Star Trek Into Darkness (Post-release)
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ghostryder
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greatwazoo42
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That's just so very wrong and yet it works perfectly. LOL! 
That's just so very wrong and yet it works perfectly. LOL!
I can't stand Power Rangers but that one does work perfectly! :lol
Father
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It's pretty common in the Trek-verse though. How many episodes and movies relied on a time-travel/alternate universe storyline between all of the Trek shows. More than I can count off the top of my head. I think having that in the new movies is just being consistent with what I always considered one of the more intriguing plot lines.
greatwazoo42
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Dulmur: Be specific, Captain, which Enterprise? There've been five.
Lucsly: Six.
Captain Sisko: This was the first Enterprise - Constitution-class.
Dulmur: His ship!
Lucsly: James T. Kirk.
Captain Sisko: The one and only!
Lucsly: Seventeen separate temporal violations; the biggest file on record.
Dulmur: The man was a menace.
Lucsly: Six.
Captain Sisko: This was the first Enterprise - Constitution-class.
Dulmur: His ship!
Lucsly: James T. Kirk.
Captain Sisko: The one and only!
Lucsly: Seventeen separate temporal violations; the biggest file on record.
Dulmur: The man was a menace.
Solo4114
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Consistent, perhaps, but it's also getting a bit tired now. Same deal with the KHAAAAAN stuff. It's a rebooted universe. You have the freedom to do anything you want (Within reason). Why go back to the same ol' same ol'?
greatwazoo42
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Associatable Marketability.
Solo4114
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Bingo.
Father
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I agree. I think it's an easy-out plot device (Deus Ex Machina). I love time travel stories but I think they can only be effectively used a few ways.
1.) Main plot - Movies like Butterfly Effect and Sound of Thunder... Fun movies because of the cause-effect of changing events in time... but also need to be REALLY thought out to avoid being torn apart by all the potential plot holes.
2.) Means to an end - A device to move the story along, but not really the focal point of the story as much as a vehicle for it. I think of Star Trek IV this way. Yes, it's a save the future by changing the past, but the movie doesn't dwell on all the ripple effects of the "temporal violations".
3.) Retconning - Easiest way to undo a previous writer/director's horrible mistakes in a franchise (or to undo the greatness of a writer/director's previous work... Terminator anyone?).
I'm sure we could break this down even further but I think that's a pretty good starting point. Like I said... I love a good time travel movie, when one is actually made. I just hate when it gets ruined by follow-on movies that end up distorting it.
Riceball
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Technically speaking JJ Trek isn't a reboot, it's still TOS but set in an alternate timeline/universe. However, with all of the changes that they've made they might as well as have just officially called it a reboot and figured out a way to do both movies without Nimoy that way fans would have less to complain about.
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Father
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Good point. Alternate timline/universe... with a completely alternate timeline cast, set, etc.
It's like a crossover-hybrid-reboot... or something.
greatwazoo42
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With a side of disco fries.
Riceball
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Good point. Alternate timline/universe... with a completely alternate timeline cast, set, etc.
It's like a crossover-hybrid-reboot... or something.
I think that it was JJ's attempt at rebooting Trek without actually being a reboot in an attempt to try to not to **** off the fans because by setting it in an "alternate timeline" everything from TOS to TNG on still happened and will happen while at the same time changing things to suit whatever he felt like doing to Trek. Unfortunately, I think he changed too much and he just ended up pissing off the fans anyway which is why I think that he should have just had the balls to actually reboot it and call it a day that all of the changes wouldn't have mattered because it was a reboot.
Solo4114
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I think the problem with the "alternate timeline" thing is that it calls into question various things in Trek '09 and Into Darkness. I'm talking stuff like Khan being a white guy instead of an Indian, for example. The hardcore fans know enough about the franchise's history and the in-universe background for it that changing one point in the timeline doesn't end up giving you QUITE as much license to change whatever you want as you might think. Thus, in the attempt to perhaps placate the hardcore fans, the execution ends up irritating them for different reasons and you might as well just say "Ok, so, all of that other trek stuff happened...and this is a new thing entirely, starting from scratch."
Of course, you still have the myopic marketing issues, but that's a separate concern.
Riceball
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I agree wholeheartedly which is why I feel that JJ & co. just should have manned up and just call it a reboot like it is and gotten re-worked the Nimoy scenes from the first one and not used him in Into Darkness. While making it a reboot would have still gotten a lot of grumbling from a lot of die-hard Trekkies I think that it would have pissed off fewer than this whole alternate timeline-reboot hybrid which I think pisses fans off more because they changed things that shouldn't have been affected. That or JJ should have set the splitting point much further back in Trek history to explain Khan being a white guy, Starfleet ships and uniforms looking a lot different from the way they did in TOS, as well as the changes in back story for all of the crew.
NakedMoleRat
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Well, my TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT DVD's are all safe on my shelf. They did not dissappear in a temporal 'poof' due to JJ Trek. I can still watch them at any time, as well as these movies too. So I just look at them as entertainment, not some part of a bigger grander scheme. Heck, even established Trek took a downward spiral when Roddenberry deid and Berman closed the continuity department!
greatwazoo42
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Word brother! Speak that Truth! I still get annoyed with people acting like Abrams personally showed up at their homes and with a single lens flare erased their person Trek Collections.
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