STAR WARS Hero X Wing Scratchbuild from Maxi Brute

Re: 1/24 Hero X Wing Build

MonsieurTox said:
Great job so far !
How close is the maxi-brute from the original ? I remember Bill George used a maxi-brute for his own build up, correct me if Im wrong !

Which one will you depict ?
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Hey tox what is a Maxi-brute? In Trinidad that would be like a 4
wheel drive Taxi!!:lol
 
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3d-builder said:
Hey tox what is a Maxi-brute? In Trinidad that would be like a 4 wheel drive Taxi!!:lol
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That's great!

"Maxi-Brute" was the name given by the Estes model rocket company to their line of "larger" model rockets.

Among them was a "Maxi-Brute X-Wing" which was reported to be the same size as the original studio models used in the first movie made.
 
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ILMwannabe said:
That's great!

"Maxi-Brute" was the name given by the Estes model rocket company to their line of "larger" model rockets.

Among them was a "Maxi-Brute X-Wing" which was reported to be the same size as the original studio models used in the first movie made.
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AHHHHH? Ok great thats real cool stuff thanks for the info!!:thumbsup
 
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Right click save as... thanks to PHArchivist for that comprehensive fuselage comparison. You're gonna need to build a Vader TIE to keep my X from your thermal exhaust port. Keep it clean fellas. Just talking about that moo- er- space station.

Up until now I had been counting on the MB (the new official Maxi Brute abbreviation) being based on what seems to be the visual ambassador and the first X wing constructed, Red 2, formerly Blue Leader. We know it was sent overseas to be the reference for the full size version on set. We can also see production photos of it tacked up on the walls for hero build reference. Been trying to match my camera angles to some reference... but have been staring at Red 2 for way too long. As a result, more questions...

It was my understanding, as the first X built, it featured custom scratchbuilt engines. Except that those engines look they are based on the same master as the rest. Look past the drawn on lines and various colored weatering and you will see that the location of the thin rod that extends from the seam to the tiny panther bracket is in the same exact spot. Also the panels added close to the seam are the same as all engines. I don't see anyway the panels were added later. I am going to assume that either hero engine halves have been modified or that the master itself has undergone changes before the rest of the Hero Xs were made. Two thin strips near the turkey feathers aside... I don't see any variation on those added panels on all Xs, and I will be adding them to my master.

Has anyone bothered to ID the parts on those Red 2 engines? Looks like there might be more of that tiny jagdpanther on there.

What are you doing with yours atom? Looking forward to seeing yours.:thumbsup
 
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Hopefully with some cockpit parts IDs? Hey a guy can dream...

Cleaning it out now try again in a few minutes.
 
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Re: 1/24 Hero X Wing Build

incrediPAUL said:
Right click save as... thanks to PHArchivist for that comprehensive fuselage comparison. You're gonna need to build a Vader TIE to keep my X from your thermal exhaust port. Keep it clean fellas. Just talking about that moo- er- space station.

Up until now I had been counting on the MB (the new official Maxi Brute abbreviation) being based on what seems to be the visual ambassador and the first X wing constructed, Red 2, formerly Blue Leader. We know it was sent overseas to be the reference for the full size version on set. We can also see production photos of it tacked up on the walls for hero build reference. Been trying to match my camera angles to some reference... but have been staring at Red 2 for way too long. As a result, more questions...

It was my understanding, as the first X built, it featured custom scratchbuilt engines. Except that those engines look they are based on the same master as the rest. Look past the drawn on lines and various colored weatering and you will see that the location of the thin rod that extends from the seam to the tiny panther bracket is in the same exact spot. Also the panels added close to the seam are the same as all engines. I don't see anyway the panels were added later. I am going to assume that either hero engine halves have been modified or that the master itself has undergone changes before the rest of the Hero Xs were made. Two thin strips near the turkey feathers aside... I don't see any variation on those added panels on all Xs, and I will be adding them to my master.

Has anyone bothered to ID the parts on those Red 2 engines? Looks like there might be more of that tiny jagdpanther on there.

What are you doing with yours atom? Looking forward to seeing yours.:thumbsup
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Hi!
Mr.incrediPAUL! Sorry, I'm late.:eek

I attached the image of my RED2 engines.
I made them on NOV.2003.
Unfortunately, at that time I didn’t have any information of what kind of model parts were used to make RED2 engines.
To tell the truth, 6years have passed since I made them, I still don't have any info. about engine parts.
You may know the difference of between RED2 engine and other X-WING engine.
RED2 engine is very special, indeed.
Pipes and other parts on the engine are definitely different from other X-WING.
And nozzle is shorter than any other X-WING.

I used CCX engine.
I removed pipes and tiny parts.
After that, I added new piping and tiny parts on it.
I used brass tube and tiny plastic pieces and tiny vinyl sheets.
Nozzle was cast from F-4J PHANTOM engine and I shortened it like real filming miniature.

Do you understand what I mean?
I’m sorry I don’t have any info. about kit parts.

Thanks.:thumbsup
 
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OH!
Sorry, I forgot to tell you.
About F-4J PHANTOM engine nozzle that I shortened,
I don’t have real short nozzle of F-4J PHANTOM.
That’s why I used normal nozzle and shortened it.
But my friend has a real short nozzle of F-4J PHANTOM.
I think ILM model builder used short nozzle of F-4J PHANTOM for RED2.

Thanks.
 
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Here's Blue 1 (Red 2)'s engines:

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moffeaton said:
A very talented friend made these for my Blue 1 build:

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NICE! Thank you for sharing that Blue Leader reference. Can't wait to see that bird. Plan on 'glassing' the canopy to match your Y?
 
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Re: 1/24 Hero X Wing Build

I've got a v3.1 I plan to make into red 2. Mike was sure to give me the correct parts for the inner wing engine details.

This is the first time I noticed that the engine details were different, apart from the turkey feathers.

What kit are they based on (if anyone knows)? Or is it just that the added details are different? I'm assuming since Jason's is a scratch detailed part, that it isn't a known kit part. Thanks in advance for any help.

moffeaton said:
Here's Blue 1 (Red 2)'s engines:

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Tough call on the kit part IDs, considering most of it appears to be 'conduit' details. The only parts I can spot are from the Fujimi 1/76 Jagdpanther. This is consistent with the engine we are all familiar with as it uses other parts from the same kit. Specifically u bolts/brackets and exhaust. Forgive any errors in kit-armor terminology.

Some of the flatter segments of the Red 2 engine with tiny raised details are all from the same part. You can just barely see the little raised parts catching the light. It must have been cut in segments and used throughout the design. Without better reference I coudln't say for sure but it looks like the tiny triangle with raised pegs could be a bogey from yet another jagdpanther part.

Is there Red 2 reference out there that could reveal more? I am wondering if these engines have panel lines as well.

What intrigues me is that the panels added along the seam of the engine halves are the same on all X engines. We can also see one of the bent conduits is in the same location as well. Perhaps some molds were made before the engine master was completed? Or the Red 2 engines are based on a modified version of the 'standard' engine. Either way when you factor in the intricacy of the design and consistency of the location of the parts... its seems certain these were cast parts.

Begging the question: why don't we see these engines on other birds? They sure are purty.:love
 
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I reckon they weren't seen on other birds because this one was in England when the majority of work was done on the other Xs. Same reason that the Red Y has some differences (neck details "mirrored" from all others).

The engines I have are mastered by a friend, who indeed found everything kit part-wise. I'm not naming names, unless he wants to make himself known (and get a bunch of "me too!" PMs, lol). But I do know all those Blue 1 engine details are off of positively IDed model kits - no scratchbuilding. Again, not my place to say what they are, and honestly I didn't write it down/remember anyway, sigh.

For this one, I'm going to try to make it a straight replica of Blue 1 - no droid, cockpit, pilot, canopy glass! Just an empty hole that shows the armature. Also, the mounting plugs on the bottom/sides are different - and A LOT of panel lines on the fuselage are different - even the Artoo hole is in a different spot!

V3 (red 3/4 representation) and Blue 1 parts:

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Surely they didn't send the molds for the engine overseas? I should change my phrasing as well. I should have never said Red 2... as it was certainly the Blue 1/Leader engine first.

Looking forward to seeing that Blue X... no doubt you'll do it up proper, and IMO the perfect 'excuse' to show off that metal underneath. :thumbsup
 
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That's a seriously cool engine Jason! :)

The rear engines for all of the models were castings. For the hero models, the rear engines were cast as one part, just one half of the engine. Then two of these castings were attached to the aluminum tube that was the armature housing for the engine lights and wiring.

The rear engine pattern for Blue Leader/Red 2, which was the first X-Wing built as Jason mentioned, was unique among all the models. The rest of the models, hero and pyro all used the same familiar base pattern. I agree that it would be interesting to understand why they switched patterns.

The pyro rear engines were cast whole. No lights, no wires, no need for a metal tube.
 
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Sorry to keep hijacking...

I've collected data from the forums here that the turkey feathers are from an f-4j phantom or an f-15. Does anyone know the correct answer?

By the way: I just went through the archives from 1999-2001, when everyone seemed to be working from maxi-brutes and beaz came upon the icons prototype. Beaz should win an award for his x-wing ID effort! :thumbsup

Still working on the second half of that thread...
 
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