The alternate universe is looking better and better! :lol
Star Trek Into Darkness (Pre-release)
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The alternate universe is looking better and better! :lol
greatwazoo42
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The Star Trek Online Universe is looking pretty good these days too. I spend a lot of time there.
NakedMoleRat
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lol
I bet they're in the water on Naboo, and Ensign Jar-Jar freaks out when he sees the big fish creature, and tells Sulu to "Hold me, like you did by the lake here on Naboo; so long ago when there was nothing but our love. No politics, no plotting, no war."
And then the ship explodes.
And then the ship explodes.
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I would assume any starship that's exploring the unknown would be designed to operate under any kind of pressure within reason. Remember the Voyager's foray into that weird fluid universe? So it's not something JJ made up.
And they don't even seem to be that deep anyway.
One word - SHIELDS.
I believe the big issue is why is the Enterprise underwater in the first place. Wouldn't space itself be adequate enough to hide it from the locals? Wouldn't it be easier to hide a shuttle underwater instead of a huge starship? I think a starship coming out of the ocean will make a lot more noise than a shuttlecraft.
greatwazoo42
Master Member
Another word: FICTION.
Anything is possible in a story. Take Geordi's visor for example. Sometimes the thing was only twice as good as human vision, other times he could read the label on God's boxer shorts while God was wearing them from the other side of all creation.
Riceball
Master Member
If shields are the answer then they better give some technobabble explanation on how the shields have been reconfigured by reversing their polarity, changing the flow of the dilithium matrix in order to emit a stream of tachyon particles through the deflector array that alters the harmonic frequency of the shields so that it now acts as a pressure hull.
Yeah, but you don't want to always do things just for the sake of doing them. If you don't establish some ground rules in which your fictional universe operates in, you're not going to make much of an interesting universe if anything is possible.
The Star Trek franchise as a whole gave itself a set of rules that have been relevant to the series from TOS all the way to VOY. Like not being able to beam through the shields and having limited transporter range. Any episode that contradicted those rules were always called out on it.
JJ's Star Trek doesn't adhere to these kind of rules nor does it have any intention of setting up it's own rules. They pretty much adhere to "It's awesome so let's put it in the movie". One instance is the Transwarp equation, a plot device meant solely to move the story along and give us Simon Pegg gags. What's worse is that this Transwarp beaming is something that should fundamentally change the very means of how Starfleet should work. They're beaming individuals lightyears away onto an object moving faster than light. How can we take this piece of fiction seriously when it's willing to toss out so many of it's own rules just for the sake of convenience?
The shields in JJ's Star Trek are no longer bubble shields. They're Polarized hull plating that they decided to just call shields just for the heck of it.
Also, the deflector array is not the only place that generates the shields since It's primary purpose is to push objects away from the Enterprise when it's going into warp.
Demetrios2177
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A distinguishing feature of Mr. Lindelof's writing, I suppose.
His distinguishing feature is making sure the story is none of the audience's business. If you feel like the story is leaving you out, that's him.
Riceball
Master Member
From TNG on it was also one of the primary means of emitting things like tachyon particles, polaron rays, neutron emissions, reverse boron ray shielding, and all sorts of other technobabble solutions to problems. 9 times out of 10 whenever the Enterprise, Voyager, or Defiant needed to do something that involves emitting some sort of (currently) theoretical particle, or energy they do it through the deflector dish/array.
Demetrios2177
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Good grief, are we still going on about the ship underwater debate?! :facepalm There is absolutely no reason why the Enterprise wouldn't be able to go under water. Modern era spacecraft have very thin skins but that's a consideration of weight. If it was cheap to lift a heavy, steel armored capsule into orbit we would. And the TOS Enterprise was a tough, strong ship. Remember when Apollo's hand was applying huge amount of pressure to the hull? *****, people, it's in ST canon the ship can withsatnd that!
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