Slave One model

Sandcrawler is out of the country until something like 2010, right? - so that's probably not going to happen from MR anytime soon. Slave 1 would be a slam dunk if it was Boba Fett's version. If it was Jango, I think it'd be a poor seller, but because of Code 3, the Slave 1 might be seen as redundant. X-Wing would sell well, and MR could make all sorts of variants with the same general tooling. TIE would sell well, especially if they replicated the Kool Shade material in some injection plastic wings. Vader TIE would also do well, I think, and it's not too large. AT-ST is a crapshoot as I don't think too many people "crave" it, and I think the Lambda Shuttle is probably too big to make money on, in the quantity that a licensed company would have to produce. B-wing and A-wing fighters woudl be killer, but they're secondary vehicles, and common sense tells you that the vehicles driven/flown by major characters woudl be the strongest products.

Landspeeder. THAT is what I want to see, heh.
 
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Slave 1 would be a slam dunk if it was Boba Fett's version. If it was Jango, I think it'd be a poor seller, but because of Code 3, the Slave 1 might be seen as redundant..

Landspeeder. THAT is what I want to see, heh.
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Gotta disagree with you there Jason....a studio scale Slave1 is no match for a Code3 thing. I have seen the Code# and it cannot compare with a studio scale Slave1.

I think it would be an awesome piece to be able own.

And the Landspeeder.....well anything Tatooine is near and dear to me.

Steve
 
LOLOL... I find it funny how picky everyone is with their own opinions of items out there...lol. As with all things,.. there will never be full agreement with everyone. LOL...

Indeed the Code 3 is in no way near to what a perfect SS would be, but... at this time it is the only option aside from a styrene kit that I know of. It is not a bad piece by any means,... plus it tides me over just fine until a great SS can be done. It is a very nice desktop piece.

There are many ships to be replicated and I doubt that anything notable will be overlooked in the future. If they are overlooked,.. changing that fact is what all you guys are great at. :D Just build one. LOL
 
Thanks for all the replies, folks. Personally, over time, I think that there would be enough demand for an X, TIE, Vader TIE, and a Slave One. I especially think that an ESB Slave One would be a slam dunk.

As for getting a Code 3, I think I am going to still hold off for a bit. Maybe MR will surprise me and make it worth my wait. That is, unless, I stumble upon one for a killer price.

I do love the idea of a 1:1 mouse droid. That's pretty creative.
 
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Well, MR could have my Slave 1. I have all the kit parts used. I just need to find time to have a new hull milled.

Tim
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AHHH MAN. That is AWESOME Tim...

Ya know,..I had read that you had mastered one of these, but it didn't really stick in my brain until I actally saw it just now. I see the Boba toy figure, but would still love to know dimensions on your beastie?.

This should be produced,.. especially if all this work has been done already. At this point, I can't think of a reason why it shouldn't be done by MR or any new company that may rise for mass production. Slave One is one of the best known ships in the Star Wars saga. Even if some people don't like that piece, most collectors, (especially the hard corp ones of which in most cases appears to be MR's target customer), usually go for the "complete" collection. I am puzzled indeed.

Barry,.. any chance of getting some light shed on the possibility of this piece? Is there a pecking order that MR is following or just what they find and can use next?

Thinking more on this....hmmmmmm....I feel some deep-thought business perspective and rambling coming on...

There has been suggestion of doing some of the 'less covered' pieces from the Saga. So,.. we have to ask ourselves... what was it that really turned our heads when we first saw Star Wars? Without saying "EVERYTHING", like I know some would..lol...,.. as an 11 to whatever year old boy/girl seeing Star Wars for the first time in 77 (or whatever part of the Saga effected your perspective), what was that thing that you just wanted to hold, touch and play with the most from that life changing experience? It sounds like a hoky concept question, but if you can answer that?... you would basically know what would sell. Though some (like myself) have an outrageous personal goal of getting every piece in Star Wars,.. the sad bottom line is that "off the beaten path" or "out of the box" thinking is not always the best path for a company to take. It would be a major roll of the dice in a volitile business that is completely dependant on the critical fan base. Let's face it,.. the fans, in most cases, ruin franchises... just look at what happened to Star Trek. Yea guys,.. it wasn't Berman,.. it was us. I say this knowing I am a fan and a MAJOR TREKKIE. Our fan base excuses and critisims have gotten old. Businesses just don't put up with it anymore because they know it will ruin them. Free will of humans, plus words like "cannon", put fantasy markets either at the top of the mountain or the bottom of an abyss. Unless the fan base can get less critical, (without sacrificing what they know quality to be) (is that even possible?), I fear most things will go unproduced for the masses.

That said, the private "garage kit" business man/woman, (if that person can get past licensing), has an opportunity to offer the less offered items.

Then there is "licensing". That is a thing that is waaaayyy out of control on pricing and is a whole monster in itself. :eek

OK... sorry to ramble... it should make for some good response though.. :p

Bet ya didn't think all this response would come of asking about Slave One, eh? LOLOLOL.
 
OT...but ironic.

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Let's face it,.. the fans, in most cases, ruin franchises... just look at what happened to Star Trek.[/b]

I just happened to watch 'Insurrection' last night and that line by R'uafo stuck in my head...

" Take a look in the mirror, Admiral. The Federation is old...All the major Alpha Quadrant powers know it. The Klingons, The Cardassians...the Borg...they all smell the scent of death on you. "

Anyhoo...I'm most impressed with the Ketzer.com Slave 1 effort. I've always liked that little Kuat Firespray...

I'm also impressed that Master Replicas is open to honest feedback on their product line but also agree with Kurt's business sense calling for rational considerations when taking new product under advisement. We all know what we'd like to see...but...it's got to be worth the while to research, secure a license for...and sell enough copies to pay for the overhead and insure a sensible margin for the business.
 
Interesting Kuhn.

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I'm also impressed that Master Replicas is open to honest feedback on their product line but also agree with Kurt's business sense calling for rational considerations when taking new product under advisement. We all know what we'd like to see...but...it's got to be worth the while to research, secure a license for...and sell enough copies to pay for the overhead and insure a sensible margin for the business.[/b]

I'll bet we will see a Slave One from MR. We saw an AT-AT before the Falcon, I think it's a matter of cost. Not popularity. Otherwise we would have an MR X-Wing or Tie by now, I wouldn't be surprised to see a Slave One before MR puts out either model.
MR does their homework on all of their products.

One thing to consider is MR only offers small production runs. They average 1500 units an offering. (In the world of manufacturing this is a small number.)
This is what their research tells them.

MR's primary concern is how many models can they sell to their retailers. Selling to individuals is icing on the cake(They make twice the profit). When they consider an offering the first people(in the outside world) they talk to are retailers.
I've never seen MR post and ask what do you want to see(I could be wrong). It would be great but we are not their primary audience. The retailers are, they buy in bulk(I'll bet even Kuhn doesn't do that :) ).
I think it's to bad that MR doesn't talk about how they evaluate an offering. But then most people would not understand, they would only complain about how little a product costs vs. retail.

To give you an idea of what a product costs.
Take the retail price, half that. You'll have the (aprox)wholesale cost.
To find what a product costs MR to manufacture, divide the retail price by 4.6.
These numbers are just a guess. (I used to be in the gift industry. These numbers are what we used.)
These numbers may or may not include packaging.
This is simplified, they also have to pay George, R&D costs, tooling costs, shipping from China(Insurance, imagine the fun if they lost a container). Then pay their people. In the end it's amazing that they can make money on props, but they do.

Sorry about the long winded post.

Max


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Let's face it,.. the fans, in most cases, ruin franchises... just look at what happened to Star Trek.[/b]
No kidding.
 
ESB Slave One
A Wing
B Wing would be cool, but the SS is very small
Anakin Podracer
Sandcrawler.
Probot
Tie Interceptor
Shuttle
At St

I love things like the Naboo Starfighter, but they don't have the guts on the outside appeal that makes for a cool looking display. I love the Jedi Starfighters, but they're all CG, right?
 
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Interesting Kuhn.

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I'm also impressed that Master Replicas is open to honest feedback on their product line but also agree with Kurt's business sense calling for rational considerations when taking new product under advisement. We all know what we'd like to see...but...it's got to be worth the while to research, secure a license for...and sell enough copies to pay for the overhead and insure a sensible margin for the business.[/b]

I'll bet we will see a Slave One from MR. We saw an AT-AT before the Falcon, I think it's a matter of cost. Not popularity. Otherwise we would have an MR X-Wing or Tie by now, I wouldn't be surprised to see a Slave One before MR puts out either model.
MR does their homework on all of their products.

One thing to consider is MR only offers small production runs. They average 1500 units an offering. (In the world of manufacturing this is a small number.)
This is what their research tells them.

MR's primary concern is how many models can they sell to their retailers. Selling to individuals is icing on the cake(They make twice the profit). When they consider an offering the first people(in the outside world) they talk to are retailers.
I've never seen MR post and ask what do you want to see(I could be wrong). It would be great but we are not their primary audience. The retailers are, they buy in bulk(I'll bet even Kuhn doesn't do that :) ).
I think it's to bad that MR doesn't talk about how they evaluate an offering. But then most people would not understand, they would only complain about how little a product costs vs. retail.

To give you an idea of what a product costs.
Take the retail price, half that. You'll have the (aprox)wholesale cost.
To find what a product costs MR to manufacture, divide the retail price by 4.6.
These numbers are just a guess. (I used to be in the gift industry. These numbers are what we used.)
These numbers may or may not include packaging.
This is simplified, they also have to pay George, R&D costs, tooling costs, shipping from China(Insurance, imagine the fun if they lost a container). Then pay their people. In the end it's amazing that they can make money on props, but they do.

Sorry about the long winded post.

Max


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Let's face it,.. the fans, in most cases, ruin franchises... just look at what happened to Star Trek.[/b]
No kidding.
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LOLOL..you're right... I never buy in bulk for this stuff,... well?... almost never.. ;)

Max,.. your post a good post with very great information for all to know. People should read it a few times to let it sink in,.. if only, to understand a business perspective. Nicely stated mate.

I agree that cost has to do with everything made and sold. On the other hand... even the retailers buy in bulk to sell to the collector,.. so popularity must play a small or better part into the equation. Otherwise, we would probably see something like a SS Assasin Chase Vehicle from EpII...lol. Which isn't bad,.. but not sought after or popular by any means..lol.

Overall Max,.. great post with great information. Good man. :thumbsup :) :thumbsup
 
The reason we saw an AT-AT before a FALCON is far less complicated that people might speculate.

The Studio Scale series was a new line for Master Replicas. They hadn't produced a model replica before and decided to start with a relatively easy subject matter (HA.). The AT-AT was chosen because of its iconic status. Arguably THE most eyepopping new vehicle seen in ESB and in the saga as a whole. Each of the Studio Scale series need to be iconic enough to appeal in numbers to the serious collector.

The Falcon was always planned to be produced one day, it was just put back to allow the necessary skills and processes to be developed to a point where this great pirate ship could be tackled with confidence. Imagine a new company producing the Falcon right out of the gate? Not pretty.

The Studio Scale series is in its infancy but in the less than three years these models have been on sale, MR has constantly upped the bar each time. They've delivered sturdily, well constructed replicas (AT-AT); replicated complex paint jobs (SNOWSPEEDER); tackled the most intricate of detailing (MILLENNIUM FALCON), all with outstanding accuracy. I can't wait to see what great new challenges they have planned for the coming year(s).

Barry
 
Thanks Kuhn.

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LOLOL..you're right... I never buy in bulk for this stuff,... well?... almost never.. wink.gif
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Me too. If only CostCo sold models. :lol

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I agree that cost has to do with everything made and sold. On the other hand... even the retailers buy in bulk to sell to the collector,.. so popularity must play a small or better part into the equation. Otherwise, we would probably see something like a SS Assasin Chase Vehicle from EpII...lol. Which isn't bad,.. but not sought after or popular by any means..lol.[/b]

I do wonder how much popularity plays in an offering. How do you evaluate this market? You could watch the RPF, but that is not a good measure of the market. Most Sci-Fi fans are not in a postion to buy MR high dollar offerings. Lets face it Kuhn sci-fi fans are a small group, Sci-Fi fans with money is even smaller. By this MR did evaluate the market well. If you want proof they only have small offerings. Their primary customer is 35-45 in age, makes 35,000-200,000+ a year. I'll bet they are mostly white males as well. All grew up in the 70's. There are always going to be exceptions. Most likely this is their customer.

Code 3 put out DV's Tie Fighter, they took a bath on it. You would think you could sell 5000 units @ $300 each. After all they sold out the X-Wings. Nope, I got one for $100. Code 3 is blowing them out. Why? Could be any number of reasons. Most likely It didn't sell fast enough.

If MR went on popularity we would see X-Wings & Tie Fighters.
They did go on populaity with props, look at the ST props, MR made them all. Lightsabers look to be their bread and butter.

MR is building up their resources, and as a business they are doing everything right. I would love to see what other types of products they plan to produce.
 
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Me too. If only CostCo sold models. :lol

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LOLOL... that is more amusing than I could possibly tell you.

Can you imagine? Dream sequence...(I just picked up a CC X-wing 6 pack at Coscto for $599.) LOL... duuuude. :lol
 
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Me too. If only CostCo sold models. :lol

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LOLOL... that is more amusing than I could possibly tell you.

Can you imagine? Dream sequence...(I just picked up a CC X-wing 6 pack at Coscto for $599.) LOL... duuuude. :lol
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You forgot the Summer Passport $100 dollar off coupon now thru 8-29.
 
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Me too. If only CostCo sold models. :lol

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LOLOL... that is more amusing than I could possibly tell you.

Can you imagine? Dream sequence...(I just picked up a CC X-wing 6 pack at Coscto for $599.) LOL... duuuude. :lol
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You forgot the Summer Passport $100 dollar off coupon now thru 8-29.
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kuhn, that's why I wrote it.
Just think using your Executive Membership to buy models, and getting money back :D .

Han, $100 dollars off. I'll take 2 X-Wing packs, and 2 Tie Fighter packs. And a Darth Vader Helmet.
:lol :lol :lol
 
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B Wing would be cool, but the SS is very small
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I would hate to see what you would call big for a SS model?????? :confused :eek

The B-wing appears to be all of 20"-24", probably bigger then the X-wing and almost as big as the Y-wing.

I would hardly call it very small when compared to the others, just how big did you think it was???

Lynn
 
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