Star Wars Obi-Wan Kenobi (tv series)

I still stick with "a person can enjoy this". Not putting down those who are having issues with OB1, but I enjoy it. My wife enjoys it, my kids enjoy it, my friends all like it. It seems that only those people here on RPF, at least in my universe, have anything negative to say. Again, not saying all y'all are wrong - I just wouldn't hold (many of) your viewpoints as being mainstream.
Honestly, i take not being in the mainstream as a huge compliment. Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's good. If the mainstream likes spam...good for the mainstream. have at it. I happen to prefer a nice grilled steak, medium rare with sauteed mushrooms and garlic with some balsamic glaze.
 
Battlestar Galactica (the new series). Because it was set up in the show's DNA right from the beginning.
As much as I enjoyed BG that always bothered me about it.
I still stick with "a person can enjoy this". Not putting down those who are having issues with OB1, but I enjoy it. My wife enjoys it, my kids enjoy it, my friends all like it. It seems that only those people here on RPF, at least in my universe, have anything negative to say. Again, not saying all y'all are wrong - I just wouldn't hold (many of) your viewpoints as being mainstream.
That depends on your context, circle of friends, etc. I've experienced the opposite. I know quite a few massive Disney era SW fans who think that this show and BOBF are either sub par at best or atrocious. A few of which cancelled their D+ subscriptions as a result. Some enjoy it. The majority give it overall thumbs down but I wouldn't I guess to establish what is mainstream based on my own subjective experience. Also not saying you're wrong because I truly don't know at this point.

I agree that people are always free to enjoy and not enjoy whatever they so chose.
 
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Bad ideas are bad ideas, no matter who writes them. When Lucas ran his company, he caught flak for his bad choices. Now that Disney owns Lucasfilm, they catch flak for their bad choices. It's only fair to hold those at the top to the same standards. Likewise when they make good choices they should be acknowledged.
 
I have zero issue with nitpicking, I just wish people would stop pretending that George was a genius and this would never have happened under him... It's not cuz Disney... (well maybe the oversaturation of market is... but the demand is clearly there)

I mean if Disney made Jedi, and Episode 3 "The Ewoks" dropped, people would go NUTS!

"They just used AT-AT's in the forest?! They couldn't come up with a new design!?!"

"Who made Leia's dress?! The Ewoks?! Who braided her hair?!"

"The Ewoks were going to eat Han and Luke and then they helped them defeat the Government?! Talk about playing with your food!"

"Oh sure they have wood gliders AND can fly a speederbike?!"

"NO ORIGINALITY! It's just in the woods?! At least tattoine was in a desert... those are redwoods! Where's the local tourist shop!"

"Oh sure, a biker scout can be knocked over with a tap to his leg by a branch held by a teddy bear?!"

"Why is Chewbacca eating rotting meat from a tree!!! he's not a wild beast!!! Cuz they needed to fall for a trap?! F*CK DISNEY! THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WOOKIES!!!"

These were randomly off the top of my head. Jedi is a baller flick and I love it...

But stop pretending what Disney is doing is so much worse than what Lucas would do....
So no credit to George as a genius?
The Ewok movies were cute but sucked(Not a part of the OT)
They used AT-ST's in the woods too
So...the Ewoks weren't original?
People complain about the desert so much...now the woods?
We knew nothing of wookies up to that point
Have you ever been hit in the leg by a Teddy Bear?...It smarts like hell

Disney is doing so much worse because they are using the foundation of what George created, especially the characters and redefining them...they are not better or evolved..quite the opposite AND THEIR GREATEST SIN is infusing their political agenda and blurring the lines of good and evil and can't even connect the dots to a story that has been handed them on a silver platter. That my friend is plain pathetic!! Let's revisit this argument when Disney can produce an original series with original characters(not borrowed from the OT ) and original plot lines that do not pander to social politics. Then and only then will we be able to have common ground and compare apples to apples . comparing apples to oranges just wastes time. The real hypocrisy lies with the fact that we say this Star Wars Universe is so huge yet Disney, since owning it, has kept it within the parameters of the OT ...either after it, with OT characters or within the framework of the PT...also Georges work.

Please Disney!!! do everyone a favor here and really be original and go BEYOND....way beyond. They won't because they will milk it for all its worth first.
 
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So no credit to George as a genius?
The Ewok movies were cute but sucked(Not a part of the OT)
They used AT-ST's in the woods
So...the Ewoks weren't original?
People complain about the desert so much...now the woods?
We knew nothing of wookies up to that point
Have you ever been hit in the leg by a Teddy Bear?...It smarts like hell
I give George all the credit he deserves... but he aint Tarantino...

Marketing genius for sure... and sure knows how to take other's ideas and repackage with solid story (taking from Dune... serials.... etc), Tarantino style....

But George has had as many bad ideas as great... I mean really bad. I mean Han shooting first bad... CG upgrades bad.... Howard the Duck bad...

And I know there are AT-ST's... but Luke is delivered to Vader in an AT-AT... and I think we knew a being with the ability to repair and fly a starship wouldn't eat a dead animal head like a mindless dog.

Did y'all see the Shield generator explode and destroy multiple miles of forest on Endor's moon... that Han just ran 20 feet into? George is given a pass, but Disney would be draaaaaged for that. Either both deserve the dragging or neither.

BTW... I finally got 80's plush Ewoks as an adult... I'm an Ewok stan. But I can definitely watch their two George Lucas approved flicks and see how crappy they are as a Lucas money grab.

Starcruiser, CRASH! Indeed.
 
The way I see it, the biggest change since Disney has been the way fans interact with one another. Expressing displeasure with Lucas for bad choices was perfectly acceptable and few really cared, but the second Disney took over it seems continuing to call out poor choices was suddenly blasphemous. I don't get it. If calling out the good and the bad was totally cool under Lucas's tenure, why does the current leadership get a pass?

Then again I think this shift has just as much to do with the current culture so it's not just with Disney/ Lucasfilm specifically. I think the other thing that differentiates the changes they've made to the canon is that while George made some really, really questionable choices to his story, it was still HIS story. Granted I understand that doesn't excuse a dumb idea, but it does at least explain the natural reflex to give him more leniency than the company that was tasked with heralding it into the future.

Like I said, a bad idea is a bad idea, no matter who comes up with it. It's just interesting that Disney is constantly given a free pass to do whatever, and Lucas got eviscerated for some of the same things. Granted social media wasn't much of a thing when Lucas was making the Prequels, so perhaps the noise sounds louder in the present with Disney, but I remember some seriously nasty things coming out against Lucas back in the day from all over the internet and in the media. So it's not just Disney that's faced the criticisms.
 
Weird I kinda see it the other way... NOW... Back in the day, before Disney, Lucas really got it. Redlettermedia kinda exploded the gates on that one. Brought complaining about Star Wars into the "profitable and fame making" realm.

And I defended and criticized George at the time...

But weirdly with the changeover to Disney, people wanna rag on Disney so much they are defending George to a level that to me seems... weird.

Weird that suddenly George's biggest messes are getting a pass cuz there's a new villain. Easier to hate a corporation than a man... which I get. But Disney just writes the cheques... the properties aren't written in a board room by suits. There's still the same art departments... same structure for film making (though for sure updated)... but if ILM was still run by George, and any of these shows were being made, it would be exactly the same process... Instead of George walking onto the set and nodding approval, it's Favreau or Filoni... but the artists are still top notch. The writers are still writing and getting their "yeah okay" approvals with all the lazy critique of Lucas's Clone Wars projects.

There seems to be this weird fantasy that George sat in a room surrounded by maquettes and wonder, reading the script for the Holiday Special, and thinking "It's my vision, and I love and care for every detail..." as they use office chairs for the millennium falcon set and slapped together a half-assed lightsaber for Luke. And because it was his vision, it's all good.

But Disney, they don't see it. If THEY made the Holiday Special, they'd have made it where Lumpy was a girl! And Life Day was something DUMB... and Carrie's life day song would have been covered by some young tween to make it radio friendly!

*I dunno why I'm rambling in this thread... I'm supposed to be working, hah.
 
Did y'all see the Shield generator explode and destroy multiple miles of forest on Endor's moon... that Han just ran 20 feet into? George is given a pass, but Disney would be draaaaaged for that. Either both deserve the dragging or neither.
I gotta be that guy.... Han was running away from the back door. The shield dish and the front entrance was on the other side of the ridge.
 
I have zero issue with nitpicking, I just wish people would stop pretending that George was a genius and this would never have happened under him... It's not cuz Disney... (well maybe the oversaturation of market is... but the demand is clearly there)

I mean if Disney made Jedi, and Episode 3 "The Ewoks" dropped, people would go NUTS!

"They just used AT-AT's in the forest?! They couldn't come up with a new design!?!"

"Who made Leia's dress?! The Ewoks?! Who braided her hair?!"

"The Ewoks were going to eat Han and Luke and then they helped them defeat the Government?! Talk about playing with your food!"

"Oh sure they have wood gliders AND can fly a speederbike?!"

"NO ORIGINALITY! It's just in the woods?! At least tattoine was in a desert... those are redwoods! Where's the local tourist shop!"

"Oh sure, a biker scout can be knocked over with a tap to his leg by a branch held by a teddy bear?!"

"Why is Chewbacca eating rotting meat from a tree!!! he's not a wild beast!!! Cuz they needed to fall for a trap?! F*CK DISNEY! THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WOOKIES!!!"

These were randomly off the top of my head. Jedi is a baller flick and I love it...

But stop pretending what Disney is doing is so much worse than what Lucas would do....
Nitpicking Star Wars is nerd equivalent of platonic flirting.
 
IS THIS A STARSHIP FOR ANTS?!?!

I'm crying over here. That seriously made me laugh! Imagine Zoolander in this!!!!!! They should do a crossover. hahahahahaha

I've always been after the writing. Always the writing. If it's good, great. If it's bad, I'm inclined to speak my mind about it. Whether Lucas did it or Rian Johnson, or Chris Terrio, whoever. If the idea works, I'm on board. Lucas is no saint, but neither is Johnson, or Filoni, or Favreau. George has his strengths, but he's by no means perfect. I was just trying to explain perhaps why people are more inclined to give him a pass. I'm not suggesting he deserves one if his idea sucks. Same with Favreau or whoever writes these stories. I never understood the idea that Filoni was the "savior" of Star Wars either, so I don't want to be lumped into that camp.

I never fault the actors, the set designers, the art department, the effects department, the costume dept. Those people are just doing their job. To bring the written word to life. It always come down to that. The written word. It always has and it always will. So if an actor gives a crumby performance, or a costume design is lame, or a chase scene is boring, that's at least 95% the writing.

Nitpicking Star Wars is nerd equivalent of platonic flirting.
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I'm crying over here. That seriously made me laugh! Imagine Zoolander in this!!!!!! They should do a crossover. hahahahahaha

I've always been after the writing. Always the writing. If it's good, great. If it's bad, I'm inclined to speak my mind about it. Whether Lucas did it or Rian Johnson, or Chris Terrio, whoever. If the idea works, I'm on board. Lucas is no saint, but neither is Johnson, or Filoni, or Favreau. George has his strengths, but he's by no means perfect. I was just trying to explain perhaps why people are more inclined to give him a pass. I'm not suggesting he deserves one if his idea sucks. Same with Favreau or whoever writes these stories. I never understood the idea that Filoni was the "savior" of Star Wars either, so I don't want to be lumped into that camp.

I never fault the actors, the set designers, the art department, the effects department, the costume dept. Those people are just doing their job. To bring the written word to life. It always come down to that. The written word. It always has and it always will. So if an actor gives a crumby performance, or a costume design is lame, or a chase scene is boring, that's at least 95% the writing.


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blue glowy status? I feel like I completed the internet.
 
I gotta be that guy.... Han was running away from the back door. The shield dish and the front entrance was on the other side of the ridge.
GO GO GO GO GO!

(Runs 20 feet from back door)


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You all have no idea how much you entertain me. Sincerely I really do appreciate you all. You're killing me with these posts! :lol:
 
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But where they've gone is behind the dish. On the other side of the ridge. The explosion doesn't go over that. You can also a different ridge behind the dish right before it explodes. Either way, a small mountain is between them and the dish.
I don’t follow. They set the bombs and ran out… the explosion didn’t happen 20 miles away….
 
I have zero issue with nitpicking, I just wish people would stop pretending that George was a genius and this would never have happened under him... It's not cuz Disney... (well maybe the oversaturation of market is... but the demand is clearly there)

I mean if Disney made Jedi, and Episode 3 "The Ewoks" dropped, people would go NUTS!

"They just used AT-AT's in the forest?! They couldn't come up with a new design!?!"

"Who made Leia's dress?! The Ewoks?! Who braided her hair?!"

"The Ewoks were going to eat Han and Luke and then they helped them defeat the Government?! Talk about playing with your food!"

"Oh sure they have wood gliders AND can fly a speederbike?!"

"NO ORIGINALITY! It's just in the woods?! At least tattoine was in a desert... those are redwoods! Where's the local tourist shop!"

"Oh sure, a biker scout can be knocked over with a tap to his leg by a branch held by a teddy bear?!"

"Why is Chewbacca eating rotting meat from a tree!!! he's not a wild beast!!! Cuz they needed to fall for a trap?! F*CK DISNEY! THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WOOKIES!!!"

These were randomly off the top of my head. Jedi is a baller flick and I love it...

But stop pretending what Disney is doing is so much worse than what Lucas would do....

And don't forget the biggest and dumbest of them all: "Hold your fire, there are no life forms. It must have short circuited."
If that can get a pass, everything else can :lol:
 
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