Star Wars Obi-Wan Kenobi (tv series)

The fact that most fans still give any of these shows and movies a chance speaks volumes about their optimism. Even the ones who ultimately dislike what they're given, they still subscribe to Disney+ and actively engage in discussion, often sharing Star Wars with their kids or friends. Do people honestly percieve that as negativity?
 
Psab keel said:
The fact that most fans still give any of these shows and movies a chance speaks volumes about their optimism. Even the ones who ultimately dislike what they're given, they still subscribe to Disney+ and actively engage in discussion, often sharing Star Wars with their kids or friends. Do people honestly percieve that as negativity?
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If this was based on what i said, it was a personal conviction on my part. I personally do not think it's negative to criticize Star Wars shows are whatever and point out the good with the bad, as long as it's done to better the overall product...with that being said, i know my own heart and i personally was really grinding this show down because of my extreme dislike for it and it was causing issues in me...i'm not speaking for everybody...I may like Star Wars a little too much and that might be my biggest problem...lol. I just don't want to be angry anymore, honestly. Don't take that as weakness or that i will water my opinions down, it's just i will restrain my distaste a little more and not let it negatively affect me...i'm sure others will celebrate that fact...lol.
 
I don't normally do this but the writing and contrive plot points are getting so bad I have to.....

So trackers make droids evil?
Why didn't Tala use the Thermal Detonator earlier
Why didn't they use the second shuttle to get the other people out
Why didn't Vader stop the second shuttle
Why didn't the Star Destroyer blow it up as it left the planet

I could literally pose a question and better solution for just about every plot point they set up

I watch these type of back story shows with very low expectations and normally can enjoy them, but this series is just getting unbearable
 
CopperRevan said:
If this was based on what i said, it was a personal conviction on my part. I personally do not think it's negative to criticize Star Wars shows are whatever and point out the good with the bad, as long as it's done to better the overall product...with that being said, i know my own heart and i personally was really grinding this show down because of my extreme dislike for it and it was causing issues in me...i'm not speaking for everybody...I may like Star Wars a little too much and that might be my biggest problem...lol. I just don't want to be angry anymore, honestly. Don't take that as weakness or that i will water my opinions down, it's just i will restrain my distaste a little more and not let it negatively affect me...i'm sure others will celebrate that fact...lol.
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No my response was in regard to those who view commentary here as being overly negative. My point was that the vast majority of fans are willing to give each new show or movie a shot. Even if they ultimately don't like it, they still take the time to give everything a fair shake. How can that be perceived as negative?

I just find it ironic that for a group that obsesses over the most minute of details to replicate props to an exacting degree, that many don't hold the stories to the same standards. I can't separate those two in my mind. Either details matter, or they don't. Having a standard for quality doesn't make you a snob. It's what allows you to form an opinion.
 
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CopperRevan said:
Confessions of a middle aged Star Wars Fan

Good morning Star Wars fans of all shapes and sizes, Pt's, OT's and ST's
Mando's, Boba's and Kenobi's...

I've done a lot of thinking last night...about the truth.
The truth about how i feel about Star Wars...
Why i feel it, and what makes me tick about it.
What irritates me about it, why i love it, you get the picture.
I only tell you because i know i'm not alone...
I'm not bigger, better, smarter, wiser or in any way, more right than any of you.
I'm just a fan...that's all. I like what i like, as you do.

Star Wars(The OT) was lightning in a bottle. I believe that.
The original cast believed that because it was, just that.
The truth i came to last night is that "The magic of Star Wars"
is NOT gone for me.
But it is still contained within the OT.
Outside of it, the magic is gone...or atleast i thought it was until Mando
came on.
I can be a hypocrite...I don't want anyone to touch my precious OT characters
but admittedly, when i saw Luke Skywalker pop back on screen in Mandalorian
I got really choked up because it brought me back in time to a feeling i haven't experienced
since.
So yes, i wanted my cake and eat it too.

Truth be told, the bar is set really high in my mind and even though i know Star Wars will never be what it was to me as a kid,
I still compare everything that comes out to the OT.
I thought last night about kids that grew up in the PT time and my own son who really likes the current stuff(Except the ST...sorry)
and how these memories are what they will be carrying forward.
To quote Mikey from Goonies, "Up there it's their time, down here it's our time" (paraphrased).

I have to admit that "my time" is over and i have to come to terms with that...yep, my heart is stuck in the 80s lol
I don't want to let go...because it feels like i'm letting go a piece of myself and letting it die.
dying to self is not easy...impossible in your own strength.
With that i must say i still get great enjoyment out of seeing my son get excited for Star Wars even though, for me it's blah...lol

I'm not trying to be funny when i say this but i must say that i cannot allow myself to sour the taste for others any longer and
i truly apologize for admittedly being a little over bearing and negative. I don not know all of you personally but i know you
all must love Star Wars or else you wouldn't be here. My love for Star Wars is not superior to yours .
Again, this is a personal conviction on my part, not to cut anyone else down that has strong opinions either way.
I honestly wish all of us here could buy this franchise because it's US that really care about it and will give it proper treatment.

With that i apologize again if i have caused any other fan distaste and even though i believe EVERY fan has a voice, i also believe that i have the freedom to use some restraint and not be completely selfish(pointing finger at me).
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I'm going through something kinda sorta similar. So I don't repeat myself see, my long post over in 'Let's talk all things Star Wars.' But mine has to do with the EU vs Canon. When the Canon reset happened. I was pretty bummed. But slowly through The Clone Wars and Rebels, I came to prefer Canon. But with Disney+ subscription up in November I felt little frustrated. I want to show my son the Star Wars content, the stuff that I enjoyed. And I enjoyed a lot of the new stuff. But then I began reminiscing on how much I enjoyed the EU. So I'm slowly divorcing myself from "Canon." And I've made the decision that my son will grow up on what I grew up on. The EU. Canon is just leaving me behind. And that's okay. So unless they start dropping some of the shows on DVD, I can live with them. (Though I've been horrible tempted to get bootleg DVDs from Amazon....:oops:)
 
Boba Debt said:
I don't normally do this but the writing and contrive plot points are getting so bad I have to.....

So trackers make droids evil?
Why didn't Tala use the Thermal Detonator earlier
Why didn't they use the second shuttle to get the other people out
Why didn't Vader stop the second shuttle
Why didn't the Star Destroyer blow it up as it left the planet

I could literally pose a question and better solution for just about every plot point they set up

I watch these type of back story shows with very low expectations and normally can enjoy them, but this series is just getting unbearable
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It had a restraining bolt. It seemed she had some control over it.

I don't think Vader wants to just obliterate Obi-Wan with a Star Destroyer.
 
Psab keel said:
No my response was in regard to those who view commentary here as being overly negative. My point was that the vast majority of fans are willing to give each new show or movie a shot. Even if they ultimately don't like it, they still take the time to give everything a fair shake. How can that be perceived as negative?

I just find it ironic that for a group that obsesses over the most minute of details to replicate props to an exacting degree, that many don't hold the stories to the same standards. I can't separate those two in my mind. Having a standard for quality doesn't make you a snob. It's what allows you to form an opinion.
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Amen brother!!! That is way my standard in Star Wars is the OT. What else do we have to compare anything in the Star Wars universe to? If another fan lowers the standard but still enjoys it then what can I say against it? The problem, like most things in this world, is the substitution for quality to make a quick buck. Oh...what the love of money does!!!. We have producers of goods and consumers of goods. There used to be a rule in economics about supply and demand. Consumers used to dictate what was being supplied and if they demanded quality then the suppliers either gave good product or they were run out of business by someone who would. Now the consumers have lowered their standards and it saves the suppliers a lot of money to keep producing junk because consumers have become slaves to their own lusts..." please..just give me atleast some Star Wars crumbs or I'll die" . The sharks understand full well that they smell blood and simply move in for the kill, so who is at fault? We both know the answer.

What are we willing to settle for? I will not compromise, i can tell you that but convincing those who will, is no easy task and I know your heart and you know mine that we both want " greatness" in storyline, characters etc.

Me personally? We can fire Disney by simply not buying their garbage...any of it. Then it goes into someone else's hands and what will they do? Probably the same thing...pander to worldly propaganda to appeal to the masses, retell Star Wars with their own agenda. All it takes is one drop of red dye in a glass of water to affect the appearance of the whole and the only way to get it back to the original clear water is to continually pour running water into, pushing the red dye back out. Without pushback it won't change and i wonder if even that will be enough. I remain hopeful but not naive.
 
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_Lee_ said:
Star Wars is just a cash cow now and it is so annoying but one thing they can never deny many of us is the fact we lived through the OT years.
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What do you mean that it's just cash cow now? Star Wars has been a cash cow since RotJ, maybe even before when Star Wars was slapped on every kind of product possible from school supplies, to party supplies, to toys, and everything in between.
 
I obsess over detail, and I know many here do too. It's the reason why this community is so amazing that we can make replicas to the degree that they're identical to what we see on the screen. I just have a hard time understanding how those same standards of analysis and thought aren't applied to the writing of the new material. I know everyone comes to their own conclusions based on their bias, so I'm not discounting that and while it shouldn't have to be said, clearly it bears repeating, that everyone is entitled to love whatever they want. All are welcome!

What I'm suggesting is that there are generally accepted standards within fiction that determine what makes up a good story. Saying those either don't exist, or don't matter does nothing to further the conversation and stifling observations that point out inconsistency should help to improve a product, not detract from it. It's perfectly healthy to talk about what didn't work just as much as talking about what did.
 
Psab keel said:
I obsess over detail, and I know many here do too. It's the reason why this community is so amazing that we can make replicas to the degree that they're identical to what we see on the screen. I just have a hard time understanding how those same standards of analysis and thought aren't applied to the writing of the new material. I know everyone comes to their own conclusions based on their bias, so I'm not discounting that and while it shouldn't have to be said, clearly it bears repeating, that everyone is entitled to love whatever they want. All are welcome!

What I'm suggesting is that there are generally accepted standards within fiction that determine what makes up a good story. Saying those either don't exist, or don't matter does nothing to further the conversation and stifling observations that point out inconsistency should help to improve a product, not detract from it. It's perfectly healthy to talk about what didn't work just as much as talking about what did.
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I'm with you my friend
 
Joek3rr said:
I'm going through something kinda sorta similar. So I don't repeat myself see, my long post over in 'Let's talk all things Star Wars.' But mine has to do with the EU vs Canon. When the Canon reset happened. I was pretty bummed. But slowly through The Clone Wars and Rebels, I came to prefer Canon. But with Disney+ subscription up in November I felt little frustrated. I want to show my son the Star Wars content, the stuff that I enjoyed. And I enjoyed a lot of the new stuff. But then I began reminiscing on how much I enjoyed the EU. So I'm slowly divorcing myself from "Canon." And I've made the decision that my son will grow up on what I grew up on. The EU. Canon is just leaving me behind. And that's okay. So unless they start dropping some of the shows on DVD, I can live with them. (Though I've been horrible tempted to get bootleg DVDs from Amazon....:oops:)
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don't fall for the temptation...not worth it
 
Shaky camera work "can" work if used sparingly, but often the action sequences in movies and television are muddled by it. Which is a shame because there's so much choreography and work that goes into pacing out a complex sequence and too often all that work isn't seen with this technique.
 
I still stick with "a person can enjoy this". Not putting down those who are having issues with OB1, but I enjoy it. My wife enjoys it, my kids enjoy it, my friends all like it. It seems that only those people here on RPF, at least in my universe, have anything negative to say. Again, not saying all y'all are wrong - I just wouldn't hold (many of) your viewpoints as being mainstream.
 
I have zero issue with nitpicking, I just wish people would stop pretending that George was a genius and this would never have happened under him... It's not cuz Disney... (well maybe the oversaturation of market is... but the demand is clearly there)

I mean if Disney made Jedi, and Episode 3 "The Ewoks" dropped, people would go NUTS!

"They just used AT-AT's in the forest?! They couldn't come up with a new design!?!"

"Who made Leia's dress?! The Ewoks?! Who braided her hair?!"

"The Ewoks were going to eat Han and Luke and then they helped them defeat the Government?! Talk about playing with your food!"

"Oh sure they have wood gliders AND can fly a speederbike?!"

"NO ORIGINALITY! It's just in the woods?! At least tattoine was in a desert... those are redwoods! Where's the local tourist shop!"

"Oh sure, a biker scout can be knocked over with a tap to his leg by a branch held by a teddy bear?!"

"Why is Chewbacca eating rotting meat from a tree!!! he's not a wild beast!!! Cuz they needed to fall for a trap?! F*CK DISNEY! THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WOOKIES!!!"

These were randomly off the top of my head. Jedi is a baller flick and I love it...

But stop pretending what Disney is doing is so much worse than what Lucas would do....
 
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