SS TIE weapon shroud
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ThomasModels
New Member
No, no, it's this one:
http://www.vcclite.com/images/page23/CLP125.gif
More info on local availability here:
http://www.vcclite.com/spec_pages/2004page23b.htm
:eek
Please, no applause, just 10's and 20's.
http://www.vcclite.com/images/page23/CLP125.gif
More info on local availability here:
http://www.vcclite.com/spec_pages/2004page23b.htm
:eek
Please, no applause, just 10's and 20's.
Kuhn Global
Sr Member
Wow. At a final cost per unit of 10 cents each? That is MUCH better that a couple of bucks each, eh? 
Something smells rotten in model land. LOL... I wonder why other modelers would sell these shrouds at 20X their original cost? Hmmmmm. I simply MUST be missing something important about these parts. Maybe I read their prices wrong to begin with? Or,.. maybe the 2 dollar fee was for a bulk buy?
The link Richard posted shows a bulk buy price of $2. I didn't see any pricing on Thomas's posted links, but they do look like the real deal.
So,.. what's the FINAL story and info of these shrouds? With my quick browsed reading,.. obviously I must have read wrong in another thread... or recieved the wrong impression.
Something smells rotten in model land. LOL... I wonder why other modelers would sell these shrouds at 20X their original cost? Hmmmmm. I simply MUST be missing something important about these parts. Maybe I read their prices wrong to begin with? Or,.. maybe the 2 dollar fee was for a bulk buy?
The link Richard posted shows a bulk buy price of $2. I didn't see any pricing on Thomas's posted links, but they do look like the real deal.
So,.. what's the FINAL story and info of these shrouds? With my quick browsed reading,.. obviously I must have read wrong in another thread... or recieved the wrong impression.
ThomasModels
New Member
Type in a part number in the Distributor Stock field, in this case clp125 and it brings up a list with a couple of vendors. One of them is Mouser Electronics:
http://www.mouser.com/search/refine.aspx?M...&Mkw=CLP125
In this case they are $ .09 each, or you can buy as many as 10 for :eek $ .08 each for a total of $ .80 plus about $6 shipping.
Whatever the were called or believed to be, they are (were) the base holder clips for a 5mm LED. You insert your LED into the clip, then snap it into your control or indicator panel. It looks like these clips were installed on models with their clips facing outward instead of inserted into a control panel to house an LED. They've been around for a few dozen years. Radio Shack may still have them in stock. I had no idea they were a sought after elusive part to a 'studio scale' model.
:confused
http://www.mouser.com/search/refine.aspx?M...&Mkw=CLP125
In this case they are $ .09 each, or you can buy as many as 10 for :eek $ .08 each for a total of $ .80 plus about $6 shipping.
Whatever the were called or believed to be, they are (were) the base holder clips for a 5mm LED. You insert your LED into the clip, then snap it into your control or indicator panel. It looks like these clips were installed on models with their clips facing outward instead of inserted into a control panel to house an LED. They've been around for a few dozen years. Radio Shack may still have them in stock. I had no idea they were a sought after elusive part to a 'studio scale' model.
:confused
David Moeller
Active Member
I worked at an electronic store for a while and those things are so common, I never really understood what the deal was, those things are so cheep and common that "trillions" of people would have to buy these to make them rare. They may be hard to find locally, but in the "electronic world" they have very little significance.
Kuhn Global
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(clutch @ Jan 13 2007, 06:29 PM) [snapback]1396789[/snapback]</div>
That said,.. and veering slightly away from Richard's thread,.. a little Kuhn Global babble that deals with the larger subject at hand... information used or not used... as argued in many threads before this one and that may have proved someone was not dealing on the up and up.
I've grown weary of so many secrets in this Studio Scale industry. :unsure It seems most everyone wants to keep all knowledge to themselves for future release... which may or may not ever happen. The problem is,.. I am not that patient. Though I am learning after 40 years,.. I still want an Oompa Loompa NOW Daddy. LOL. Face it,.. NONE of us are getting any younger and the continued promises of projects coming soon grow old with every passing day. Though I must admit that sometimes not having so many kits out at the same time is sometimes better for everyone's pocketbooks,.. including my own. LOL. I realize this is mostly a garage kit industry, and probably the only avevue to be able to obtain these beautiful pieces, but since time ticks away...why hold back info? Even if you've done extensive research,.. what is the point? Being that MOST of this stuff is being made without license,.. it is not an industry that will make any single individual wealthy,.. even if he/she knows that super secret part that came off of a 1/72 tank or some other silly item. Isn't the dream more important? It IS the dream that brought everyone here to this same forum of model appreciation,.. isn't it? :confused
It surprises me that you all don't work more together on getting this stuff built quickly and accurately. If everyone here worked together,.. REALLY TOGETHER... they may just make a great company that MIGHT make money. :love
Naaa..guess that would never work. Everyone will just keep holding on to their precious info and continue to talk behind each other's backs. Who needs progress anyway, eh? :cry
ANYTHING man-made can be replicated. You guys have all shown the GREAT talent to do so. :thumbsup :thumbsup
So,..if you dare,... no more secrets,.. nothing more to hide,.. nothing more to take,.. no bad blood,... no bad business,.. hmmmm
...more progress at great items being produced. :thumbsup :thumbsup
I know, I know..opening a can of worms.... maybe.
I am just a humbled, talentless guy who LOVES and purchases sci fi movie models. LOL...Frank Cerney joked with me before the Holiday Season began...(emulating me in our conversation).. "I want another model,.. I want another model." LOL... I laughed and found that funny that he views things so outside the geekiness of this realm that he also deals in....lol. That's why I like ya Frank...lol. What I thought was even more funny about what he joked of me is.... I REALLY DO WANT ANOTHER MODEL. LOLOLOL. He was right on the money. LOL. I am the TRUE Geek for SS modeling.
And guys?...Where do you think I am going to get that next model? ...
...NO,...LOLOLOL.. my arse isn't big enough to pull out the items I aim to purchase. LOL. I will simply get them produced. By folks I can trust... like the guys who let everyone know that these Shrouds were really only 9 cents a piece. Sharing their found info was just the right thing to do.
LOLOL... well?...lol... yup...it certainly is...
That said,.. and veering slightly away from Richard's thread,.. a little Kuhn Global babble that deals with the larger subject at hand... information used or not used... as argued in many threads before this one and that may have proved someone was not dealing on the up and up.
I've grown weary of so many secrets in this Studio Scale industry. :unsure It seems most everyone wants to keep all knowledge to themselves for future release... which may or may not ever happen. The problem is,.. I am not that patient.
Though I am learning after 40 years,.. I still want an Oompa Loompa NOW Daddy. LOL. Face it,.. NONE of us are getting any younger and the continued promises of projects coming soon grow old with every passing day. Though I must admit that sometimes not having so many kits out at the same time is sometimes better for everyone's pocketbooks,.. including my own. LOL. I realize this is mostly a garage kit industry, and probably the only avevue to be able to obtain these beautiful pieces, but since time ticks away...why hold back info? Even if you've done extensive research,.. what is the point? Being that MOST of this stuff is being made without license,.. it is not an industry that will make any single individual wealthy,.. even if he/she knows that super secret part that came off of a 1/72 tank or some other silly item. Isn't the dream more important? It IS the dream that brought everyone here to this same forum of model appreciation,.. isn't it? :confused It surprises me that you all don't work more together on getting this stuff built quickly and accurately. If everyone here worked together,.. REALLY TOGETHER... they may just make a great company that MIGHT make money. :love
Naaa..guess that would never work. Everyone will just keep holding on to their precious info and continue to talk behind each other's backs. Who needs progress anyway, eh? :cry
ANYTHING man-made can be replicated. You guys have all shown the GREAT talent to do so. :thumbsup
:thumbsup So,..if you dare,... no more secrets,.. nothing more to hide,.. nothing more to take,.. no bad blood,... no bad business,.. hmmmm
...more progress at great items being produced. :thumbsup
:thumbsup I know, I know..opening a can of worms.... maybe.
I am just a humbled, talentless guy who LOVES and purchases sci fi movie models. LOL...Frank Cerney joked with me before the Holiday Season began...(emulating me in our conversation).. "I want another model,.. I want another model." LOL... I laughed and found that funny that he views things so outside the geekiness of this realm that he also deals in....lol. That's why I like ya Frank...lol. What I thought was even more funny about what he joked of me is.... I REALLY DO WANT ANOTHER MODEL. LOLOLOL. He was right on the money. LOL. I am the TRUE Geek for SS modeling.
And guys?...Where do you think I am going to get that next model? ...
...NO,...LOLOLOL.. my arse isn't big enough to pull out the items I aim to purchase. LOL. I will simply get them produced.
By folks I can trust... like the guys who let everyone know that these Shrouds were really only 9 cents a piece. Sharing their found info was just the right thing to do. Commander Max
Sr Member
I'm with you Kurt.
You know that secret part isn't all that secret. Give a guy like me a bunch of screen grabs/pics. Access to a few modeling forums, or worse yet design software.
I'll just recreate that part. You say it isn't accurate, well that's to bad. You say you can prove it, but you can't. Not without giving away your secret.
It's just silly, folks.
Besides, don't we want to increase our numbers?
Working together means more for everybody. When the business model is working, everybody benefits.
When one or a couple jerks start fooling around, they will never do as well, as when they work with others.
Keep in mind, even if you give the complete parts list of what went into a SSM.
How many guys here scratch build?
How many scratch build SSM?
I'll bet the number is under 10.
How many of these guys cast and sell their SSM?
I'll bet it's less than 5.
The next question is how many guys would rather buy a kit?
Than tracking down all of the model kits/parts that went into the SSM.
Then spending 2-3 times as much buying the model kits/parts.
The last thing, piecing the models/parts together to make the SSM.
Do they want to cast their work?
Ok, how much work is involved there?
You should get the picture by now.
To speak for myself, I would rather buy a kit.
It's far less costly than scratch building.
This is a hobby of passion, not wealth.
If you want to know how to make money, ask Kurt.
He will only tell you, "Not Here."
You know that secret part isn't all that secret. Give a guy like me a bunch of screen grabs/pics. Access to a few modeling forums, or worse yet design software.
I'll just recreate that part. You say it isn't accurate, well that's to bad. You say you can prove it, but you can't. Not without giving away your secret.
It's just silly, folks.
Besides, don't we want to increase our numbers?
Working together means more for everybody. When the business model is working, everybody benefits.
When one or a couple jerks start fooling around, they will never do as well, as when they work with others.
Keep in mind, even if you give the complete parts list of what went into a SSM.
How many guys here scratch build?
How many scratch build SSM?
I'll bet the number is under 10.
How many of these guys cast and sell their SSM?
I'll bet it's less than 5.
The next question is how many guys would rather buy a kit?
Than tracking down all of the model kits/parts that went into the SSM.
Then spending 2-3 times as much buying the model kits/parts.
The last thing, piecing the models/parts together to make the SSM.
Do they want to cast their work?
Ok, how much work is involved there?
You should get the picture by now.
To speak for myself, I would rather buy a kit.
It's far less costly than scratch building.
This is a hobby of passion, not wealth.
If you want to know how to make money, ask Kurt.
He will only tell you, "Not Here."
Lynn TXP 0369
Sr Member
Wasn't there a member here not too long ago that got pissed because this info was out or some silly thing??
He was saying something about it being a big secret and do your own research to find out what the part it is on your own or some stupid thing.
It was like what ever happened to sharing the info buddy, instead of hording it and keeping it a big secret. I thought it was pretty ridiculas... I was like what ever buddy.... :lol
Lynn
He was saying something about it being a big secret and do your own research to find out what the part it is on your own or some stupid thing.
It was like what ever happened to sharing the info buddy, instead of hording it and keeping it a big secret. I thought it was pretty ridiculas... I was like what ever buddy.... :lol
Lynn
Actualy, the "member" got pissed because he helped the guy who promised he was not going to sell them and turned around and did.
Steve
REL there should have been four shrouds in the TIE box. If they were not there I'll send them to you.
Steve
REL there should have been four shrouds in the TIE box. If they were not there I'll send them to you.
Lynn TXP 0369
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(swpropmaker @ Jan 14 2007, 10:19 AM) [snapback]1397035[/snapback]</div>
That just further drives my point, WHY do that??? That is just plain wrong and does nothing to HELP this hobby out.
And what is the problem with this stuff anyway?? why not share info, sources, parts, and such???? These are not big time government TOP secret projects where peoples lives are in jepordy if this info gets shared and passed around..
This forum is to help each other, not keep secrets and things like this from each other. Regaurdless of what kind of leg work has been done on any part, it is totally silly and a shamefull to keep things secret and in the dark.
Why does this forum even exist if that kind of attitude is the norm?
Anytime anyone asks here, especially a newbee, what parts are what most people say, "We know what it is but go and Do the leg work yourself and find it, we did or had to, go and do it your self"
WTF is that kind of responce is that??? and it is the norm around here at times.
I'm not going to name names around here, but some of you big guys have that attitude and is totally shamefull, idiotic, and you should be ashamed of yourselves.
A better man would share the info, parts sources, and not horde it and keep it secret like it is was some government TOP secret project..
It is getting a little better around here, but lighten up on this stuff guys, it is modeling, not TOP secret governement projects.
Sorry for the rant, but that has been building up for a while.
Lynn
That just further drives my point, WHY do that??? That is just plain wrong and does nothing to HELP this hobby out.
And what is the problem with this stuff anyway?? why not share info, sources, parts, and such???? These are not big time government TOP secret projects where peoples lives are in jepordy if this info gets shared and passed around..
This forum is to help each other, not keep secrets and things like this from each other. Regaurdless of what kind of leg work has been done on any part, it is totally silly and a shamefull to keep things secret and in the dark.
Why does this forum even exist if that kind of attitude is the norm?
Anytime anyone asks here, especially a newbee, what parts are what most people say, "We know what it is but go and Do the leg work yourself and find it, we did or had to, go and do it your self"
WTF is that kind of responce is that??? and it is the norm around here at times.
I'm not going to name names around here, but some of you big guys have that attitude and is totally shamefull, idiotic, and you should be ashamed of yourselves.
A better man would share the info, parts sources, and not horde it and keep it secret like it is was some government TOP secret project..
It is getting a little better around here, but lighten up on this stuff guys, it is modeling, not TOP secret governement projects.
Sorry for the rant, but that has been building up for a while.
Lynn
Doing the legwork is hard work i guess, one could spend fortunes just buying kits and coming up with little or nothing. Ive spent hours on kitscans for a few things and its a very satisfying feeling nailing a part (ive found a few i can tell ya)
As for the non sharing of info, guess its up to the individual, maybe some guys just didnt share there toys as kids, i dont know, but if that person has spent the $ on the kits, then its his own right to withhold it Lynn.
As for me, i couldnt give a rats ass what i find or who i tell, if i know, ill tell simple as that, obviously if ive been asked to keep quiet by a fellow builder who wants it on the lowdown i would do so as thats just bad character.
Its my bat my ball and im not playing anymore
lee
As for the non sharing of info, guess its up to the individual, maybe some guys just didnt share there toys as kids, i dont know, but if that person has spent the $ on the kits, then its his own right to withhold it Lynn.
As for me, i couldnt give a rats ass what i find or who i tell, if i know, ill tell simple as that, obviously if ive been asked to keep quiet by a fellow builder who wants it on the lowdown i would do so as thats just bad character.
Its my bat my ball and im not playing anymore
lee
Lynn TXP 0369
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ralphee @ Jan 14 2007, 11:26 AM) [snapback]1397069[/snapback]</div>
Yes, I know people do what they want with the info they have, but IMO I don't care if you spent a million dollars on kits and 20,000 hrs finding such part, it does absolutly NO ONE any good to this hobby if they keep the info to them selves. The only thing it does is make the person who found the info look bad to people that ask for info on such parts.
It just makes them look really bad, selfish, and only looking out for them selves and NO ONE else in this hobby...... personally I would have more respect for members here who would share info and not horde it.
"Hey, I found this part, I know what it is, but I'm not going to share it." "Do your own leg work to find it out."
That just gets no one anywhere.
A person would be much more of a hero and help to this hobby if the info was shared, instead of being an ass.
Lynn
Yes, I know people do what they want with the info they have, but IMO I don't care if you spent a million dollars on kits and 20,000 hrs finding such part, it does absolutly NO ONE any good to this hobby if they keep the info to them selves. The only thing it does is make the person who found the info look bad to people that ask for info on such parts.
It just makes them look really bad, selfish, and only looking out for them selves and NO ONE else in this hobby...... personally I would have more respect for members here who would share info and not horde it.
"Hey, I found this part, I know what it is, but I'm not going to share it." "Do your own leg work to find it out."
That just gets no one anywhere.
A person would be much more of a hero and help to this hobby if the info was shared, instead of being an ass.
Lynn
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(swpropmaker @ Jan 14 2007, 09:19 AM) [snapback]1397035[/snapback]</div>
They're there, I was only curious as to what the parts were. No worries. :thumbsup
I think this particular part caused some controversy because someone bought what they thought was a rare part that cost under a dime, then resells them for 5 bucks on their site.
They're there, I was only curious as to what the parts were. No worries. :thumbsup
I think this particular part caused some controversy because someone bought what they thought was a rare part that cost under a dime, then resells them for 5 bucks on their site.
Well, the vintage ones made from 74-75 are gone I know cause I bought the remaining stock. The company that produced these during production of ANH no longer makes them.
Maybe the ones you and Thomas Models found on the web site are simular but are not the same lot as those used on ANH in 1976. Maybe the "other" guy has a batch of the vintage ones.. who knows. I paid 6 cents each.
Look at it this way there were a lot of King Tiger tank models made from 1960 to 1975. All different scales. If you find a piece that is 1/35 scale there may be 4 different kitsout there that scale each having the same piece your looking for. Each piece may look close but only one is exact.
I was lucky that a board member found them when it was not so obvious of what it was. seeing pics of it unpainted and not mounted makes it pretty easy to track down. I wish I had pics of all the parts 8 years ago of the TIE fighter before it was essembled and painted to help identify the parts. Then maybe it would not have taken so long and be so expensive to build.
Steve
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(REL @ Jan 14 2007, 10:04 AM) [snapback]1397088[/snapback]</div>
They're there, I was only curious as to what the parts were. No worries. :thumbsup
I think this particular part caused some controversy because someone bought what they thought was a rare part that cost under a dime, then resells them for 5 bucks on their site.
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Maybe the ones you and Thomas Models found on the web site are simular but are not the same lot as those used on ANH in 1976. Maybe the "other" guy has a batch of the vintage ones.. who knows. I paid 6 cents each.
Look at it this way there were a lot of King Tiger tank models made from 1960 to 1975. All different scales. If you find a piece that is 1/35 scale there may be 4 different kitsout there that scale each having the same piece your looking for. Each piece may look close but only one is exact.
I was lucky that a board member found them when it was not so obvious of what it was. seeing pics of it unpainted and not mounted makes it pretty easy to track down. I wish I had pics of all the parts 8 years ago of the TIE fighter before it was essembled and painted to help identify the parts. Then maybe it would not have taken so long and be so expensive to build.
Steve
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(REL @ Jan 14 2007, 10:04 AM) [snapback]1397088[/snapback]</div>
They're there, I was only curious as to what the parts were. No worries. :thumbsup
I think this particular part caused some controversy because someone bought what they thought was a rare part that cost under a dime, then resells them for 5 bucks on their site.
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Kuhn Global
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(swpropmaker @ Jan 14 2007, 07:19 AM) [snapback]1397035[/snapback]</div>
Unfortunately I have found most of the business world to be less than honorable and more into their own greed than forward progress. Sub-standard merchandise or service for rediculous cost. Imagine what would happen in any industry if progress became the focus instead of making more than they should? There is a line that is crossed between proper overhead recovery and just plain greedy overhead gouging. Most businesses here in the U.S. usually believe in the later (gouging) technique because they have been trained to do so and do it so often that they actually believe we deserve it. ...lol. It has become standard business,..until even that gouging isn't enough...lol.
Bottom line is that with the talent here,.. and with honorable action,.. there could be some real great productivity that could emerge.
This TIE Shroud business that had happened,.. while it triggered my babbling, it is just one of the small sores that plague this industry. It is WE that can fix it. The question is if we will actually do so? Of course everyone would have to agree that it can be done,.. or that anything is "broken" at all. One way to never have it happen again is to openly be honest with all shared material...giving nobody anywhere to go with negativity. Just my thoughts. I have a feeling that many of us feel the same,.. it is just difficult to vocalize.
I don't think Richard will mind that this thread took a turn,.. since it is for good reason, and for the same reason I believe he was thinking of when starting it. I hope anyway. LOL. I guess I'd better ask...lol. Of course I will edit and delete everything I have stated if need be.
Steve...regarding the shrouds sent in the TIE box. They are probably in the box, but I never fully opened the beasties to look at more than the main bodies. I had planned them on being completed by now, but with Richard being extremely busy with orders and current commissions,.. and Bob recovering from an important situation, they just haven't been done yet. I do have them on the build list (I have 8 items commissioned out currently) and I am just waiting for their number to come up...lol. Just wait until you see the display they will be on... I think you'll LOVE it. It will be very worthy of these models.
WOW..,.. I have said enough for a few months. LOL.... I'm just a babbling collector today.
Always remember that you guys are the real talent...and that you do make a difference to guys like me.
Precisely. Steve stated it the way it happened. That incident wasn't about the person sharing the info, (he did the right thing), but what the person receiving did with the share...and then took full credit for the find. It is the reciever that did the wrong thing by taking FULL credit for the find and then selling his version of them for upwards of 20X their real cost. It is THAT behavior which is NOT beneficial for this industry and will eventually threaten to eliminate it due to people looking to make more than they should (that BIG SCORE) from simple and available parts or information. Let's face it,.. this isn't a government operation where a single toilet seat cost is $1000 just to eat up budget for the year in order to request more budget for the next year. If everyone had the actual ability to sell everything they wanted at their asking price,..a garunteed sale, there would be nothing except wealth everywhere.
Unfortunately I have found most of the business world to be less than honorable and more into their own greed than forward progress. Sub-standard merchandise or service for rediculous cost. Imagine what would happen in any industry if progress became the focus instead of making more than they should? There is a line that is crossed between proper overhead recovery and just plain greedy overhead gouging. Most businesses here in the U.S. usually believe in the later (gouging) technique because they have been trained to do so and do it so often that they actually believe we deserve it. ...lol. It has become standard business,..until even that gouging isn't enough...lol.
Bottom line is that with the talent here,.. and with honorable action,.. there could be some real great productivity that could emerge.
This TIE Shroud business that had happened,.. while it triggered my babbling, it is just one of the small sores that plague this industry. It is WE that can fix it. The question is if we will actually do so?
Of course everyone would have to agree that it can be done,.. or that anything is "broken" at all. One way to never have it happen again is to openly be honest with all shared material...giving nobody anywhere to go with negativity. Just my thoughts. I have a feeling that many of us feel the same,.. it is just difficult to vocalize.I don't think Richard will mind that this thread took a turn,.. since it is for good reason, and for the same reason I believe he was thinking of when starting it. I hope anyway. LOL. I guess I'd better ask...lol. Of course I will edit and delete everything I have stated if need be.
Steve...regarding the shrouds sent in the TIE box. They are probably in the box, but I never fully opened the beasties to look at more than the main bodies. I had planned them on being completed by now, but with Richard being extremely busy with orders and current commissions,.. and Bob recovering from an important situation, they just haven't been done yet. I do have them on the build list (I have 8 items commissioned out currently) and I am just waiting for their number to come up...lol. Just wait until you see the display they will be on... I think you'll LOVE it. It will be very worthy of these models.
WOW..,.. I have said enough for a few months. LOL.... I'm just a babbling collector today.
Always remember that you guys are the real talent...and that you do make a difference to guys like me.
EchoLeader
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Lynn TXP 0369 @ Jan 14 2007, 04:49 PM) [snapback]1397083[/snapback]</div>
Yes, I know people do what they want with the info they have, but IMO I don't care if you spent a million dollars on kits and 20,000 hrs finding such part, it does absolutly NO ONE any good to this hobby if they keep the info to them selves. The only thing it does is make the person who found the info look bad to people that ask for info on such parts.
It just makes them look really bad, selfish, and only looking out for them selves and NO ONE else in this hobby...... personally I would have more respect for members here who would share info and not horde it.
"Hey, I found this part, I know what it is, but I'm not going to share it." "Do your own leg work to find it out."
That just gets no one anywhere.
A person would be much more of a hero and help to this hobby if the info was shared, instead of being an ass.
Lynn
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That's why I'll never forgive Mel Fisher for being such a greedy ******* and not sharing. The Mel Fisher Story
Who cares if he devoted all his life to his quest and lost family members along the way. He should have shared in the loot with others the moment he docked his boat, after all isn't the ocean a free for all? The least he could have done was tell everyone where the treasure was.
Of course the comparison is to the extreme but I just want to make a point that no one has a right to others hard work and investment.
I for one don't mind sharing with others if I see that there's an effort on their part and there's a give and take. However, one thing that really bothers me is when someone comes here and demands information without ever even contributing anything in this forum much less in the research of Studio Scale Modeling.
The other thing that bothers me is when someone that has been privy to some confidential information turns around and uses that information to make a personal profit without even having the courtesy to ask the original person that gave them the info if it's okay with them to do so. Especially when the item in question really isn't all that rare as in the case in this thread. I mean, look at the mark up on these things. The very least the person could have done was to say, Hey. I know where to get these dirt cheap, here's a couple of websites that sell them. Wouldn't that be "helping" your fellow modelers?
Don't take this the wrong way Lynn as you're a good egg in my book and I don't mean any of this to be personal. I just wanted to make my point of why some here don't like to share some info freely.
I guess I'll turn over the mic to the next person now.
Rolando
Yes, I know people do what they want with the info they have, but IMO I don't care if you spent a million dollars on kits and 20,000 hrs finding such part, it does absolutly NO ONE any good to this hobby if they keep the info to them selves. The only thing it does is make the person who found the info look bad to people that ask for info on such parts.
It just makes them look really bad, selfish, and only looking out for them selves and NO ONE else in this hobby...... personally I would have more respect for members here who would share info and not horde it.
"Hey, I found this part, I know what it is, but I'm not going to share it." "Do your own leg work to find it out."
That just gets no one anywhere.
A person would be much more of a hero and help to this hobby if the info was shared, instead of being an ass.
Lynn
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That's why I'll never forgive Mel Fisher for being such a greedy ******* and not sharing. The Mel Fisher Story
Who cares if he devoted all his life to his quest and lost family members along the way. He should have shared in the loot with others the moment he docked his boat, after all isn't the ocean a free for all? The least he could have done was tell everyone where the treasure was.
Of course the comparison is to the extreme but I just want to make a point that no one has a right to others hard work and investment.
I for one don't mind sharing with others if I see that there's an effort on their part and there's a give and take. However, one thing that really bothers me is when someone comes here and demands information without ever even contributing anything in this forum much less in the research of Studio Scale Modeling.
The other thing that bothers me is when someone that has been privy to some confidential information turns around and uses that information to make a personal profit without even having the courtesy to ask the original person that gave them the info if it's okay with them to do so. Especially when the item in question really isn't all that rare as in the case in this thread. I mean, look at the mark up on these things. The very least the person could have done was to say, Hey. I know where to get these dirt cheap, here's a couple of websites that sell them. Wouldn't that be "helping" your fellow modelers?
Don't take this the wrong way Lynn as you're a good egg in my book and I don't mean any of this to be personal. I just wanted to make my point of why some here don't like to share some info freely.
I guess I'll turn over the mic to the next person now.
Rolando
star-art
Sr Member
Here here. Very well said. I've been at this a long time and have seen this discussion over and over again. I've no problem sharing info, either, and have done so quite a bit in fact. Sometimes, however, certain info I may obtain in my research comes with a "non-disclosure" clause attached. That means I am bound by my word to keep it confidential and that's exactly what I do -- honor my word.
Many times a newbie will come in and ask that everything be handed him on a silver platter. I've actually seen posts that amount to "hey, can someone send me the drawings and a complete kit list for such-and-such." I try to explain to those who ask me that no one is going to do the research for them. So much more info is available today than ever before, but you must still do your own homework.
I've no doubt some people do take a selfish approach in this hobby. That's the nature of people. Feel free to criticize that all you want. I agree and think it's a fair criticism.
But, let's be realistic. It's a FACT that every time a new kit gets posted, people start going after it and the price goes up. It seems many more people are watching the boards for info and "collecting" kits for a planned or hoped future project than are actually building something. Since vintage kits that are no longer in production are in finite supply, each time the demand increases, so does the price. The more we discuss these kits on the boards, the more people are out there looking for them. Prices are getting really high now because of this. Eventually, many of us who are trying to build these things from scratche will be priced out of the market.
The second point Rolando made is even more important in a way to those of us who've been in this a while. Sometimes, someone comes along who wants to take all the work that has already been done and make a personal profit from it. That is a very troublesome situation. It's one thing if you make a deal and share some of your hard work so that you get a portion of the profit. It's something else entirely to share you hard work and then have the person take it and run with it. This is always a concern and something we all have to watch out for.
Many times a newbie will come in and ask that everything be handed him on a silver platter. I've actually seen posts that amount to "hey, can someone send me the drawings and a complete kit list for such-and-such." I try to explain to those who ask me that no one is going to do the research for them. So much more info is available today than ever before, but you must still do your own homework.
I've no doubt some people do take a selfish approach in this hobby. That's the nature of people. Feel free to criticize that all you want. I agree and think it's a fair criticism.
But, let's be realistic. It's a FACT that every time a new kit gets posted, people start going after it and the price goes up. It seems many more people are watching the boards for info and "collecting" kits for a planned or hoped future project than are actually building something. Since vintage kits that are no longer in production are in finite supply, each time the demand increases, so does the price. The more we discuss these kits on the boards, the more people are out there looking for them. Prices are getting really high now because of this. Eventually, many of us who are trying to build these things from scratche will be priced out of the market.
The second point Rolando made is even more important in a way to those of us who've been in this a while. Sometimes, someone comes along who wants to take all the work that has already been done and make a personal profit from it. That is a very troublesome situation. It's one thing if you make a deal and share some of your hard work so that you get a portion of the profit. It's something else entirely to share you hard work and then have the person take it and run with it. This is always a concern and something we all have to watch out for.
imaginager
Sr Member
Hmm.
Well, since the "member" in question is actually me, :lol my press office has asked that I issue a statement. LOL
Lynn, if I've ever offended you in any way, let me take this opportunity to apologize. I'm not sure what I may have done to cause offense. So, please, if you'd like to pursue it, post or PM me. I'm a big enough guy to be called out in public, if that's the case. And, I always apologize when I'm in the wrong, ask around.
Okay, as for the TIE cannon shroud, let me clarify what actually happened. It is all in the previous threads, but may have a degree of subtlety for those who were not directly involved.
I wanted to find a few real world parts to hang on Steve's Studio Scale Hero TIE Fighter kit. Some obvious parts included the TIE cannon shrouds, the cockpit pilot, mounting point (threaded square), real LEDs. While it may be obvious to a few people what the shroud is, it isn't so obvious (at least to me) when all you have to go on are pictures of the finished filming model. What one person assumes to be obvious, may, in fact, only be obvious to him because of his own background. That's why it helps enormously to collaborate when identifying parts on a studio scale model. But, I digress...
Steve generously provided me with some information that would help me run down the parts. Specifically, images of the parts in their raw, unassembled state. From that information I was able to find the part. Or, at least one that was very close, since (as Steve pointed out) it's not the same vintage.
So, I would not have found this part without Steve's generosity. Therefore, it is not for me to broadcast what the part is. Steve spent a lot of time and money, I'm sure, running down all the parts. If he chooses to reveal something to me, it's not my place to share it with the world.
Okay, so when I posted that I was using the real part, yada, yada, eventually someone asked me what it was. More than once. This person assured me that they didn't want to sell them, just use it to complete their own model. I told them to go to Steve about it. At that point, Steve had posted on the RPF that he would include those parts on future kits. Well, instead of going to Steve, that person came back at me with a correct guess about the identity of the part. I verified that they had correctly identified the same part that I had, thinking that this person must now be experiencing that wonderful feeling you get when you've done something yourself in Studio Scale land.
Next thing I know, that person is selling those parts on a website. I won't get into the pricing, as that's another issue, altogether.
But, I didn't want Steve to think I had turned over one key to his research so someone else could turn a profit. For all anyone knew, old imaginager might have been getting a cut. I posted that I had the part in my TIE thread, posted finished pics of the buildup. Then, someone is selling that part. What are people going to think? That's what offended me. It wasn't that the part was revealed. It was that someone lied to me about their purpose in identifying the part. It was not to finish their own TIE (which I now doubt they ever had). It seemed that their purpose had always been to sell the parts.
Some may think that the person who "was" selling these parts didn't do anything wrong. I won't debate anyone on that point. However, should someone who only wants to sell parts ask for my help again, do you think I should provide them any assistance?
Well, since the "member" in question is actually me, :lol my press office has asked that I issue a statement. LOL
Lynn, if I've ever offended you in any way, let me take this opportunity to apologize. I'm not sure what I may have done to cause offense. So, please, if you'd like to pursue it, post or PM me. I'm a big enough guy to be called out in public, if that's the case. And, I always apologize when I'm in the wrong, ask around.
Okay, as for the TIE cannon shroud, let me clarify what actually happened. It is all in the previous threads, but may have a degree of subtlety for those who were not directly involved.
I wanted to find a few real world parts to hang on Steve's Studio Scale Hero TIE Fighter kit. Some obvious parts included the TIE cannon shrouds, the cockpit pilot, mounting point (threaded square), real LEDs. While it may be obvious to a few people what the shroud is, it isn't so obvious (at least to me) when all you have to go on are pictures of the finished filming model. What one person assumes to be obvious, may, in fact, only be obvious to him because of his own background. That's why it helps enormously to collaborate when identifying parts on a studio scale model. But, I digress...
Steve generously provided me with some information that would help me run down the parts. Specifically, images of the parts in their raw, unassembled state. From that information I was able to find the part. Or, at least one that was very close, since (as Steve pointed out) it's not the same vintage.
So, I would not have found this part without Steve's generosity. Therefore, it is not for me to broadcast what the part is. Steve spent a lot of time and money, I'm sure, running down all the parts. If he chooses to reveal something to me, it's not my place to share it with the world.
Okay, so when I posted that I was using the real part, yada, yada, eventually someone asked me what it was. More than once. This person assured me that they didn't want to sell them, just use it to complete their own model. I told them to go to Steve about it. At that point, Steve had posted on the RPF that he would include those parts on future kits. Well, instead of going to Steve, that person came back at me with a correct guess about the identity of the part. I verified that they had correctly identified the same part that I had, thinking that this person must now be experiencing that wonderful feeling you get when you've done something yourself in Studio Scale land.
Next thing I know, that person is selling those parts on a website. I won't get into the pricing, as that's another issue, altogether.
But, I didn't want Steve to think I had turned over one key to his research so someone else could turn a profit. For all anyone knew, old imaginager might have been getting a cut. I posted that I had the part in my TIE thread, posted finished pics of the buildup. Then, someone is selling that part. What are people going to think? That's what offended me. It wasn't that the part was revealed. It was that someone lied to me about their purpose in identifying the part. It was not to finish their own TIE (which I now doubt they ever had). It seemed that their purpose had always been to sell the parts.
Some may think that the person who "was" selling these parts didn't do anything wrong. I won't debate anyone on that point. However, should someone who only wants to sell parts ask for my help again, do you think I should provide them any assistance?
Lynn TXP 0369
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(imaginager @ Jan 14 2007, 07:49 PM) [snapback]1397348[/snapback]</div>
No need to apologize as you have not offended me in any way, I couldn't even remember who it was anyway.. :lol
Rolando
Your a very talented man and are good egg in my book to.
I can understand some the the cloak and dagger and secrets to a degree.
But what ever way you look at it, at the end of the day, these are just models that we all enjoy in one form or another...
Lynn
No need to apologize as you have not offended me in any way, I couldn't even remember who it was anyway.. :lol
Rolando
Your a very talented man and are good egg in my book to.
I can understand some the the cloak and dagger and secrets to a degree.
But what ever way you look at it, at the end of the day, these are just models that we all enjoy in one form or another...
Lynn
