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Star Trek Into Darkness (Pre-release)
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Father
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My bad. Not an option on Tapatalk. :/
I'm going to say it right now. Despite some head shaking as to some of the creative decisions I have spoiled for myself, this film looks like a GREAT piece of fun. And even if it's not TREK to you, let's try and appreciate a super quality sic-fi film and the folks that made it happen. I say bravo JJ and team and thanks for making us fan's of STAR TREK engaged again.
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No problem, Q'pla!
Rou're Right Raggy! Rooby Rooby Roooooo!
This book is good for the pictures only. That Solow guy has been bashed by almost everybody else who was involved with Trek at the time. He even claims that HE came up with the idea and that Gene's involvement was clouded because he was high all the time - be if it was true or not, you don't do blare that stuff out right after the man passed away and can't defend himself. What a dolt.
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
Okay, I have made my final decision about JJ's Nu-Trek!
I am going to stop comparing it to what came before. I am going to quit focusing on whether it is an alternate timeline, universe, or reality and just watch the movie for what it is!
I am going to go into the theatre to watch Pine, Quinto and Urban play Kirk, Spock and McCoy, and quit comparing them to Shatner, Nimoy and Kelly.
I am not going to wonder if Picard, Janeway and Sisko will now ever live or have lived as a result.
I will quit wondering if there is still an untouched universe (My universe) where these events never happened.
This is a re-boot.... The Dark Knight did it without 'destroying' Batman!
I will go watch it for what it is, a New Trek movie. I can't help but wonder if Roddenberry were still alive making this, and had the technology and money that JJ does, if his new Trek would not itself look very similar to this. And if it did, would I care as much?
If it is a good movie, I will be satisfied basing it on its own merit!
If I wind up hating it, I will hate it on its own merit, not based on what began in 1966.
I am going to stop comparing it to what came before. I am going to quit focusing on whether it is an alternate timeline, universe, or reality and just watch the movie for what it is!
I am going to go into the theatre to watch Pine, Quinto and Urban play Kirk, Spock and McCoy, and quit comparing them to Shatner, Nimoy and Kelly.
I am not going to wonder if Picard, Janeway and Sisko will now ever live or have lived as a result.
I will quit wondering if there is still an untouched universe (My universe) where these events never happened.
This is a re-boot.... The Dark Knight did it without 'destroying' Batman!
I will go watch it for what it is, a New Trek movie. I can't help but wonder if Roddenberry were still alive making this, and had the technology and money that JJ does, if his new Trek would not itself look very similar to this. And if it did, would I care as much?
If it is a good movie, I will be satisfied basing it on its own merit!
If I wind up hating it, I will hate it on its own merit, not based on what began in 1966.
Yes - but we were used to other actors playing Batman And I think it's impossible NOT to compare. I know you, dude - sometime as you're watching the movie you are going to hear that little voice in your head that sounds like Michael Cain saying "Wait -- that was not Star Trek!" By the end you'll be on your feet, screaming at the screen and everyone in the theater "THIS IS NOT STAR TREK! Did you see.... (here you'll give quotes and scene comparisons to the old show). Some big guy in the back wearing an oversized Frankie Says Relax tee will stand and yell back "Why don't you shut up!". Perplexed, you will immediately shoot back "Why don't I what?" FRANKIE: "I said why don't you sit down and shut up. We liked the movie because it's NEW plus, you're scaring my children." This is your breaking point - the last straw, the final tip -- You answer him by hurling an oversized, half finished cherry lime slurpee that explodes against his forehead. Now Frankie is pissed - He vaults the two rows between you, cupping his hands and coming down hard on the back of your skull. What he doesn't know is to get ready for Star Trek you huffed six cans of Krylon chrome paint in the parking lot just before purchasing your ticket. The uppercut you deliver makes Lord Zeus wince from on high. Michael Cain chimes in from somewhere in your subconscious: "Kill Him, Naked Rat of the Mole kind - Kill him and wear his flesh as you do a victory dance!" With that - You deliver a doozy sidekick to Frankie's midsection that debones his ribs. Later the autopsy will show his ribs to be covered in BBQ sauce - Yes, the kick was that mighty. With chin and ribs missing Frankie goes down, face first in a pile of highly peppered nachos.
Maybe you should just stay home.
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nickytea
Master Member
Sorry, Paul, I can't get behind your notion that the connection people have with these is entirely based on it being "new."
There are plenty of new flicks that are rejected outright by the general public. (Hell, there's plenty I can't stomach myself.)
At the end of the day, I think aspects of it are landing with them in a way they aren't landing with you. Regardless of what's new. Also, I've looked back and not seen any posts here as you've boasted of people admitting they should have heeded your warnings against the shiny new.
I guess as a fan of the last movie, I mostly object to the idea that my enjoyment of it rests on my not being in touch with why I do, simply because I don't agree with you.
Is it not possible that there are those that legitimately enjoy and engage with Trek 09, regardless of the fact that it's new? (Forgetting that its now four years past.)
There are plenty of new flicks that are rejected outright by the general public. (Hell, there's plenty I can't stomach myself.)
At the end of the day, I think aspects of it are landing with them in a way they aren't landing with you. Regardless of what's new. Also, I've looked back and not seen any posts here as you've boasted of people admitting they should have heeded your warnings against the shiny new.
I guess as a fan of the last movie, I mostly object to the idea that my enjoyment of it rests on my not being in touch with why I do, simply because I don't agree with you.
Is it not possible that there are those that legitimately enjoy and engage with Trek 09, regardless of the fact that it's new? (Forgetting that its now four years past.)
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No. That's not possible.
Honestly, I don't really care so much with what they are doing with Trek as I do with other things - ahem, Superman. Trek has changed so many times over the years - IMO for the worse, but there were a few episodes of Enterprise I liked. I stand by my theory that many people, not all, but most like the new Trek because it's new. Four years is not that long nowadays, especially when you're talking movies. It's mostly the special effects that carry these new films - I highly doubt people will be discussing the intricate structure or plot twists come Monday. I don't know why, but TOS, made of it's cardboard and ice cube trays made me feel more like I was in the future than this new film does. Things seemed to take place more because they needed them to rather than some natural course of events. I mean, there is no reason for Kirk to be made Captain other than that's where we the audience know he's supposed to be. Iron Man is a puff piece, but at least there are interesting things going on.
I'm not against anyone who likes the new Trek - I just don't like it - mostly because it's bad storytelling.
Trust me, those who don't like the film get plenty of flack just as much as those who do like it. That Onion video, while clever and cute, does not reflect my opinion towards the last movie at all, yet people keep bringing it up as a clever way of dismissing Trekkie's opinions as to why they don't like the film personally. I'm not going to tell you that liking the last film or even this film means you hate classic Star Trek. From a general perspective, the last film is entertaining. I simply disagree with folks who believe that JJ's Star Trek represents the best of what the franchise has to offer. I cannot agree with that point so long as JJ and his High Court center their Star Trek around action oriented stories. Now there is nothing wrong with having a Star Trek story centered around action, just as there is nothing wrong with a Star Trek story that doesn't have any action either. But since Paramount is making Star Trek as a "big budget summer block buster" series, the franchise is unfortunately trapped in this "action series" genre where it can't do anything else.
Is JJ's direction for Star Trek what it needs to be at this moment in time? Sure. I can understand the merits of one making that argument. Is JJ's direction of Star Trek what it should be from now on? Heck no. In conclusion, I'll leave this bit from SFDebris where he actually tries to understand how both sides have good reason to like and hate the last movie.
SFDebris said:
Zuiun
Sr Member
Sho'Nuff: "What?!? Why don't I sit down and WHAT?"
"I SAID why don't you sit down and shut up!"
Sho'Nuff: "Why don't anybody who wants me to sit down and shut up come down here and make me? Why don't any FIFTY of you who want me to sit down and shut up come down here just for the fun of it!"
The Shogun of Harlem now returns you to your Star Trek discussion...
Shhhhh! Never reveal sources.
All I'm saying Nick is we are in the disco age of movies. The beat is more important than the lyrics. There's people on the floor dancing and if you want to get out there and shake your groove thing you go on -- but don't expect me not to tease you tomorrow.
JD
Master Member
I'm not calling him a liar.
Anyone remember Transwarp beaming?
Apparently it's back in full force because Harrison, after attacking the Federation War Room literally beams away from the small craft he's in ALL THE WAY TO KRONOS. I guess the no-win scenario can now be beaten with relative ease now that the transporter range is apparently limitless.
MooCriket
Master Member
Shhhhh! Never reveal sources.
All I'm saying Nick is we are in the disco age of movies. The beat is more important than the lyrics. There's people on the floor dancing and if you want to get out there and shake your groove thing you go on -- but don't expect me not to tease you tomorrow.
Angelus Lupus
Sr Member
Space, the final frontier. These are the voyages of...
Oh no, wait, we don't need the Enterprise, we'll just BEAM THERE!? Doesn't that just totally ruin one of the key elements, i.e. the Starships? :facepalm Or how about when the Borg get Transwarp beaming and just beam everyone off Earth rather than sending a Cube?:rolleyes
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
Man you know me too well! :lol And here I spent 6 hours in deep meditation, contorting myself into impossible postures that only the very thin were ever meant to get into. I had to clear my psyche so as to find a happy place where I could import these new guys into my beloved characters! I had to leterally argue with my inner voice that was telling me, THIS IS NOT STAR TREK! I had to give that inner voice a very strong talking to as well as a dozen donuts. It was pissed off because as it said, "You KNOW I like cinnamon rolls better!" I finally got it to accept the donuts, but somewhere around donut number 8, it's acid reflux acted up and it went into a convulsion of heart burn so bad that it vomitted raspberry filling all over the place!
Needless to say I then had to give my inner voice some fast acting pink stuff in order to quell that fire.
After we go through that crises, we got back on trak with Trek (Say THAT 39 time fast!)
By this time my muscles were severely aching from all of the twisting joints of the meditative posturing and to add to that I really had to go to the restroom! I had to literraly crawl, dragging my butt across the floor, not unlike a puppy with a really bad itch does, to make it to the restroom. And somewhere, mid-stream I came to final and total acceptance of these new guys that are being called Star Trek!
And now YOU come and call me out, totally destroying all I worked to achieve!
I'm telling Mom!
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