Star Trek Into Darkness (Post-release)

[pengbuzz]

As for the technology such as Transwarp Beaming: I reckon it's still experimental, as previously mentioned. There might be limits on it and certain circumstances it can or cannot be used under. Not to mention that someone like Admiral Marcus would definitely want to maintain an "upper hand" by keeping such a technology to a certain section of Starfleet (i.e. Section 31). He would want an "ace in the hole" should a situation arise, and not want that "ace" to be taken and used by someone else, seeing that he has the attitude that he alone knows how to properly use that tech. He demonstrated this attitude with the Vengeance, having had it built in secret rather than trying to justify it before the Federation Council. Such a personality has an element of arrogance and elitism that thinks they are the only ones capable of controlling a situation, possession or anything else. In fact, it's this attitude that created the conditions for someone like Khan to escape and wreak mass chaos.

 

[DuneMuadDib]

Is it just me, or did anyone else find the scene where Khan crushed Admiral Marcus' skull more than just a bit disgusting and disturbing?


I mean yeah: it shows how strong Khan is and how evil he is, but it's still pretty gross to hear that "KA-SPLORTCH!!!"


Guess we know now why Robocop wears a helmet....

That probably was the point.

 

[pengbuzz]

Yeah...now that you mention it, it probably was.

 

[astroboy]

I think one of the biggest problems I have for this series is that everything has superpowers all for convenience. Transwarp beaming? The enterprise goes underwater?

The thing is, obstacles actually help a script. They can provide downtime. Or even problems to solve with strategy.

Look at how little time it takes to get anywhere in this universe. Remember when it would take 21 hours to get to a destination? Now it takes 4 minutes to get to the Klingon home world. At this pace, we will never get a conference in the ready room. We will never get a moment of character reflection

In this series, voyageur would have been a two parter

 

[Jeyl]

To be honest the idea of Khan "beaming" to Kronos is a weak part of the film. However "I" let it slide just like I allow a group of trained scientists (who have mapped a star system) to mistake Ceti Alpha 5 for Ceti Alpha 6 slide.

At least the characters acknowledged that mistake, yet no one ever brings up the idea of using transwarp beaming equation to beam the torpedoes to Khan's general location. Sure Admiral Marcus wanted to strand the Enterprise there, but no one, not even Kirk even considers using it as an option. You don't have to worry about your equation falling into the wrong hands if you're using it on Earth. If you can use the equation to beam two guys from broken down shuttle craft onto a ship lightyears away traveling many times faster than the speed of light, I think the chances of successfully beaming one of the 72 torpedoes at Khan's location on a planet are pretty good.

This plot hole is less TWOK's "mistook Ceti Alpha 5 for Ceti Alpha 6" and more Generations "Why go back minutes before he launches the sun destroying missile and simply go back when he's on the bloody Enterprise?". You have something at your disposal that works, but you're not going to use it because of bullcrap.

4) One big theme of the film is the "militarization" of Starfleet.

If militarizing Starfleet is bad, why does Starfleet assign military ranks to it's personnel who operate a ship in a military like fashion? What about the Enterprise herself, which in this movie has more torpedo launchers than all the other previous Enterprise ships combined, even the post-Wolf 359 Enterprise-E? I don't really see how the Vengeance is the "bad" ship simply because it has weapons. The only significant difference between the Vengeance and the Enterprise is that the Vengeance is bigger, can move faster, be controlled by one person, and it comes in a darker color. I don't think any one of those details is exclusive only to the military. Otherwise we'll have to outlaw, well, every vehicle available to the public today.

I get the idea and I get the intent, it's just not done well at all

 

[Solo4114]

In this series, voyageur would have been a two parter

You say that like it would've been a bad thing.

 

[Riceball]

If militarizing Starfleet is bad, why does Starfleet assign military ranks to it's personnel who operate a ship in a military like fashion? What about the Enterprise herself, which in this movie has more torpedo launchers than all the other previous Enterprise ships combined, even the post-Wolf 359 Enterprise-E? I don't really see how the Vengeance is the "bad" ship simply because it has weapons. The only significant difference between the Vengeance and the Enterprise is that the Vengeance is bigger, can move faster, be controlled by one person, and it comes in a darker color. I don't think any one of those details is exclusive only to the military. Otherwise we'll have to outlaw, well, every vehicle available to the public today.

I get the idea and I get the intent, it's just not done well at all

As far as the rank thing goes, it;s pretty much par for course for any maritime vessel presently on Earth to operate using a military style rank structure regardless of whether it's military or civilian. Take a look at a cruise liner for example, all of the ship's crew wear naval style uniforms complete with epaulettes with stripes on them indicating rank and I guarantee you that each and every one of the ship's crew does actually have a rank and aren't just wearing the stripes for show. The same even applies to airliners, the pilot is the Captain and his co-pilot is often introduced as a Commander and they often wear uniforms with stripes on epaulettes or rings around their jacket cuffs to indicate rank.

Of course you'll argue that cruise ships and airliners aren't armed either which is true but that isn't really a flaw in my argument, it just puts Starfleet in a weird grey area. I think that the best analogy for Starfleet is the way that the US Coast Guard used to operate, they operated armed ships and used military ranks but were not normally part of the DoD but were part of the Dept. of Transportation instead, though they DHS now. In times of war they could be "called up" and made part of the DoD to support Naval operations both at home and abroad. So basically, Starfleet is like a cross between NASA & the US Coast Guard with the difference in that it becomes the US Navy in times of war.

 

[astroboy]

You say that like it would've been a bad thing.

lol.

I realized I was setting that up for a punchline as I was typing it......

 

[ghostryder]

Making of Star Trek Into Darkness "Ship to Ship" - Video

 

[rockydog101]

I just hope we don't have to see Kirk lose the Enterprise only to get it back to save the world every single movie.

 

[ghostryder]

J.J. Abrams apologizes for all those Star Trek lens flares

 

[Michael Bergeron]

J.J. Abrams apologizes for all those Star Trek lens flares

Thank *****. :lol

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[Bryancd]

I just love it that we are still discussing this movie, for good or for ill. Reminds me of the endless "Prometheus" thread debate. To be honest, passionate discussion, for and against, makes me feel even more comfortable about the future of Trek.

 

[greatwazoo42]

"But I think admitting you're an addict is the first step towards recovery." - JJ Abrams about lens flares. HAH!

 

[Jeyl]

Alright. Preview pages for Star Trek Khan have been released and we actually get to see Khan's trial! Plus this little tidbit where....

....they actually make a point that Benedict Cumberbatch looks nothing like Ricardo Montalban. Just another example of fixing things in comics.

 

[kialna]

I still want to read it. So I'll be looking for the issues.

 

[Angelus Lupus]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: If you have to publish a comic to explain details/errors in the film, then the film didn't work.

 

[seelsa73]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: If you have to publish a comic to explain details/errors in the film, then the film didn't work.

For non-Trekkies/trekkers, casual Trek viewers, and the general movie-going audience, there were no continuity issues for them to scoff at with the movies. They're not attempting to apologize for the movie's perceived errors with these comics, they're attempting to appease the die hards who complained.

 

[greatwazoo42]

For non-Trekkies/trekkers, casual Trek viewers, and the general movie-going audience, there were no continuity issues for them to scoff at with the movies. They're not attempting to apologize for the movie's perceived errors with these comics, they're attempting to appease the die hards who complained.

Exactly.

 

[RougeAvenger81]

Alright. Preview pages for Star Trek Khan have been released and we actually get to see Khan's trial! Plus this little tidbit where....

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x436/lordJeyl/whattheheck_zps3b22faa7.jpg

....they actually make a point that Benedict Cumberbatch looks nothing like Ricardo Montalban. Just another example of fixing things in comics.

I'm ok with explaining this or even say that he is not really Khan. That would have been better that he wasn't anyways. However, it would have needed to be something already in the film, not an after thought in a comic that only trekkies will read. The fact is they messed up by even saying he was Khan to begin with. If they wanted to "hint" at Khan or since the story line took so many things from space seed/star trek 2, they could have left him as Harrison and explained he was trying to get the crew back because it had his leader still in hibernation. Not saying his name, but perhaps when they opened a torpedo or at the end when he is back in hibernation and the camera scrolls over the pods you see a CGI version of Khan in one of them. Very brief. Just a tip of the hat so to speak. Not trying to redo what was already great. Would have made more sense to trekkies and been a lot better then rehashing what has already been done. As good as Benedict was as an actor it's just not the same and they should have done something similar to what I described or left it alone entirely.