Star Trek Into Darkness (Post-release)

We do not discuss it with outsiders. :p

You can thank both Khan's people and the ancestor of Data's creator for that...

That reminds me... Arik Soong said in that episode of Enterprise that he would pursue artificial life and that it would take a couple of generations for it to be reliable. Could it be that the robot/cyborg guy on the Enterprise in Into Darkness was the latest result of Soong's work?
 
Unless he was somehow pivotal in the plot in a way that we the viewers would never see, (which is SOP for Abrams) I'm fine with knowing next to nothing about "Science Officer 0718." Chances are, Kirk and co. encountered and defeated the Borg, and he's the first Borg graduate of the Academy.
 
I just wanted to say I absolutely love this movie. Now, I am not old enough to have seen TOS back in it's glory days, so what I am about to say may be about ready to crash the servers with angry responses, but whatever: I do not think the original series was not very good. It had several good classic episodes, but the rest were all Abraham Lincoln floating through space and haunted houses. The original acting was sub-par, and the way they always had Kirk give his big ethics speech at the end of most episodes made the script writing about as high quality as that of those stupid kids educational shows they run on PBS.

THAT BEING SAID, the reason that Start Trek has survived for half a century is because it moved forward with the redeeming qualities of the original series: great character relationships that are more powerful than the characters themselves, plot lines that may not be the height of creativity but pull you along with them anyway, and visuals so powerful you feel like what you are watching might just be real. I think that Into Darkness perfectly harnesses these immortal qualities.

Yes, Khan is an old villain that has been defeated before, but he served a brand new purpose in this movie by making us confront the issues of defining and confronting terrorism. Using old villains does not make a director lazy. By that definition we should never see the Romulans, Borg, or Klingons make another appearance again. By that definition Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back was lazily written because Darth Vader was back.

Yes, there are some technical inconsistencies and convent plot devices, but there always have been in Star Trek. In the original series they did not care just how big the Enterprise was, they kept adding rooms to it as needed to advance their stories along. So what if Abrams had to face the same problem in his movies. And if you want to talk about lazy plot devices, that's all that The Search For Spock was. "Hey everybody Spock's not really dead, the Genesis device repaired him. Except he is an infant now. And has no brain. And everything else made by Genesis is falling apart except him."

The point is that there are some imperfections in Into Darkness, just like in all Star Trek shows and movies, and any other universe for that matter, but it did expertly use all of the immortal features that have always sustained Star Trek.

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It did bother me a little that Admiral Marcus's accent suggested he was an admiral in the Confederate Navy, and yet his daughter had a prim and proper British accent.
 
It did bother me a little that Admiral Marcus's accent suggested he was an admiral in the Confederate Navy, and yet his daughter had a prim and proper British accent.

I just chalked that up to the same phenomenon that has Phil Collins with a British accent and his daughter Lily Collins with an American one... growing up in a separate household.
 
It did bother me a little that Admiral Marcus's accent suggested he was an admiral in the Confederate Navy, and yet his daughter had a prim and proper British accent.

I believe they have said a cut scene would have said she grew up in the UK with her mother so would have had a British accent.

It wouldnt even have had to be that way, Marcus could have been based in the UK for a time or simply sent his daughter to a School in the UK from an early age. I have met children of American service men and women in the past and they have either had twangs of another accent along with their American one, or no American accent at all.
 
Ok heres the deal to all of you who loved this movie, this weekend, GO SEE IT AGAIN.

Fast and furious 6 and Hangover 3 coming out Trek will probably get buried or come limpin in 3rd this weekend.

Hangover 3 with ALL IT'S BAD REVIEWS beat Trek thursday which surprised the hell outta me.

So all of you who liked this film do the Franchise a solid OR ELSE!
 
Nothing so pedestrian. :sleep

I have been known to throw a few lightning bolts in my day though ;)

Apollo didn't throw lightning bolts. That was Zeus. Apollo just stood there, played a miniature harp, shone with light, and had a prudish tomboy for a twin sister.
 
Outside of being an original character, Nero wasn't really "that" original. He was just an angry guy who wanted revenge against someone for the death of his wife, tortures his prisoners by putting bugs into their bodies as a means of extracting information and he stole a piece of technology originally meant for good intentions but instead seeks to use it as a planet annihilating weapon. Nero is essentially Khan boiled down to the most basic elements.

And if you want to go to that level, First Contact is basically BTTF Part II (timeline upset, must restore it), rehashing an old villain (the Borg) and ripping off TWOK (the Ahab references).

Especially given that we are in a post modern context, the lack of "originality" should not be inherently considered a negative mark.

Unless you're seriously going to argue that before TWOK no villain was ever spurred to action with a superweapon after losing his wife.

Nobody complained about TDK when Nolan used the Joker. Conversely, the introduction of the Son'a didn't make Insurrection a hit. It comes down to the story. And like I said a page back, fair enough if the story didn't float your boat. But comments from folks saying that JJ "can't" make an original movie, or that this film should be discounted because it used Khan, are a double standard.

No movie is going to please 100% of the audience, especially with a franchise as established, and with a very dedicated fan base like ST. But the more and more I think about Into Darkness, this movie is to the Star Trek franchise, as Skyfall is to the Bond franchise. It took the elements that needed updating and updated them to modern sensibilities, and incorporated the 'nostalgia' moments for the fans.
 
:lol
I'm a better shot than the old man, Zeus, besides he's never on the "Mount" hardly anymore if you catch my drift


Apollo didn't throw lightning bolts. That was Zeus. Apollo just stood there, played a miniature harp, shone with light, and had a prudish tomboy for a twin sister.
 
:lol
I'm a better shot than the old man, Zeus, besides he's never on the "Mount" hardly anymore if you catch my drift

Oh I'm sure he's doing something that involves "mounts"...

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The movie was original, it just used a character which in another timeline came from a weak episode and a superior movie follow up along with a few plot points, I dont remember any Admirals being assassinated, any Starships crashing near Starfleet headquarters or alien peoples being saved from a Volcano.

All of the "its a rip off of WOK" talk seems to revolve around one scene (which was not word for word a copy), a few additional lines and the bad guy.

So what if Khan was meant to be of Indian or oriental look, the actor was Mexican done up with makeup in his first appearance and then had his natural look in the follow up, his fellow supermen went from having a similar look to being white and aryan in appearance.
 
The movie was original, it just used a character which in another timeline came from a weak episode and a superior movie follow up along with a few plot points, I dont remember any Admirals being assassinated, any Starships crashing near Starfleet headquarters or alien peoples being saved from a Volcano.

All of the "its a rip off of WOK" talk seems to revolve around one scene (which was not word for word a copy), a few additional lines and the bad guy.

So what if Khan was meant to be of Indian or oriental look, the actor was Mexican done up with makeup in his first appearance and then had his natural look in the follow up, his fellow supermen went from having a similar look to being white and aryan in appearance.

Objects are "Oriental," people are not.

And I do actually think it matters that Khan is Indian, even if Montalban played it pretty straight up Hispanic (the inflections in his voice clearly are derivative of Mexican Spanish). However, I do not think that believing that Cumberbatch was miscast and believing that he gave a good performance are mutually exclusive.
 
Okay, complaining about a Brit or a Mexican cast to play someone who is supposedly a Sikh (given that he was genetically engineered, he's not "from" any specific country, other than a test tube or petri dish, and the term Sikh is a religious affiliation, not ethnic) is like complaining about a Frenchman playing a Scot pretending to be American or a Scot playing an Egyptian pretending to be Spanish, yet I never heard anyone argue as vehemently about the "racial/ethnic miscasting" of Highlander as I've heard here regarding the casting of Khan.
 
Matters of race are just skin deep when it comes to how bad the movie is. It's rotten to the core, and no amount of praise for Abrams will change it.
 
i loved the film as well. one thing that i do want to say is that some of the visuals were outstanding.

i loved the new warp effect with the warp trail left behind by the nacelles.

loved the shot of the enterprise at the beginning of the film leaving the planes atmosphere.

also loved the warp battle and the enterprise tumbling out of its warp stream. small details, but just awesome.
 
Genetically engineered does not necessarily imply that he was not without human parents. Sikhism is ostensibly a Punjabi religion. Sikhs don't really come from other countries.

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that you're not an ethnic minority.
 
No argument there - the E getting knocked out of warp was a great shot, and I liked the twin warp trails (though I wish effects shots like that would stay consistent across multiple films when it's the same ship/equipment.)
 
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