You said
- "Clearly you don't know much about the business of film production."
I said
- "Sorry, but I don't use the "film business" card to excuse crappy writing."
I don't see how that was meant to imply you worked in the film business.
Star Trek Into Darkness (Post-release)
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I don't see how that was meant to imply you worked in the film business.
msleeper
Sr Member
When I said he was the only person who didn't like them, I didn't realize I should have specified that I was not being literal. In the industry we call this "exaggeration".
First off, I will also say that I think their assessment of the film is spot-on with my own. Go back 1 page and read my thoughts on the film. I posted that before I got around to watching the RLM review. Now maybe it's just coincidence but the sentiment is more or less parallel. What's not coincidence is that, by and large, my opinions on movies tend to fall in line with theirs. That's why I choose to consume and promote them as worthwhile content.
Secondly, because you seem to be unaware of the fact, the guys behind RLM have been making films for something like 13 years, and they met in college studying (you guessed it) film. Jay Bauman - that is, the skinny one - is incredibly intelligent when it comes to film on both a technical level and artistically. He shows his chops more in the new "Best of the Worst" series than in "Half in the Bag", but I either one of them of them know more about what makes a movie than you or I combined.
Are you seriously suggesting that because someone expresses their opinion in an internet video series, that the format somehow negates their experience or their opinion? Would you feel they were "more legitimate" if they posted their opinion on a random internet message board instead?
Or would their legitimacy be confirmed if they just simply agreed with you?
Proper
Well-Known Member
This type of baseless bashing is what I find insulting and offensive! And I'm not even one of the bashees. Although I am in the business in a way and I understand that you cannot please every wise-cracking, little arm-chair malcontent. The "writers and director" have worked hard to accomplish the near-impossible job of pleasing a wide audience and to put out a product that has resurrected Star Trek from the dead and is being enjoyed by millions of Trek fans and non-Trek fans who would otherwise have NOTHING to enjoy! So, get a little perspective and have a little respect! Or not; because this kind of trash-talk reveals a lot about the trash-talker than anything else. How sad and pathetic!
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DARTH SABER
Master Member
for over 100 pages in the pre-release STID thread you were complaining about every single piece of info that popped up about this movie before you even saw it...now youre playing coy and acting as though you were giving this film a benefit of a doubt before its release??
you had your mind made up before you even saw it. ...please.
Proper
Well-Known Member
Exactly.
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DARTH SABER
Master Member
i have nothing against someone not liking a film..but since the release of the first film, which i enjoyed (sorry), there have been several threads, many of whoch have nothig to do with a critique of the film but maybe prop related or just positive remarks about it, and within record time someone will be in the thread complaining, bashing, making lens flare jokes etc. apparentlly its impossible to have a random JJ Trek thread without someone derailing it with complaints.
ive been on this board for over 10 years and ive never seen anything like this. a gripe or critique is fine, but over 100 pages worth of complaints, jeez, c'mon!
every time Jeyl makes a post all i see is - "youre stupid for liking this film and im smart for not liking it".
kind of ironic considering that there isnt a shred of evidence to support past two films are awful. the box office numbers are positive , the critic response is positive and the general movie goer word of mouth is positive....that pretty much covers all demographics...so what do you have to support these films are awful??
i see no tangible evidece at all.
ive been on this board for over 10 years and ive never seen anything like this. a gripe or critique is fine, but over 100 pages worth of complaints, jeez, c'mon!
every time Jeyl makes a post all i see is - "youre stupid for liking this film and im smart for not liking it".
kind of ironic considering that there isnt a shred of evidence to support past two films are awful. the box office numbers are positive , the critic response is positive and the general movie goer word of mouth is positive....that pretty much covers all demographics...so what do you have to support these films are awful??
i see no tangible evidece at all.
nickytea
Master Member
I'd be very interested to see exactly how math like that is performed.
Didn't even imply that, sir. The form of expression makes no difference to me. Neither does "experience." (Theirs I was not ignorant of, by the way.) Honestly, neither does someone agreeing with me. A shared opinion that is unjustified or unsupported is worth as little to me as the equivalent disagreement. I expect the same from them I do from anyone who decides to engage in a critique of a work.
As this is a Trek thread and not a Red Letter Media thread, we should probably just admit that we have reached an impasse. You find their reviews insightful, measured, and valuable. I do not. Agree to disagree.
Proper
Well-Known Member
You think? Most of these guys had their minds "mad-e" up before the opening credits.
msleeper
Sr Member
I take it you weren't following nickytea 's and my conversation. We weren't talking about the quality of the film at all. And if you think that I prejudged the movie before I watched it, I urge you to also read my thoughts on the movie on page 23. You know, the one where I said I really enjoyed the first Abrams ST and was hoping for something of the same quality?
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mynameschris
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Sometimes I wonder why people cant agree to not agree and go their separate ways, that and why people who dont like a certain topic have to go out of their way to find discussions to state their dislike or alternate opinion... Then I remember people have been doing that with religion, philosophy and any other concepts/ideas for centuries so its probably just human nature, so fill ya boots just make sure that whatever side your on dont get nasty.
That said I do wonder why people who dont like something spend their lives worrying about it, also I find the idea of making a Trek movie for the "unwashed" masses a funny one considering most non Star Trek/Scifi fans/Nerds/Geeks tend to think of people who like Star Trek as unwashed (and in a non metaphorical, more odor meaning manner at that) As someone who is more than a bit of a scifi geek I just ignore them and let them get back to their equally daft conversations about Football (thats real Football and not Rugby with body armour ) players, whos got more 'history' and complaining about the new home/away kit... Least I know I am a geek
That said I do wonder why people who dont like something spend their lives worrying about it, also I find the idea of making a Trek movie for the "unwashed" masses a funny one considering most non Star Trek/Scifi fans/Nerds/Geeks tend to think of people who like Star Trek as unwashed (and in a non metaphorical, more odor meaning manner at that)
As someone who is more than a bit of a scifi geek I just ignore them and let them get back to their equally daft conversations about Football (thats real Football and not Rugby with body armour ) players, whos got more 'history' and complaining about the new home/away kit... Least I know I am a geek You're wrong. I've never told anyone that they were stupid for liking the film, nor do I have any desire to do so. Whenever I try to talk about the film, I try to keep my focus on the film itself. If you like the film and think it's a great piece of entertainment, no one can prove you wrong. We just happen to have a difference of opinion.
Mola Rob
Sr Member
I wrote a review of the movie before I even watched the Red Letter Media bit and pretty much said the same thing they did. That's why I said I agreed with their overall opinion of the movie.
To change the subject a little your signature with the Gold Key comics theme is interesting. In my opinion Abram's version of Trek is closer to the Gold Key Star Trek comic books than anything else in the Trek universe. I enjoy both as pure action fun.
DARTH SABER
Master Member
i never said you did.
even if that means repeating the same thing for over 100 pages before youve even seen the film?
oh brother.
It's still just an opinion. If you don't like it, you're free to ignore me.
Proper
Well-Known Member
First of all that was not my post it was someone else's. I just agreed with it because although you may not have said as much, the implication is self-evident and clear.
Sorry I got the wrong name in, but can we please talk about the movie now? I think your issues with me are getting a bit ridiculous.
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JoMamma_Smurf
Master Member
Let me throw this in there and say that I was not a big fan of the last one and I'm not a star trek fan in general. But I saw this yesterday with the future Mrs. and her daughter and I actually liked it. They toned down the lens flares and it flowed well. I was never bored. Ohh. And I ran in to Skaught... Always cool to see that guy
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