (Filoni), or Marvel's approach (Favraeu), or subversion (Johnson), or money (Iger), or politics (Kennedy), and not through story. I don't doubt their personal conviction to their own view of what Star Wars means, but too few really seem to grasp what made the material work so damn well in the first place. Story comes first. It always has, it always should. If that story doesn't work, no amount of production value matters. No casting choice makes a difference. No director and all the accolades they carry hold an ounce of weight if that script sucks. That's why I rarely, if ever, come down on the production side of this equation. Everything is in service to that script, for good or ill.
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CopperRevan
Master Member
Even Han solo in the moment recognized the need to use a Lightsaber to help his friend
Kenobi had plenty
probably would have helped some...even though Storm Troopers have really bad aim
Instead, this had to happen
Kenobi had plenty
probably would have helped some...even though Storm Troopers have really bad aim
Instead, this had to happen
In my Multiverse they did..
Garsa and Ben?
That could work... And explain why he got old so quick lol.
CopperRevan
Master Member
How many years back from the BOBf? Obi-Wan did say Mos Eisley was a hive of scum and villainy, but he said nothing of Mos Espa...She would be around Reva's age maybe? A little older? I just really like her character...she's smart, sophisticated...she's a "survivor" (shameless plug for a great band)
And a LOT more intriguing than others. What a shame she's gone...
Thank you Disney for that character...I have to be fair and give credit where credit is due...I have no problem making a top ten of things they have done right.
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"Twi'leks have long lifespans due to their fey blood, they reach adulthood at 16 years but then aging seems to slow down reaching middle age around 200 years old, old age at 300 years, and venerable at 450 years old"
So... You never know.
She was certainly a standout character in TBOBF and woefully underutilised, she should have been connected to Crimson Dawn or the overlords of Tatooine.
After watching Kenobi, TBOBF seems exciting in comparison, different shows but no Real sense of fear or dread. I know they can't die but some genuine tension might be nice.
I'm guessing it's hopefully not a limited series so will be given more time to bloom.
Maybe.. Ewan and Hayden excluded needed a more established cast of actors to join the fold and flesh it out.
The Raden inquisitor did look a much more thought out character design and looked great but thrown away at least so far.. I felt he could have actually gone Toe to toe with Vader.
Marvel seem to do it quite well with established actors, Owen Wilson was a Superb choice in Loki and look who they had for Moff Gideon in The Mandalorian.
And just throwing in my penny in on the Leia/Kenobi thing.. Wasn't she hastily recording that message whilst on the blockade runner being hunted by Stormtroopers ?
Being slightly pressed for time.. Pleasantries were maybe not her main concern..
Edit Spelling of Leia oops
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sbaxter
Sr Member
< spit take >
They did? I'd love to see the documentation on that!
I was nine years-old in 1977 and seeing the original Star Wars was a transformative, seminal experience, followed closely by ESB and RotJ. And I loved the prequels. Maybe not in exactly the same way (I wasn't nine anymore), or for exactly the same reasons (again, not nine), but I did love them and still do.
I don't mind people talking about things they don't like and (optionally, but preferably) giving reasons for it. I have, however, grown weary of the ridiculous, over the top hyperbole that leaves legitimate criticism behind and degenerates into nothing more than a creative insult contest. After 20-plus years of prequel-bashing, I still love Star Wars. My enthusiasm for Star Wars fandom, however … has not aged as well.
SSB
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CopperRevan
Master Member
I hear you man, I have a different view. I'm more enthusiastic for the Fandom at this point, especially after the OT. Why? Because its the Fandom that has a higher appreciation for Star Wars than anybody else. Look at what the fans have done. This is called the RPF because the Fandom has created/ recreated props that are far superior to that of the corporations...more than Hasbro, more than Disney etc. I believe the fans are keeping Star Wars alive, not the Disney machine that keeps pumping product out. If we don't buy it, the love of Star Wars continues anyway. The least they can do is pay us by providing a well, thought out storyline that doesn't contradict itself and something new. The minute the Fandom dies, then they have nothing. So whether or not the Fandom is critical or not, the end result should be better products and you all have produced amazing things here on the RPF.
On the plus side these days you can have a discussion with friends, acquaintances from All over the planet.. How cool is that!
Opinions are bound to differ but so are our memories of events of things we love/hate and discuss..
I had to watch SW twice in 77 both times with my nan..
The que was so long by the time we got in... Luke was heading for the Cantina!
It was an Easy second watch
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These discussions have only cemented my love for those original three films. I loved them growing up and I recognize their simplistic brilliance as an adult. That will never change. I don't fault anyone for loving the new material. I may not understand why, but I'm sincerely happy that people still get enjoyment out of the new stories. I wish I did too, but I can live without. At the end of the day we're all here because we love this thing, even if our ways of expressing it differs. I consider you friends, even if we butt heads at times.
Joek3rr
Master Member
And I'm kinda like that too. Even though I like a lot of stuff you don't. I always come back to the OT. Yes I love the Prequels and the Sequels, and Rebels, and The Clone Wars(both shows), but I love the OT more.
