Solo: A Star Wars Story

[Bryancd]

Re: Star Wars Anthology (Young Han Solo)

I know your opinion around here is the only one that matters most days, Bryan. Sorry I opined.

Sacred isn't the exact word I was looking for, but it was the best I could come up with at the moment. It was enough to get my point across though... or so I thought.

I'm just asking why should we hold a fictional character to a standard where they can never be replaced or recreated. That's the nature of what we are discussing. Certainly I felt Ewan did a great job portraying a young Obi-wan, people were able to see past Alec Guiness and see a young version in Ewan. Sort of the same thing here.

 

[Wolfsburg]

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I don't personally care to see a really young Han Solo but casting would also work better if Han were younger than he allegedly is in this new movie. There would be more room to fudge his looks. It's going to be jarring for me to see some random teen heartthrob that looks nothing like Harrison Ford as Han as he was just a few years before we see him in ANH. The casting of Genevieve O' Reilly as Mon Mothma in RO was brilliant. She actually bears a pretty decent resemblance to Caroline Blakiston. This kind of detail certainly needs to be applied to a character as legendary as Han Solo and so far I haven't seen that, if these alleged short lists are true. People say Ingruber can't act and I'm like "And these shortlists guys are much better?!". This movie shouldn't happen but at least Ingruber *looked* the part. You aren't gonna find someone with the chops and charisma of Harrison Ford, imo, so might as well get someone that at least looks like him and studied his mannerisms, if nothing else. If he's not in the running, I can only conclude he must've totally bombed the audition if they're actually seriously considering these other guys...

 

[Bryancd]

Re: Star Wars Anthology (Young Han Solo)

I don't personally care to see a really young Han Solo but casting would also work better if Han were younger than he allegedly is in this new movie. There would be more room to fudge his looks. It's going to be jarring for me to see some random teen heartthrob that looks nothing like Harrison Ford as Han as he was just a few years before we see him in ANH. The casting of Genevieve O' Reilly as Mon Mothma in RO was brilliant. She actually bears a pretty decent resemblance to Caroline Blakiston. This kind of detail certainly needs to be applied to a character as legendary as Han Solo and so far I haven't seen that, if these alleged short lists are true. People say Ingruber can't act and I'm like "And these shortlists guys are much better?!". This movie shouldn't happen but at least Ingruber *looked* the part. You aren't gonna find someone with the chops and charisma of Harrison Ford, imo, so might as well get someone that at least looks like him and studied his mannerisms, if nothing else. If he's not in the running, I can only conclude he must've totally bombed the audition if they're actually seriously considering these other guys...

Ewan wasn't a physical match for Guiness. I think the acting trumps the look.

 

[Wolfsburg]

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I know your opinion around here is the only one that matters most days, Bryan. Sorry I opined.

Sacred isn't the exact word I was looking for, but it was the best I could come up with at the moment. It was enough to get my point across though... or so I thought.

I totally agree with what you're saying. Sadly the almighty dollar will prevent that from happening. Although some things should be allowed to fade gracefully into cinematic history, we live in a era of reboots and reimagining so classic characters and franchises will continue to be milked until people stop watching.

Obi-wan had to be cast for the PT, there was no choice. However this movie doesn't need to happen (and neither does an Obi-wan exile movie). I like Ewan but for me he was marginal at best. He was a bright point in a sea of stale, wooden acting but I never thought he was anything special beyond that. I certainly didn't see much Alec Guinness there and rarely bought he was a younger version of the guy we saw in the OT.

 

[Bryancd]

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Iconic would be a better description and certainly some portrayals of the same characters in cinema are considered more iconic then others but that doesn't preclude recasting from happening.

 

[Wolfsburg]

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Ewan wasn't a physical match for Guiness. I think the acting trumps the look.

Well I didn't think Ewan was a revelation and these shortlisters are hardly anything special. As I just said, people say the acting is what counts which is usually true, but I'm still waiting to hear about the amazing actors they're considering for this role. Haven't heard of any yet. Barring that, I'd rather see a guy that at least looks like Han that can't act than a guy that doesn't look like Han that can't act.

 

[cayman shen]

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I think this movie is a terrible, terrible idea. I think there's little to gain and a whole lot to potentially lose. All the actors being bandied about are utterly unworthy of the mantle.

HOWEVER...since Ewan's name has been brought into the convo, I have to admit that whatever issues I have with the PT, Kenobi has long been my fave character in the saga, and Ewan nailed it so convincingly that in my mind I don't draw any real distinction between the two actors' performances. COULD I find a million things to pick apart? Yes. But...in a lot of ways Ewan IS Obi-wan to me now.

Which is all to say, I seriously doubt anyone can play young Han, and I think this is an idiot movie idea, but...there's a .00001% chance I'll be proven wrong.

Of course, Ewan was a high point in a trio of pretty iffy movies, so even if the actor rules as little Solo, I'm fairly set against any prequels involving major characters. So...

Yeah.

 

[astroboy]

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I think this movie is a terrible, terrible idea. I think there's little to gain and a whole lot to potentially lose. All the actors being bandied about are utterly unworthy of the mantle.

HOWEVER...since Ewan's name has been brought into the convo, I have to admit that whatever issues I have with the PT, Kenobi has long been my fave character in the saga, and Ewan nailed it so convincingly that in my mind I don't draw any real distinction between the two actors' performances. COULD I find a million things to pick apart? Yes. But...in a lot of ways Ewan IS Obi-wan to me now.

Which is all to say, I seriously doubt anyone can play young Han, and I think this is an idiot movie idea, but...there's a .00001% chance I'll be proven wrong.

Of course, Ewan was a high point in a trio of pretty iffy movies, so even if the actor rules as little Solo, I'm fairly set against any prequels involving major characters. So...

Yeah.

It's true. I never cared for kenobi in the OT. but after the prequels he became my new favorite. Hands down. Andthe clone wars? Team kenobi for sure

Han Solo (my childhood favorite) is actually a secondary character for me now.



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[Wolfsburg]

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Somehow that doesn't surprise me. I would never dispute Ewan was one of the better points of the PT, but Alec Guinness he was not. That might apparently be a good thing to some people but not to me. At times he seemed more like a random, well meaning Jedi to me than a younger version of the guy we saw in the OT. Decent acting but I often didn't feel like he was playing the character. I thought his performance in ROTS was the closest he came for me.

Nevertheless, Ewan's merits aside, Obi-wan's difference in appearance can be fudged somewhat with the passage of 20 years living on a harsh desert planet.

 

[cayman shen]

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Somehow that doesn't surprise me. I would never dispute Ewan was one of the better points of the PT, but Alec Guinness he was not. That might apparently be a good thing to some people but not to me. At times he seemed more like a random, well meaning Jedi to me than a younger version of the guy we saw in the OT. Decent acting but I often didn't feel like he was playing the character. I thought his performance in ROTS was the closest he came for me.

Nevertheless, Ewan's merits aside, Obi-wan's difference in appearance can be fudged somewhat with the passage of 20 years living on a harsh desert planet.

The weird aging thing sucks, but it's far from the worst of the PT continuity issues, so I don't let it get to me. As for Ewan vs. Alec, I'm not the same guy at 40 that I was at 20 in the slightest. But this is getting off topic a bit I guess, and I hear what you're saying. I'm just looking for some ray of optimism because I'm kinda dreading this movie...

 

[Psab keel]

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I should have been clearer. I don't want anyone else playing Indiana Jones BUT Harrison Ford. I just keep seeing people all over the Internet whining about how he's too old.

 

[Wolfsburg]

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The weird aging thing sucks, but it's far from the worst of the PT continuity issues, so I don't let it get to me. As for Ewan vs. Alec, I'm not the same guy at 40 that I was at 20 in the slightest. But this is getting off topic a bit I guess, and I hear what you're saying. I'm just looking for some ray of optimism because I'm kinda dreading this movie...

Well, like I said, the aging thing and Ewan looking nothing like Alec doesn't bother me quite as much because there are some variables there that can somewhat explain it. Not perfectly, but enough for me to not worry too much about it! Lol! Han, as I understand they have it planned, doesn't have much room for such leeway.

 

[astroboy]

Re: Star Wars Anthology (Young Han Solo)

Well, like I said, the aging thing and Ewan looking nothing like Alec doesn't bother me quite as much because there are some variables there that can somewhat explain it. Not perfectly, but enough for me to not worry too much about it! Lol! Han, as I understand they have it planned, doesn't have much room for such leeway.

Other than the fact that I don't think we need this movie, I'm worried that disney won't recognize what han was like before the rebellion.

He was an amoral smuggler. I just don't see them committing to that. If anything, he will probably ride the same morality as jack sparrow. One who begrudgingly always does the right thing. (And when he doesn't, it's for comedic effect)

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[Wolfsburg]

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Yeah that's a good point. He certainly wasn't a nice guy, even after George tried to water him down in the SE.

 

[JD]

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Dave Franco on his Han Solo audition...

http://www.mtv.com/video-clips/xf7kfl/mtvnews-dave-franco-on-his-han-solo-shot-at-cinemacon

 

[JD]

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I can't be the only one that sees some similarity between Ewan and Sir Alec.

 

[Reelo]

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I can't be the only one that sees some similarity between Ewan and Sir Alec.

http://i.imgur.com/oA3TywR.gif

No you aren't. Whatever the things wrong with the PT, Ewan wasn't one of them.

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[CutThumb]

Re: Star Wars Anthology (Young Han Solo)

Ewan managed to do as best an Obi wan as he could in the PTs, but, like all the actors in them, he was hugely hampered by the script and particularly the poor dialogue. My teeth still grind almost breaking point whenever I watch that final fight scene in ROTS. It was just so horribly over cooked and terribly done. And that was the real problem ,there were so many better alternative scenes in all the PTs , but they were mostly wasted.
I think, with the benefit of the years, Ewan could deliver a brilliantly unstated Obi wan in the right kind of SW movie, one that uses the persuasive , more thoughtful and complex elements of his character as a more experienced jedi, rather than the gung-ho action hero we had in the PTs. For all the time Alex Guinness appears in the OT (and its actually surprisingly little across all three films ) his calm and thoughtful "Merlin" carries much of the mysterious aura of being a Jedi, which is really quite an essential part of the story and I hope Mark will continue in EpVIII. He's a great under rated actor and I hope the next two films will help more people recognise this. After all one of the really successful things they did manage with the TFA was setting up all the questions about the missing pieces of the past, and I note its still those that JJ and the rest of the cast are still successfully manipulating currently.

 

[The Wook]

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Dave Franco on his Han Solo audition...

http://www.mtv.com/video-clips/xf7kfl/mtvnews-dave-franco-on-his-han-solo-shot-at-cinemacon

Oh dear Lord, another Liliiputian. He's listed at 5' 7, which in Hollywood means he's 5' 5" - 5' 6". And even if you ignore his diminutive size, he looks nothing like Harrison.

Also--while I realize he may've been acting coy in the interview regarding his audition--he sounded like a complete idiot, in saying he had no idea what Disney is looking for in an actor to play the part. And then to follow that up with an insult to Disney, saying, "I don't think they know what they're looking for, either.". Wow. Not a smart thing to say about the people who will decide whether or not you land the role.

The Wook

 

[Wolfsburg]

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I can't be the only one that sees some similarity between Ewan and Sir Alec.

http://i.imgur.com/oA3TywR.gif

Well the beard cut in that way does him a lot of favors and echoes Guinness' style somewhat. His ROTS appearance was certainly his best "look" and frankly wish he had appeared that way from the beginning. The eyes are somewhat similar, with Guinness' being more "world weary" so there's certainly enough room to fudge with there being 20 years in between.

Oh dear Lord, another Liliiputian. He's listed at 5' 7, which in Hollywood means he's 5' 5" - 5' 6". And even if you ignore his diminutive size, he looks nothing like Harrison.

Also--while I realize he may've been acting coy in the interview regarding his audition--he sounded like a complete idiot, in saying he had no idea what Disney is looking for in an actor to play the part. And then to follow that up with an insult to Disney, saying, "I don't think they know what they're looking for, either.". Wow. Not a smart thing to say about the people who will decide whether or not you land the role.

The Wook

I just find the idea of Dave Franco playing Han Solo to be hilarious in and of itself, diminutive height notwithstanding. Hopefully, he was shown the door early on.