Huh, wait - what? I haven't checked in on this thread in a long time and now I come back and Bry is speaking ill of the new movie?!?! I must have missed Rod Serling standing somewhere around here narrating my journey into the Twilight Zone.
Star Trek Into Darkness (Post-release)
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Huh, wait - what? I haven't checked in on this thread in a long time and now I come back and Bry is speaking ill of the new movie?!?! I must have missed Rod Serling standing somewhere around here narrating my journey into the Twilight Zone.
I have been consistent in being critical of the inclusion of Khan in so far as he didn't contribute to the story in a meaningful way. He could have been anyone,mother fact that he was Khan was superfluous to the story, a story I very much enjoyed. I enjoyed the character moments even more. 
ghostryder
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greatwazoo42
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The whole last minute of that video is a riot!!!
ghostryder
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What *was* that ailment that Kirk had, was that explained?
And was George Kirk in the film, noticed he was in the credits.
And was George Kirk in the film, noticed he was in the credits.
Jaitea
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If you've got more than 7 minutes (quite a bit more than 7 minutes) watch this:
Watch Half in the Bag Episode 53: Star Trek Into Darkness | RedLetterMedia Episodes | Animation & Comics Videos | Blip
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Watch Half in the Bag Episode 53: Star Trek Into Darkness | RedLetterMedia Episodes | Animation & Comics Videos | Blip
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jlee562
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To nitpick the nitpicking just for the fun of it, there is a good reason to not give every ship a transwarp beaming device. The more that technology proliferates, the higher the chances that it falls into enemy hands, which would lose the tactical advantage
I mean, like those secret stealth helicopters used in the bin Laden raid. Yeah, they have them, but they didn't make every blackhawk into the super secret stealth version. Or maybe they did, and they're so stealthy we don't even know about it. 8)
I mean, like those secret stealth helicopters used in the bin Laden raid. Yeah, they have them, but they didn't make every blackhawk into the super secret stealth version. Or maybe they did, and they're so stealthy we don't even know about it. 8)
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Because you wouldn't want anything else like Photon Torpedoes, Phasers, warp drive, "regular" transporters, data pertaining to Federation establishments, to fall into the wrong hands. I get that we must not let technology fall into the wrong hands, but our characters are using a ship that has enough armaments to pulverize an entire planet, and those are designed to cause massive destruction.
Actually, there's a reason they never used them in mass because they weren't as good as Black Hawks and the enemies we have been fighting don't really have the capability detect incoming helicopters miles away. Even "Zero Dark Thirty" made that point.
Even if we did use these helicopters all the time only in secret, we still use advanced weaponry and technology whenever we fight against an enemy like al qaeda or the Taliban. The difference between the Transwarp equation and the stealth helicopters is that the Transwarp equation is not only super practical, it can be used in a non-hostile manner like ship or planetary evacuations. So the only reason not to use Transwarp Beaming is because it works. Current transporter technology can still beam an armed torpedo into any area that isn't shielded, and if you're convinced that Scotty did not use the Transwarp Beaming to beam Kirk and Spock over to the Narada from Titan, you can beam hundreds of bombs onto a planet's surface when it's nothing but a small dot outside a window.
jlee562
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I didn't seriously mean to make this a thing, more in jest; but, since you went there, the transwarp device is a product of section 31. So if we really want to get down to the nitty gritty, it's a piece of proprietary technology developed by a clandestine agency. If you go to the International Spy Museum in D.C, you'll see also sorts of covert devices developed by intelligence agencies. This is really the best real world analogy. Like a real life a Bond Q, but about 80% less ridiculous. Those of kinds of technology are the kinds which organizations try to keep under wraps.
to bring it back to Trek, initially, they had a Romulan officer on the Defiant to operate the cloaking device. Propietary technology. Cloaking devices would have legitimate uses in Starfleet as well, like a less evil and more astrobiological version of Insurrection. It's a nice way to avoid the observer's paradox, and keeps the prime directive. Likewise, not all Klingon or Romulan ships have cloaking devices.
But yeah, ok stealth copter not the best analogy, I'll cop to that.
to bring it back to Trek, initially, they had a Romulan officer on the Defiant to operate the cloaking device. Propietary technology. Cloaking devices would have legitimate uses in Starfleet as well, like a less evil and more astrobiological version of Insurrection. It's a nice way to avoid the observer's paradox, and keeps the prime directive. Likewise, not all Klingon or Romulan ships have cloaking devices.
But yeah, ok stealth copter not the best analogy, I'll cop to that.
Which was based on an equation created by Scotty who, thanks to Spock, finally understood what he was doing wrong in getting his equation to work. Not only was Spock able to incorporate this equation to be usable in a broken down shuttlecraft, but Scotty was able to use it on the Enterprise's transporters since the ship didn't need to be in close orbit to the planet in order to transported. If that was the regular transporter that was able to transport Kirk and Spock onto the Narada, why didn't they use the Enterprise's transporter to beam onto Qu'nos (Kronos) which was clearly visible from where the Enterprise broke down?
There's no real good reason why the Transwarp Equation isn't still being used. Not wanting it to fall into the wrong hands is one thing, but unless the Federation instituted a law what bans "delete" keys from all terminals, the equation is less likely to fall into the wrong hands if the ship is captured since all you have to do is delete it from the computer.
Riceball
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Because sometimes there's just not enough time to hit that "delete" key before things start going to Hell in a handbasket or things start blowing up around you and the "delete" key is no longer functioning or not even there anymore. Although they've shown the computer onboard Federation vessels to be all but indestructable it's only realistic to expect situations where the ship has taken so much damage or damage to the right part(s) that the computer is either completely blown to hell or simply no longer capable of responding to any sort of input, verbal or manual. If something like happens how would you be able to delete the transporter codes & the like? Sure, you could try to physically destroy the computer's memory core but what if you don't have time and/or can't access it and the self-destruct no longer works?
Thinking about this a little and the way that the US sometimes decides on how to deploy some of its highest tech toys, it's entirely possible that the Federation doesn't currently see a need to use such an advanced tech as the quantum transporter equation much like how we didn't bother to use F-22s during our attack on Libya. Without a pressing need for the advancement in transporter tech it's possible that the Federation/Starfleet feels that it's better to keep it on the down low for the moment rather than risk knowledge of its existence, or worse yet, the actual equations get out to potential enemies.
SSgt Burton
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1) It experimental
2) It's only been used three times (so how do we know if it truly "works", it might start tearing people to pieces on the fourth try).
3) There is probably still a romanticism that "star voyagers" would like to explore the galaxy in starships and not just beam around.
4) One big theme of the film is the "militarization" of Starfleet. The plot of Section 31 grabbing the technology so they can use it for covert operations (more than likely outside the laws/rules of the Federation) and "not" allowing the exploration side of Starfleet to have it, is along the same lines of WOK and David's suspicion of Starfleet ("scientists have always been pawns of the military"). However in this case Section 31 represents the "military" and Starfleet in general represents the scientists. Certainly Starfleet could use a superduper transporter, however Section 31 wants to hoard the tech for their own selfish use.
Blame Section 31.
To be honest the idea of Khan "beaming" to Kronos is a weak part of the film. However "I" let it slide just like I allow a group of trained scientists (who have mapped a star system) to mistake Ceti Alpha 5 for Ceti Alpha 6 slide.
Kevin
2) It's only been used three times (so how do we know if it truly "works", it might start tearing people to pieces on the fourth try).
3) There is probably still a romanticism that "star voyagers" would like to explore the galaxy in starships and not just beam around.
4) One big theme of the film is the "militarization" of Starfleet. The plot of Section 31 grabbing the technology so they can use it for covert operations (more than likely outside the laws/rules of the Federation) and "not" allowing the exploration side of Starfleet to have it, is along the same lines of WOK and David's suspicion of Starfleet ("scientists have always been pawns of the military"). However in this case Section 31 represents the "military" and Starfleet in general represents the scientists. Certainly Starfleet could use a superduper transporter, however Section 31 wants to hoard the tech for their own selfish use.
Blame Section 31.
To be honest the idea of Khan "beaming" to Kronos is a weak part of the film. However "I" let it slide just like I allow a group of trained scientists (who have mapped a star system) to mistake Ceti Alpha 5 for Ceti Alpha 6 slide.
Kevin
Is it just me, or did anyone else find the scene where Khan crushed Admiral Marcus' skull more than just a bit disgusting and disturbing?
I mean yeah: it shows how strong Khan is and how evil he is, but it's still pretty gross to hear that "KA-SPLORTCH!!!"
Guess we know now why Robocop wears a helmet....
I mean yeah: it shows how strong Khan is and how evil he is, but it's still pretty gross to hear that "KA-SPLORTCH!!!"
Guess we know now why Robocop wears a helmet....
DARKSIDE72
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DARKSIDE72
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It's a movie and WHO GIVES A FLYING ****! Same garbage can be said of any film...
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