Star Trek Picard Season Three

[Bloop]

Everyone is dead when they go through the transporter, or we accept the idea that what makes a person who they are isn't intangible, and is replicable in the future.

The transporter is simultaneously great and terrible for storytelling. I don't recall where I heard it, but someone said it was a great storytelling tool for getting characters directly into the action. But it's also pretty ambiguous at how it actually works, which led to it being used to solve - or cause - all sorts of medical problems and weird situations. They've used it to cure people of ailments and it supposedly can filter out any diseases, known or not, so why do people still get sick, injured and die? The transporters should be able to fix virtually any physical problem - at least they've been established as bring able to do so. The stories have been inconsistent as to how and why transporters are able to do what they do.

Riker had a double of himself, so it is capable of not just transporting or recreating people, but essentially cloning humans. Scotty survived in the transporter buffer for decades, so it can be used to "store" people. Picard, Guinn & Ro became children in a transporter accident, so it should be able to de-age people. They use it to filter out diseases and can compare transporter logs or traces or whatever to fix physical problems, so why don't they do that all the time? I just watched a Voyager episode where Neelix had his lungs stolen using transporter type technology, yet they didn't think to use their own transporter to recreate Neelix with lungs - which should've been easy to do, as established by numerous other stories.

Basically, no one should ever be able to die or suffer from grave injury because the transporter could just recreate them wholly. I know they established the idea that the transporter buffer gets cleared after each transport, and the premise that patterns would decay over time, but again, they've used those trace logs to fix people, so I don't buy any argument that says they couldn't store people's patterns for longer - Scotty and Dr. M'Benga both did it.

 

[Gregatron]

The transporter is simultaneously great and terrible for storytelling. I don't recall where I heard it, but someone said it was a great storytelling tool for getting characters directly into the action. But it's also pretty ambiguous at how it actually works, which led to it being used to solve - or cause - all sorts of medical problems and weird situations. They've used it to cure people of ailments and it supposedly can filter out any diseases, known or not, so why do people still get sick, injured and die? The transporters should be able to fix virtually any physical problem - at least they've been established as bring able to do so. The stories have been inconsistent as to how and why transporters are able to do what they do.

Riker had a double of himself, so it is capable of not just transporting or recreating people, but essentially cloning humans. Scotty survived in the transporter buffer for decades, so it can be used to "store" people. Picard, Guinn & Ro became children in a transporter accident, so it should be able to de-age people. They use it to filter out diseases and can compare transporter logs or traces or whatever to fix physical problems, so why don't they do that all the time? I just watched a Voyager episode where Neelix had his lungs stolen using transporter type technology, yet they didn't think to use their own transporter to recreate Neelix with lungs - which should've been easy to do, as established by numerous other stories.

Basically, no one should ever be able to die or suffer from grave injury because the transporter could just recreate them wholly. I know they established the idea that the transporter buffer gets cleared after each transport, and the premise that patterns would decay over time, but again, they've used those trace logs to fix people, so I don't buy any argument that says they couldn't store people's patterns for longer - Scotty and Dr. M'Benga both did it.

I’m reasonably sure that Dr. M’Benga did no such thing in either of the two episodes he appeared in, thanks.

 

[Jamesfett]

Man, I'm glad I can just watch this series and enjoy it for what it is.

I sincerely wish I could do this. I love fans who can just enjoy it for what it is. These people are happy, and live good, long lives.

 

[pengbuzz]

To the primary discussion: I think some folks read a little too deeply into the transporter issue as a whole. It was only ever intended to cleanly move characters in and out of a scene, which is actually fairly brilliant all things considered. And it's even lent itself to some scenarios where it ended up causing situations and being used in some rather interesting ways. But to those who say "you die in it every time you beam up or down", keep in mind that while the technicality is the transporter breaking down the matter, it is still keeping the pattern of the person intact (which is brownian motion and position), and therefore the essence of the person that goes with it.

After all...all matter consists of is particles of energy. Otherwise, matter could not be converted to energy if it did not have energy as its' basis, and energy cannot be created nor destroyed.

Meantime:

I'd like to see the scientific studies which attest to this, thanks.

It reminds me of "toxic positivity" (no jamesfett, not complaining about what you posted man. We're all good. ) out there, where some folks insist that you be happy or else:

And that's how I feel sometimes with the Star Trek: Picard discussions; that we're supposed to either view it positively or we're "harming the enjoyment of those who watch it". And while I don't begrugde anyone who likes watching it (watch what you like, you only live once!), I think that expecting everyone else to go along with it is a bit much.

Now, since I posted a meme I found, I may as well post another one which sums up how I feel nowadays when I work on a project that takes much longer than it should have:

 

[Jamesfett]

It's all good guys. I seriously wish I was not so critical and could enjoy more entertainment stuff. I try.

I do miss the positive, bright future Star Trek used to represent. One thing that always made Star Trek stand out is it was one of the few positive depictions of the future of humanity and now that is all gone. Star Trek people are just as bad, lying, selfish scum they have always been. I think there was something in Star Trek about exploration at some point??????

Now Star Trek is no different than any other current human drama.

That's why I wish it ended with All Good Things. Struggle for sure but also bright, positive, etc.

 

[Gregatron]

It's all good guys. I seriously wish I was not so critical and could enjoy more entertainment stuff. I try.

I do miss the positive, bright future Star Trek used to represent. One thing that always made Star Trek stand out is it was one of the few positive depictions of the future of humanity and now that is all gone. Star Trek people are just as bad, lying, selfish scum they have always been. I think there was something in Star Trek about exploration at some point??????

Now Star Trek is no different than any other current human drama.

That's why I wish it ended with All Good Things. Struggle for sure but also bright, positive, etc.

It's really very simple. I hold things to the standard set by their predecessors. STAR TREK set a high bar for intelligent, thoughtful storytelling, but NuTREK has been an utter failure in that regard. Illogical, stupid, pandering, partisan, canon-smashing.

Suspension of disbelief is a pipe-dream when faced with that kind of adversity. I can suspend disbelief and accept that the TNG era is a logical extrapolation of the TOS era, which is set a century later. That fictional culture and its mores/values/technology still sync up well between shows produced 20 years apart.

It is impossible to reconcile NuTREK with what has come before, be it tonally, ethically, or technologically. Sticking the familiar TNG actors into that same drab, dark universe is like putting a Band-Aid on a shotgun wound.

Without the writers and producers who made those characters and that show what they were in concert with the actors, it's just the actors lip-flapping some fanfic.

 

[Gregatron]

Been thinking about how STAR TREK could have been made to last forever, basically. TNG cleverly just jumped ahead a century and used the same format. The spin-offs were just that--spin-offs.

Now, TREK has been trapped in an endless cycle of reboots and rehashes since 2001. Very little has been done to move the franchise forward, aside from STD jumping centuries ahead, and PICARD trying to give the TNG cast yet another send-off.


If history had gone a little differently, I think it would have been neat to see the Enterprise herself be the common element throughout decades' worth of TV series. That is, each iteration of STAR TREK would literally have followed the voyages of the original Enterprise, NCC-1701. The original series followed Kirk and crew. A second series would have begun transitioning out the crew and bringing in fresh blood. As the years went on, you could update and redesign the Enterprise to reflect advances in technology (and filmmaking). We would literally follow just the ship from decade to decade and iteration to iteration, with the crew being swapped out periodically. Just like a real Navy ship. Or DOCTOR WHO swapping out lead actors and redesigning the Tardis.

The ship and the format remain a constant, but the cast, era, and style change with the times.

 

[Jamesfett]

On that note, prequels, prequels, prequels,..They are the end of Logic. Not the beginning, or middle, or really end. They are dumb.

Star Trek Strange New Worlds. Great lead. I can see why people like him, however anything you do will contradict TOS. The ship is much bigger and more advanced than it is in TOS. That makes no sense. It looks much more modern than TOS.

Why not simply do a series after TNG. Same cast as SNW, different names and have at it. No limits, no restraints, and no little dork like me asking why the captain has quarters twice the size of any on the Galaxy class.

 

[Gregatron]

On that note, prequels, prequels, prequels,..They are the end of Logic. Not the beginning, or middle, or really end. They are dumb.

Star Trek Strange New Worlds. Great lead. I can see why people like him, however anything you do will contradict TOS. The ship is much bigger and more advanced than it is in TOS. That makes no sense. It looks much more modern than TOS.

Why not simply do a series after TNG. Same cast as SNW, different names and have at it. No limits, no restraints, and no little dork like me asking why the captain has quarters twice the size of any on the Galaxy class.

A high percentage of my problems with both the Abrams movies and Kurtzman's terrible shows would evaporate if they didn't insist on pathologically strip-mining the past. New ship with a new name, new characters. Okay, great. It would succeed or fail on its own merits.

Instead, they insist on both banking on name-recognition/nostalgia, and also trying to rewrite/replace the original source material with their inferior knockoffs. To the point that Abrams actually wanted CBS/Paramount to stop licensing TOS merchandise, and to replace it with his rebooted movie version of TREK.


So, as a result, I have nothing but contempt for them.

 

[Gregatron]

...come to think if it, the aborted PHASE II series actually would have begun the process I described above, with cast members being swapped out and the Enterprise being upgraded. But the movies and TNG ended up taking the franchise down a different path.

 

[pengbuzz]

On that note, prequels, prequels, prequels,..They are the end of Logic. Not the beginning, or middle, or really end. They are dumb.

Star Trek Strange New Worlds. Great lead. I can see why people like him, however anything you do will contradict TOS. The ship is much bigger and more advanced than it is in TOS. That makes no sense. It looks much more modern than TOS.

Why not simply do a series after TNG. Same cast as SNW, different names and have at it. No limits, no restraints, and no little dork like me asking why the captain has quarters twice the size of any on the Galaxy class.

Well, they could always blow up the ship near the end and the TOS NCC-1701 is her replacement.

(it's only after TOS that they decide to use suffixes. )

*I know gregatron will utterly hate that idea! *

(easy, jsut some gentle ribbing there pal! )

 

[Gregatron]

Well, they could always blow up the ship near the end and the TOS NCC-1701 is her replacement.

(it's only after TOS that they decide to use suffixes. )

*I know gregatron will utterly hate that idea! *

(easy, jsut some gentle ribbing there pal! )

 

[Picard102]

Why not simply do a series after TNG. Same cast as SNW, different names and have at it.

I don't think they really gain anything from it.
You'd still have the perpetual haters complaining it's not TOS, just like when TNG came out. Same thing for every series since.

 

[Bloop]

This probably goes without saying, but the choices of what they're doing with the Star Trek property has more to do with business, specifically trying to gain new viewers. They probably assume most of the diehard fans will watch anything with the Trek name, so they make new multiple new series that appeal to different demographics than just the diehards. Paramount is trying hard to do with Star Trek what Disney has done with Star Wars.

Look at the various Star Trek series that have been created for Paramount +. ST: Prodigy is a CG animated show that is geared towards younger kids, with a very Star Wars feel to it. ST: Lower Decks is trying for the Rick & Morty audience. Discovery, SNW, Picard and the new Starfleet Academy series all try to "update" Trek for younger and different audiences, while still trying to keep the diehards. Discovery started it's run trying to copy the Game of Thrones style.

I don't agree with their decisions, but it's pretty clear to me why they've made them.

 

[Bloop]

Back to the subject of season 3 of Picard, I'm really enjoying Levar Burton on the show. I'd watch a series centered on him and his family. Paramount would be wise to do something like this. People love Levar.

 

[pengbuzz]

Back to the subject of season 3 of Picard, I'm really enjoying Levar Burton on the show. I'd watch a series centered on him and his family. Paramount would be wise to do something like this. People love Levar.

I'm gonna run for the hills if they turn an episode of ST: P into Reading Rainbow....

 

[Gregatron]

 

[renaissance_man]

Just saw this clip on Youtube.

It's like a fanfilm with all the weirdly mismatched sound effects for the computer, they're inaccurate to the intention of the actions being performed. There are TNG era sounds of the computer mixed with PADD specific button sounds, VOY era computer acknowledgement sounds. What a mess. It's as if someone went on the Trekcore sounds page, downloaded 20 random sound effects and overlaid them.

Also how can preparations for Frontier day be "unprecedented"? Surely a recurring annual event is a precedent.
The word has become so ubiquitous now it has lost its meaning. You hear everyone describe everything as unprecedented.

 

[Lightning]

Also how can preparations for Frontier day be "unprecedented"? Surely a recurring annual event is a precedent.

Frontier day happens every year but this is a big anniversary apparently. The entire Starfleet is assembling in the Sol system, that's never happened before, thus unprecedented. It's also an incredibly stupid and dangerous idea in universe. We see Geordi complaining about how the higher up brass are ignoring his warnings. It's almost certain the highest ranking admirals have been replaced by changelings and are setting up the celebration for the attack.

 

[Gregatron]

Just saw this clip on Youtube.

It's like a fanfilm with all the weirdly mismatched sound effects for the computer, they're inaccurate to the intention of the actions being performed. There are TNG era sounds of the computer mixed with PADD specific button sounds, VOY era computer acknowledgement sounds. What a mess. It's as if someone went on the Trekcore sounds page, downloaded 20 random sound effects and overlaid them.

Also how can preparations for Frontier day be "unprecedented"? Surely a recurring annual event is a precedent.
The word has become so ubiquitous now it has lost its meaning. You hear everyone describe everything as unprecedented.

Don't forget "historic"!