Mola Rob
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What a boring book. I learned more about right whales than I ever wanted to.
Star Trek Into Darkness (Post-release)
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Bellicose...you and Khan.
Robinson
Sr Member
But not the original intent.
You say his goal was vengeance, but it was vengeance against Marcus. He got that vengeance by killing Marcus. Then after he thought he lost his crew again and his ship was crippled he then sets the target to starfleet. Thats desperation more than revenge.
You say his goal was vengeance, but it was vengeance against Marcus. He got that vengeance by killing Marcus. Then after he thought he lost his crew again and his ship was crippled he then sets the target to starfleet. Thats desperation more than revenge.
A desperate act to attack those who had done him wrong. He might have killed Admiral Marcus, but Spock was the one who he thought had killed his entire crew.
Robinson
Sr Member
No, it was a desperate act to try to inflict as much damage as possible and go out in a perceived blaze of glory.
If it was anywhere else on earth besides san francisco he would have done the exact same thing.
he wasnt preoccupied about the enterprise or spock, to him the ship was dead and falling, he didnt need to worry about them anymore.
If it was anywhere else on earth besides san francisco he would have done the exact same thing.
he wasnt preoccupied about the enterprise or spock, to him the ship was dead and falling, he didnt need to worry about them anymore.
seelsa73
Sr Member
Sorry, I thought you were talking about the beginning of the movie...my bad.
jlee562
Sr Member
Even if we're going to say he did it out of revenge/vengeance...so what? That still doesn't mean that STID draws more from TWOK than Space Seed, which is the original point of contention. I've made my case as to why I believe it to be true. So as far as I'm concerned, we're done here.
RougeAvenger81
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I enjoyed the film, but it took a lot from WROK. Point being, Karl Urban, during a recent interview spoke about where he would like the next film to go and his expectations. Even he said, very firmly, although he enjoyed filming STID, he really hopes whom ever directs the film, JJ or otherwise, that they bring in a strong sense of originality to the film. He stated he would love to be a part of a completely original film that does not take from any other film or series aside from those elements needed to maintain authenticity. I for one, agree.
Not to belabor the point, but the only thing Into Darkness shares with TWOK are two characters (Khan and Carol Marcus) and the death scene, otherwise they are entirely different stories.
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RougeAvenger81
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I was just saying I agree with Urban in the fact that yes, it was a good film, however I would also like to see a completely original story now. They are on the 5 year mission now. Time to find new enemies and problems.
On a side note it has been rumored that making John Harris Khan was a last minute change. In some ways you could tell. I personally think if they would have left him as simply a new character like nero, I think a lot of fans that are upset about the film (not me) would have been a lot happier and perfectly fine with the film.
On a side note it has been rumored that making John Harris Khan was a last minute change. In some ways you could tell. I personally think if they would have left him as simply a new character like nero, I think a lot of fans that are upset about the film (not me) would have been a lot happier and perfectly fine with the film.
And that means what exactly? They departed for deep space in the last movie to seek out new life and new civilizations, yet they still came back to Earth like their adventure was nothing more than a walk across the street. I think folks put too much faith in this team's ability to move forward.
Zombie_61
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Am I forgetting something? I only remember them encountering an augmented human from Earth's past, and some Klingons they already knew about. :confused
Zombie_61
Master Member
Oh, right. Yeah, I did forget about that. :lol
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