Coming. I promise haha. Im trying to make sure I get GOOD pics. The costume is very difficult to photograph if you are trying to capture the accurate detail, sparkle and overall appearance. Even seeing it on film and all the photos I've seen doesnt do the detail and look of the fabric justice.
Scream robe
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The robe maker would like to see detailed shots of the shape of the bottom - where the 'jagged' edges are. Measurements of these would be helpful in nailing an accurate reproduction as well as measurements of the arm 'streamers'.
The next time I get an email reply from them, I will ask her if she knows of a good way for you to get an accurate pattern from your robe.
I will do the best I can with the pics. I have however been receiving some interesting feedback by way of private messaging on here and the michael-myers.net boards. People telling me not to reveal every detail of the costume to the public, for fear of replicas being pawned off as the real ones used for the movies.
I'm all for helping you guys. Afterall, thats why I joined here in the first place. What good is knowledge and information if you keep it to yourself all your life right? But I do agree that there should be some way to make replicas clearly distinguishable from the real thing. The last thing we need is someone buying a replica for $200 and then post it up on Ebay as being screen worn and jipping someone out of a few grand.
Anyways, pics are coming. Be patient....
I'm all for helping you guys. Afterall, thats why I joined here in the first place. What good is knowledge and information if you keep it to yourself all your life right? But I do agree that there should be some way to make replicas clearly distinguishable from the real thing. The last thing we need is someone buying a replica for $200 and then post it up on Ebay as being screen worn and jipping someone out of a few grand.
Anyways, pics are coming. Be patient....
Totally understandable, and for that I have a very simple and easy solution. In order to have this maintain complete movie accuracy, yet still be distinguishable from an 'original' - we could ask the robe maker to include a sewn-in label from thier company inside the robe and perhaps another one in a 'secret' location. They specialize in movie replica robes and would understand the need for accruacy yet also the need to keep it distingishable as a 'replica'.
We could also have them use a different snap-closure system or any number of small traces deliberately done to help distinguish it from the original.
Anyone who is telling you not to share all the info may be worried that it would de-value thier screen-used robes and also that the replicas could be sold as the real deal - and like I suggested, a few TINY add-ons (like the company label) could help do that and still maintain authenticity.
Thats a great solution! haha. Simple. Effective. I agree that they are probably worried about "devalue" of the the actual ones, but to me that makes no sense. I mean afterall, thats why you pay the big bucks for a screen worn item. Because its screen worn. A replica will always be a replica, and wouldnt devalue a screen worn one at all. Sure you can get an exact replica of Obi Wan's Jedi robe for $500. But the actual screen worn one would still go for thousands of dollars.
Anyways I like the idea of having a label sewn into the robe. And while we are on the subject of buttons, and such other details, I was curious myself how you plan to do these replicas. For example, my photos and details and info will be enough for a screen accurate Scream 3 robe. Which differs from the robes in part 1 and 2. I think its cool this could turn into the type of thing with Jason masks and Michael Myers masks. Where there are several versions for each film. It would defitnily be cool to have a replica in all three styles for Scream 1,2 and 3 and possibly eventually Scream 4.
Also, this probably goes without saying but lets make sure this company understands what the bullet holes in my costume are, and NOT to include them in the design. haha.
And finally my friends, the even better news.... I am about to don the costume in about 15 min. I should have the first few photos up within the next hour or so.
*EDIT* Scratch that. My photog backed out. Looks like I wont have the photos till tomorrow. Sorry guys. One of my good friend is a pro photographer. I guess we are gonna have them taken in his studio tomorrow morning. Hopefully the lighting will make the details all the more better.
Anyways I like the idea of having a label sewn into the robe. And while we are on the subject of buttons, and such other details, I was curious myself how you plan to do these replicas. For example, my photos and details and info will be enough for a screen accurate Scream 3 robe. Which differs from the robes in part 1 and 2. I think its cool this could turn into the type of thing with Jason masks and Michael Myers masks. Where there are several versions for each film. It would defitnily be cool to have a replica in all three styles for Scream 1,2 and 3 and possibly eventually Scream 4.
Also, this probably goes without saying but lets make sure this company understands what the bullet holes in my costume are, and NOT to include them in the design. haha.
And finally my friends, the even better news.... I am about to don the costume in about 15 min. I should have the first few photos up within the next hour or so.
*EDIT* Scratch that. My photog backed out. Looks like I wont have the photos till tomorrow. Sorry guys. One of my good friend is a pro photographer. I guess we are gonna have them taken in his studio tomorrow morning. Hopefully the lighting will make the details all the more better.
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First, lets figure out WHAT differences there were between the three movie robes.
I am sure the robe maker would be OK with offering different styles - as custom robes ARE thier speciality.
The Scream 1 robe does not look like it has a closure running down the front, rather it is a 'pull over'.
This could be a less expensive version (as per my lates email from the robe maker, an accuarate button set would drive the cost up for each robe to no more than $300)
The Scream 2 robe - at least the one in the end, had an opening in the front of the robe when Mickey rips the robe off after the big reveal. I will have to check my DVD to double check that this closure system was or wasn't used for the majority of the movie.
The above case may be true with the Scream 3 robe. The one screamfan has was used at the end when the robe was required to be opened up to reveal the bullet proof vest. This robe could have been unique for this scene because of the need for it to be opened - again, I will have to check the DVD to see if this is true.
If anyone has anything to add as far as the differences between the three robes, what were 'hero' robes and 'stunt', please speak up.
It is my intention to have the robe maker offer at least TWO versions of the robe - one being a less-expensive 'pull over' version, and the snap-closure version.
Chime in if you can contribute any info or suggestions...
I am sure the robe maker would be OK with offering different styles - as custom robes ARE thier speciality.
The Scream 1 robe does not look like it has a closure running down the front, rather it is a 'pull over'.
This could be a less expensive version (as per my lates email from the robe maker, an accuarate button set would drive the cost up for each robe to no more than $300)
The Scream 2 robe - at least the one in the end, had an opening in the front of the robe when Mickey rips the robe off after the big reveal. I will have to check my DVD to double check that this closure system was or wasn't used for the majority of the movie.
The above case may be true with the Scream 3 robe. The one screamfan has was used at the end when the robe was required to be opened up to reveal the bullet proof vest. This robe could have been unique for this scene because of the need for it to be opened - again, I will have to check the DVD to see if this is true.
If anyone has anything to add as far as the differences between the three robes, what were 'hero' robes and 'stunt', please speak up.
It is my intention to have the robe maker offer at least TWO versions of the robe - one being a less-expensive 'pull over' version, and the snap-closure version.
Chime in if you can contribute any info or suggestions...
Yeah the Scream 1 robe was a pullover. Except for the last scene in which Sidney is wearing it briefly. That one is split down the middle. With velcro.
The Scream 3 robes all were split down the middle. I think I already posted this, but the stuntman from Scream 3 (whom I bought the costume from) told me that they were all split but there was 2 versions. A velcro and a snap button version. He said the snap button ones were used for about 95% of the scenes involving ghostface. The buttons insured it would NOT seperate while running or falling or anything of that nature. The velcro costume was used ONLY for quick takes and pick up shots because it could be easily and quickly removed as needed. As you can imagine, putting on and removing a costume with nearly 150 metal snap buttons is not a quick or easy task.
The Scream 3 robes all were split down the middle. I think I already posted this, but the stuntman from Scream 3 (whom I bought the costume from) told me that they were all split but there was 2 versions. A velcro and a snap button version. He said the snap button ones were used for about 95% of the scenes involving ghostface. The buttons insured it would NOT seperate while running or falling or anything of that nature. The velcro costume was used ONLY for quick takes and pick up shots because it could be easily and quickly removed as needed. As you can imagine, putting on and removing a costume with nearly 150 metal snap buttons is not a quick or easy task.
In which case, we could offer THREE versions of the robe:
TYPE 1A (standard version): Pullover
TYPE 1B (Deluxe version): Velcro closure
TYPE 2 (Ultra Deluxe): Snap closure
Based on the rough quote given to me by the robe maker, the button closure version would cost around $300. This quote was based on the photo, showing this snap closure system, generously shared by screamfan.
This would suggest that a velcro closure system ("Deluxe version" as I will call it) would be subtsantially less, lets say at least $50 less.
Lets also say that the "Standard" version being a pull-over would be less than that, though I don't expect it to be any less than $225. These are MY OWN theoretical estimates. Once I get more info and share more correspondece with the robe maker and screamfan, I will be in a better position to negotiate and help determine the best price points for each version.
Keep in mind, that although the overall design of the robe appears simple enough, the addition of things like the attached gloves, the sleeve streamers and other nitpick details will ultimately make this robe a little more complex than what is currently offered in thier stock inventory, which essentially contains Jedi and gothic style robes.
I will continue to help organize the production of these but in the meantime, I would like as much input as possible from all interested members...
TYPE 1A (standard version): Pullover
TYPE 1B (Deluxe version): Velcro closure
TYPE 2 (Ultra Deluxe): Snap closure
Based on the rough quote given to me by the robe maker, the button closure version would cost around $300. This quote was based on the photo, showing this snap closure system, generously shared by screamfan.
This would suggest that a velcro closure system ("Deluxe version" as I will call it) would be subtsantially less, lets say at least $50 less.
Lets also say that the "Standard" version being a pull-over would be less than that, though I don't expect it to be any less than $225. These are MY OWN theoretical estimates. Once I get more info and share more correspondece with the robe maker and screamfan, I will be in a better position to negotiate and help determine the best price points for each version.
Keep in mind, that although the overall design of the robe appears simple enough, the addition of things like the attached gloves, the sleeve streamers and other nitpick details will ultimately make this robe a little more complex than what is currently offered in thier stock inventory, which essentially contains Jedi and gothic style robes.
I will continue to help organize the production of these but in the meantime, I would like as much input as possible from all interested members...
It will be great to see this thing available for sale - I've always scratched my head and wondered why no company ever bothered to sell a decent Scream robe - even without the sparkly fabric, you could at least have a good quality heavy black fabric cut in the same pattern...woulda' made all those 'Scream' fan films I made back in high-school a whole lot better, that's for sure!
Im with you on that. Before I owned my scream 3 robe, I used to be obsessed with finding one that looked screen accurate. I used to stop at any fabric and costume shop I could find to try to find the infamous "sparkly black" fabric. It wasnt until around the Scream 2 days when Wes Craven himself answered my question about the costumes. As soon as he said the fabric was rare and expensive in range of $300 a costume, I gave up hope haha.
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Anyway I think the three versions is an excellent idea. I would be down for the button snap option. I just hope they can nail all the other details of this thing.
We are defenately going to try and have the final product look like it does on screen, keeping that in mind, any secret construction details that can be left out while still maintaining a SA look, will be - for the simple fact that there WILL be people out there who would try and resell this robe as an original and in order to keep this thing truly a replica only, I really want to preserve the nature of the authentic robes out there.
I agree with you 100%. If his original has pockets in it or a blue liner I wouldn't miss them on my replica. But measurements of things like the hood, sleeves etc are very important to get the look correct to the movie.
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Great photo comparisons above! That's exaclty my line of thinking. Even back in high school when my love for movie props and costumes was still in its infancy, I still knew the store bought scream costume was a complete piece of junk!
I'm intent on getting all the shaping right on this thing. Lets just hope that material the robe maker has is at least very close enough, if not THE material.
It was hard finding a good picture of ole Ghostface.
What I like about the screen used one is that the hood seems really deep and there are so many shadows you almost cannot tell what is really going on in there. The mask is like suspended in black.
Im very excited to compare the material to the actual costume and see how close it is. As far as distinguishing a replica from an original, like GeneralFROSTY said, we will be working hard on maintaining a screen accurate look without completely copying every detail of the original. For example, although the button closure system is now out there, if I had never mentioned that detail it would make no difference in how accurate the replica looks, as this is a hidden detail not seen on screen. While all information and secrets of this robe will be studied by myself and GeneralFROSTY, we will be working hard to determine what is important and what is not. Anything going on inside the costume or any hidden details will be left out, so long as they do not compromise the outside look of what you see on screen.
Point being, do not stress on the fact that we are intentionally leaving some details and features out. Rest assured, if all goes as planned the final product will be the most accurate replica Ghostface robe ever produced.
Point being, do not stress on the fact that we are intentionally leaving some details and features out. Rest assured, if all goes as planned the final product will be the most accurate replica Ghostface robe ever produced.
Anyone wondering a brief history about the screen worn killer robes that have been sold to the public, here is a brief history I just posted over at michael-myers.net
There has only ever been a total of 3 screen used killer "hero" robes sold to the public/collectors. One from each movie. The Scream 1 robe, sold around the release of the first film was unfortunitly bought by one of those collectors/resellers who cut the thing up into hundreds of tiny squares and sold framed "pieces" of it. What a shame.
The Scream 2 robe was sold years ago in a private auction to a collector who has since been reluctant to share photos or details about it. The current location/status of this robe is unknown.
And finally, the Scream 3 robe was purchased by me, directly from the stuntman who worked on the film and this is the only "complete" screen used robe and mask set ever sold.
Keep in mind when I say screen used killer "hero" robe, I mean the actual black sparkly costumes worn by the killers. NOT the robes that were worn by extras in the movie theater scenes in Scream 2.
After doing a lot digging, and using what info is available and known this is what Ive come up with.... According to Wes Craven himself, there were only 3-4 costumes made for each film. Assuming this is true its safe to estimate that there is no more than 12 total costumes for the entire trilogy.
I know for a fact that Wes Craven himself owns a costume from each film. That brings the estimated total down to 9. I also know that Kevin Williamson owns one from the first and 2nd film. Estimated total down to 7. It is also RUMORED that there is one on display at the Dimension Films offices. Total now down to 6. And we know of at least 3 that were sold to collectors, which brings the estimated total to 3 unaccounted for costumes. Which are all likely in the possession of cast memebers or stuntmen. And I would be willing to bet that the costume designer has one. This is speculation, but you can see the rarity of these.
There has only ever been a total of 3 screen used killer "hero" robes sold to the public/collectors. One from each movie. The Scream 1 robe, sold around the release of the first film was unfortunitly bought by one of those collectors/resellers who cut the thing up into hundreds of tiny squares and sold framed "pieces" of it. What a shame.
The Scream 2 robe was sold years ago in a private auction to a collector who has since been reluctant to share photos or details about it. The current location/status of this robe is unknown.
And finally, the Scream 3 robe was purchased by me, directly from the stuntman who worked on the film and this is the only "complete" screen used robe and mask set ever sold.
Keep in mind when I say screen used killer "hero" robe, I mean the actual black sparkly costumes worn by the killers. NOT the robes that were worn by extras in the movie theater scenes in Scream 2.
After doing a lot digging, and using what info is available and known this is what Ive come up with.... According to Wes Craven himself, there were only 3-4 costumes made for each film. Assuming this is true its safe to estimate that there is no more than 12 total costumes for the entire trilogy.
I know for a fact that Wes Craven himself owns a costume from each film. That brings the estimated total down to 9. I also know that Kevin Williamson owns one from the first and 2nd film. Estimated total down to 7. It is also RUMORED that there is one on display at the Dimension Films offices. Total now down to 6. And we know of at least 3 that were sold to collectors, which brings the estimated total to 3 unaccounted for costumes. Which are all likely in the possession of cast memebers or stuntmen. And I would be willing to bet that the costume designer has one. This is speculation, but you can see the rarity of these.
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PlasticineNinja
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I'm definitely in for one of these robes. I found the one that starjerk guy did but I read that he ripped alot of people off.
Slightly off topic but I've been wanting to do the alternate KNB mask that was left in a few scenes. Would anyone else be interested in one? I know I could sculpt an accurate one.
Slightly off topic but I've been wanting to do the alternate KNB mask that was left in a few scenes. Would anyone else be interested in one? I know I could sculpt an accurate one.
PlasticineNinja
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Here's a better image.
