Star Trek USS Centaur studio scale

Discussion in 'Studio Scale Models' started by Barnstormer, Dec 31, 2005.

  1. Barnstormer

    Barnstormer Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    716
    Howdy, all -

    I've been participating in a studio-scale project on Starship Modeler, and we're pretty far along on IDing the details on the U.S.S. Centaur from a later Deep Space Nine episode. Take a look at the entire project and the progress here - the thread covers a lot of research and parts IDs:

    http://www.starshipmodeler.net/cgi-bin/php...pic.php?t=31535

    There's a particular part that we're stumped by - if anyone here knows the part, we'd appreciate the info. It's the long part on top of the 'wing' with a row of holes in it. It's hilighted here...

    http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c347/Bar...t_hilighted.jpg

    the unaltered image, for reference...

    http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c347/Bar...entaur_part.jpg

    If anyone has come across this part while working on other projects, a tip would be much appreciated. Thanks for looking.
     
  2. Boba Flint

    Boba Flint Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    1,390
    That reminds me of aircraft landing gear for some reason.
     
  3. Barnstormer

    Barnstormer Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    716
    StevieLewis, the other guy who's doing this build, has been using some parts from the 1/148th Tomcat - there are other Tomcat parts used - but he doesn't have a final match.

    We agree, in general - aircraft or possibly exotic sportscars...
     
  4. Sidewinder

    Sidewinder Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    1,682
    an exhaust manifold part from some multi-cylinder engine?

    SAS
     
  5. stevielewis

    stevielewis Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    586
    Wow!...I just came across this thread while checking out past topics here on RPF. We did eventually ID that part, its from a 1/48th scale F-16 landing gear. Just to let anyone interested in this yet, since the last post to this thread, I have basically got a primer coat of flat white on this model. It still isn't finished yet...7 years later!!! :eek:unsure I'll see if anyone is interested in seeing any pics of this before I post any to what is basically a "dead thread". Oh, btw, the link in the first post by Barnstormer for Starship Modeler is no longer useful as Starship Modeler only keeps threads active for about a year, or until it works it's way to the end of page 4.
     
    Last edited: Feb 1, 2013
    rbeach84 likes this.
  6. Boba Flint

    Boba Flint Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    1,390
    A thread is not dead if you have some work to show off.
     
  7. stevielewis

    stevielewis Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    586
    Ok..fair enough...

    A few pics of my Centaur build....
    The pics are quite large. Click on them to see full size.
    Centaur Class Starship 03.jpg
    Centaur Class Starship 09.jpg
    Centaur Class Starship 08.jpg
     
    Last edited: Mar 4, 2017
    Yarko likes this.
  8. stevielewis

    stevielewis Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    586
    I see that people have been stopping to read this thread, and I hope viewing my pics of my build, by the view count increasing. I guess my pics are not interesting enough for anyone to comment on them. :unsure
     
  9. Exxos

    Exxos Member

    Trophy Points:
    191
    The original starship modeler thread link is long dead. I would like to see the parts breakdown.

    I was holding off on commenting until I had something less retarded to say than that it looks great and you're doing an awesome job. People here work so hard and do such great work, it seems a pity to not make an educated, detailed response as to how great they are and how awesome the work they are is.

    Are you going to paint it "realistically," standard starfleet for filming colors, or stay true to the studio model and use all the day-glo for windows and other glowing bits?
     
  10. iams001efni

    iams001efni Active Member

    Trophy Points:
    341
    Yeah that does look awesome! I'd love to see a part list breakdown as well.
     
  11. stevielewis

    stevielewis Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    586
    Thanks guys. I'll get a parts breakdown listed, as well as seing if I can post some of the early pics from 2005 here, so you can see how it has evolved and changed over the years. I hope to paint it up in standard StarFleet colors. The "day-glo" colors and "gold" shiney items were done that way for photography purposes on the set, which I'm sure many on here were aware of.
     
  12. Exxos

    Exxos Member

    Trophy Points:
    191
    Yup, but we're in the studio scale forum, so it actually was an option to ask about.
     
  13. stevielewis

    stevielewis Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    586
    I understand. Thanks!
     
  14. MooCriket

    MooCriket Master Member

    Trophy Points:
    3,366
    Just came across your update, and I really love what I see!
     
  15. stevielewis

    stevielewis Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    586
    Thanks MooCricket.


    I was hoping to download some of the pictures from when I started this build way back in 2005 from my PhotoBucket account, but they decided to change the format there. Right now I can not download any of my pictures from there. Even right clicking on the photo doesn't bring up the "Save picture as..." link. I guess I'll have to wait until PhotoBucket gets their redesigned site working properly before I can download any of my pictures from there. I'm working on the parts list of the kits I used for all the greeblies as well as the main ship parts. Hope to have it posted here in a day or so.
     
  16. 137th Gebirg

    137th Gebirg Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    521
    The Centaur was always my favorite of the DS9 frankenfleet, despite the mixed scales. You definitely did it justice, particularly with all the greebles. Excellent job! :)
     
  17. timeslip

    timeslip Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    746
    Great to see this thread again. I stopped on mine due to not figuring out the last few parts. Hopefully we can all knock this sucker out!
    George
     
  18. stevielewis

    stevielewis Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    586
    Thank you 137 Gebirg and timeslip. I really didn't think anyone had much interest in this ship since it was so briefly seen in DS9. Hopefully once it gets warm outside again (above 50 F and low humidity) I can get a better coat of paint on this build and finally get started painting it in standard Starfleet colors of that era.

    It was asked for and I have gone back and done my research on what I used to build this, so here is a list of the parts used to make the main ship as well as the greeblies added. I must let you all know that I still am not sure of the two parts in front of the lower main sensor array, as even the best screen captures are not clear enough to make positive identifcation. So here is my list:

    1. Excelsior - Primary hull, aft Shuttle Bay, 4 Lower Warp Nacelles, 2 aft Torpedo Launchers.

    2. Reliant - Main Bridge, Weapons Pod/Rollbar, 4 Megaphaser Tips, 4 Pylon cover Plates, aft Bridge Docking Port.

    3. Greeblies - Maquis Raider Grills (2 medium length and 1 short length), 3 Enterprise - B Dekoids, K'Tinga Port/Starboard Shield Generators, K'Tinga Warp Nacelle End Caps, 20mm Flakvierling 38 parts, Leopald Railway Gun parts, F-16-A Landing gear parts and outside Main Wheel/Tires, F-14 Tomcat Main Landing Gear, Panzer III/IV Individual Tank Track (22).

    This is the best I have come up with over the nearly 8 years I have been working on this build. It's a far cry from what I started out with back in 2005 with what was then an all resin greeblie add-on kit.

    I have pics finally from then if you all would like to see how the parts changed over this period. Let me know and I'll add them.
     
    Inquisitor Peregrinus likes this.
  19. 137th Gebirg

    137th Gebirg Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    521
    I would actually be interested in a parts map of the build. I recognize the parts from all the Trek kits you mentioned, but the other pieces from the non-Trek kits are a bit more elusive to recall their shape.
     
  20. stevielewis

    stevielewis Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    586
    Ok Gebrig. I'll work on that and hopefully have these listed as a parts map as well. I guess color coding them to the specific kits will help. :facepalm
     
  21. 137th Gebirg

    137th Gebirg Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    521
    Thankee kindly! Looking forward to it - and the new paint job when you get to it. :)
     
  22. bmused55

    bmused55 Member

    Trophy Points:
    180
  23. 137th Gebirg

    137th Gebirg Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    521
    :lol "Funny Shape" :lol
     
  24. stevielewis

    stevielewis Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    586
    Thank you for posting the link for that. I found the same MSD on Adam Buckner's website a little over a month ago and downloaded it. I too would love to see some pictures of the underside greeblies used on the original model Adam made. As soon as I can, I'll post my parts map to this thread of the items found by myself and Barnstormer when we first worked on our builds.
     
  25. Barnstormer

    Barnstormer Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    716
    StevieLewis, your build looks fantastic - mine isn't quite this far along (maybe for the best - I see some great solutions to some problems on your build that I may try to emulate!)

    I probably have some of my parts map images around as well - I think I've long since been purged from photo hosting sites, but i know i still have them locally. I remember pouring over the screen caps pretty fiendishly working out the exact position of some of the detail bits, and removing and re-placing a few of them multiple times!
     
  26. Barnstormer

    Barnstormer Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    716
    ...oh, and a question for StevieLewis! Can you recommend a specific F-16 kit for the landing gear part? I bought a Monogram F-16 cheap on Ebay, but the landing gear strut wasn't a good match...
     
  27. stevielewis

    stevielewis Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    586
    Hey Barnstormer! To answer your question on which F-16 kit, I used the parts from the AMT/Ertl 1/48 scale F-16A, parts 4C and 5C, on the Reliant Rollbar topside, and parts 3C (2X) outer main wheel/tire halves on the bottom of the Reliant Rollbar. Maybe I can get a picture of these specifically so you can see which parts they are and location.

    Centaur Class Starship 01.jpg
    Centaur Class Starship 02.jpg
    Update: These two photos show the then current layout of what we thought might be the parts from the AMT/Ertl F16-A model, back in 2012, as well as what we had thought were some of the other greeblies used.
     
    Last edited: Mar 31, 2017
  28. Little Angel

    Little Angel New Member

    Trophy Points:
    3
    I bumped into this thread by accident, while looking for something else.

    I still have the model in my attic (or "loft" right now, as I'm living in the UK), but if someone needs any detailed images of the Centaur, let me know and I'll try to get those for you.

    - Adam

    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Jun 6, 2013
  29. Barnstormer

    Barnstormer Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    716
    Adam, what a generous offer! There are a few questions I'd LOVE to figure out definitively, and a few photos that would help out immensely!

    The first view that would be extremely helpful would be a good clear view of the underside of the saucer. In particular, there are a pair of detail bits that I've never been able to identify with any confidence - if forward is 12 O'clock, then there are two detail parts at roughly 11 and 1 that I haven't been able to figure out from screen caps - a good clear view would help so much!

    The other area that I've never been able to completely understand is where the saucer meets up with the Reliant 'roll-bar' - exactly how the top of the Reliant part is cut down so that it attaches to the Excelsior saucer, and also if the hole on the front of the Reliant torpedo-pod is covered with anything or addressed in any way.

    Any information on those things would be so helpful, and very kind - thank you for any help you can provide! :)

    -mkg
     
  30. stevielewis

    stevielewis Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    586
    Hi Adam!!! I'm with Barnstormer on this, would love some clear pics of the underside of the saucer as well. Some general overall pics would be wonderful too. I've been away for about 4 months or so, (still looking for work) and to find out that you replied to this thread is awesome.

    stevielewis
     
  31. Little Angel

    Little Angel New Member

    Trophy Points:
    3
    Crackers! I posted here and then lost track of where "here" was. Thank goodness for birthdays. I've been receiving those automated "Happy Birthday" messages from forums, and I used those to track back to here.

    6° of separation...

    I'll try to get those images now that I know where I'm going.
     
  32. stevielewis

    stevielewis Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    586
    Thank you!!! Looking forward to seeing them. :)
     
  33. stevielewis

    stevielewis Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    586
    Hey Barnstormer! Have you done anything with this build since the last time? I just got this and a few others of my builds out of storage back in Michigan and now have them here in Pennsylvania. I checked this build and it survived the 666 mile trip without any broken parts. Let me know if you are still working this build.
     
  34. Barnstormer

    Barnstormer Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    716
    I haven't 'actively' worked on it too much recently, but I never give up on anything. :) The biggest progress for me was picking up the Eaglemoss miniature of the Centaur - the mini-magazine that comes with it had some new photos I'd never seen before, including a good straight-on shot of the underside, although a bit smaller than I would wish for.

    My current scanner is pretty cheap, I need to get that page onto a good scanner and blow the image us as much as possible - there are one or two last underside greeblies that I'd love to get a definitive ID on.
     
    timeslip likes this.
  35. stevielewis

    stevielewis Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    586
    I totally agree with finding out what those last two items are.
     
  36. Barnstormer

    Barnstormer Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    716
    Hah - I know, SO CLOSE... :)
     
  37. stevielewis

    stevielewis Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    586
    This thread is 11 years old now and we STILL haven't figured out all the underside greeblies. I wish Adam would take the pics of the model he has and post them. THAT would really help.
     
  38. stevielewis

    stevielewis Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    586
    I just un-packed the two Centaur builds I made and both made the 666mile move without breakage or loss of parts. Whew!
     
    rbeach84 likes this.
  39. Barnstormer

    Barnstormer Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    716
    That's great - I work slowly enough that I HATE having to go back and repair.
     
  40. stevielewis

    stevielewis Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    586
    Well...speaking of figuring out all the greeblies on the bottom of the USS Centaur, I just seen some "colorized" pics of the actual prop, which I am now using as my computer background. The view is from the left rear looking forward. I have looked carefully at the picture and noticed that the Klingon warp nacelle parts I have used are currently attached 180 degrees from how they should be. I'm also seeing that I don't have the Reliant Weapons Pod cut down enough yet for proper fitting. So that will also be addressed sometime. So, even after all this time, I'm finding little things that need changing.
     
  41. stevielewis

    stevielewis Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    586
    I'm attaching a photo I took a few days ago after I got out my Stargazer build and Centaur build. They both have a coat of white primer on them at this time.
    15874812_367437016947884_5287455050134698381_o.jpg


    I do hope to get back working on both of these soon. Thanks for looking.
     
    Last edited: Mar 4, 2017
  42. Little Angel

    Little Angel New Member

    Trophy Points:
    3
    Here are some detailed photos, including the comp I gave to Eaglemoss which is intended somewhat as a guide to the level of desaturation of the final printed image. There are strong color variations in the original shooting model that were intended to be reduced in the final color grade, such as the strong blue and overwhelming copper parts.

    Centaur-Bottom.png

    Centaur-Detail01.png

    Centaur-Detail02.png

    Centaur-Detail03.png

    Centaur-HowToShootAModel.png

    Centaur-Top.png

    Centaur03-sm.png
     
    stevielewis and Lee S like this.
  43. Little Angel

    Little Angel New Member

    Trophy Points:
    3
    Furthermore: A number of the detailed pieces were added to the bottom of the dish after Gary Hutzel asked to use the ship for his episode. We discussed the shots and realized that there would a need to shoot the underside of the dish. I knew this meant we needed more detail and as these shots were never going to see the ship moving slowly, I was very "bold" in my choices of greeble detail. I wanted to make sure that the detail would show when the ship was moving at high speed. Now, in the stills, they are not as well laid out nor as aesthetic as the other detail greebles.
     
    stevielewis and Lee S like this.
  44. Barnstormer

    Barnstormer Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    716
    Thank you SO MUCH for sharing those - it's fantastic to see the source material! Your treatment worked great, the details read just right in motion, and with motion blur.
     
  45. stevielewis

    stevielewis Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    586
    Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!!!! WOW!!! To finally see these final bits of detail...what Barnstormer said, everything worked great!!!
     
  46. stevielewis

    stevielewis Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    586
    In the three weeks since Adam Buckner posted the high res pics of his Centaur model, I have been able to identify many of the correct parts used originally on the Centaur, specifically those used to the Reliant rollbar. Those items are from the 1/32 scale F-15 E Strike Eagle, specifically the main landing gear. I was able to purchase two complete sprues on eBay with those parts, plus several of the parts used on the bottom of the main hull. I just received those sprues today and have removed the old parts I had originally thought were correct. I'm attaching a photo I took with the new parts in place but not permanently attached. Click on the picture for a larger view.
    20170206_173650.jpg
     
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2017
  47. Barnstormer

    Barnstormer Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    716
    Outstanding!
     
  48. cdr6

    cdr6 New Member

    Trophy Points:
    17
    Great stuff!!! It's fablious to see the the Centuar modeling! I also love the "Franken Fleet" pics. Looks like a lot of work is going into this build, us older Trekkies love this sort of stuff... Kind a digging on the pristene-ish/just out out of the yards look of stevielewis' picture above.

    Keep the sunny side up!
    -Chuck
     
  49. stevielewis

    stevielewis Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    586
    Thanks Chuck! Barnstormer and I have been working on our respective models since 2005 when we first started identifying the small "greeblies" used on the Centaur. I hope someday soon to go back and repost the earlier pictures I had up in this thread so anyone who reads up on it can see the past "progress" and what turned out to be the wrong items. Keep in mind, we started this when High Resolution photos were not even around yet. We did most of the identifying by looking at fuzzy or grainy screen captures with all the motion in them, and many of those screen caps were poor quality, bad lighting, and motion blurred. So to finally see the High Res photos Adam Buckner took of the studio model was totally awesome. In all, I have not been able to identify the small rectangle with two circles that is in front of the lower hull planetary sensors. If anyone cares to make a guess, or might know what kit that is from, please post it here. Thanks again for looking.

    stevielewis

    20170209_090833.jpg 20170209_090610.jpg 20170209_090718.jpg 20170209_090756.jpg

    These were the types of online pictures we used to figure out the greeblies...many of the pics were smaller and not as clear as these...so you can see why it took so long to track down the final few parts needed to finish our builds...
    USS Centaur NCC-42043 01.jpg USS Centaur NCC-42043 02.jpg USS Centaur NCC-42043 03.jpg USS Centaur NCC-42043 04.jpg Centaur How To Shoot A Model 03.jpg Centaur How To Shoot A Model 02.jpg
     
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2017
  50. BadHaircut

    BadHaircut New Member

    Trophy Points:
    2
    Amazing work and a huge thanks for the many years of research.
    I'm a bit lost tracking down the flat rectangular panels near the v like shape F-15 landing gear parts on the top surface of the roll bar?
    I've tracked down most parts except that and the piece near the sensor dome you mentioned above.
     

Share This Page