RS Prop Masters 10th Anniversary Stunt Helmet

[ggriffaw]

They didn't switch to ABS for the armour because they were having problems painting the HDPE. They tried making the helmets with ABS as well at first, but had trouble getting the ABS helmets off the buck without cracking/ breaking the plastic, because of the the deep undercuts on the Stormy tubes. Therefore, they switched to HDPE which was much more flexible and easy to pry off the buck without breaking.

The helmets were never meant to last, only to complete the filming hence the limited life span of the paint. I also think I read somewhere that they might have used latex house paint and just put that on with a brush.

If you look closely at ANH you can see the stunt Stormy helmets are a slightly different white than their armour.

I wonder how they were able to use ABS for the hero faceplates without cracking. I know it is a different sculpt, but I would think there would be a similar problem with the tubes.

I understand the props only need to last long enough to get the shots, but I doubt they were expecting the paint on the stunt helmets to flake as badly as it did so quickly.

I have no Agenda...the only thing I said is that this upgrade to the normal stuntversion is not worth over 300$.
And thats only my own opinion.I cannot understand why every skeptical person must have an agenda or something.
But I think its the same like with the Apple stuff...they can release what they want...the real fans will buy it.Oh and I also have an Iphone.
But its 2 years old.

They need to paint a layer of primer and the white coat and there is additional material cost. The 10th Anniversary helmet also includes a stand and plaque which doesn't come with the standard helmet. I have no idea if these sum to the complete difference in price. There could be an extra markup because of the 10th Anniversary being a limited time anniversary release.

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Same website, pretty glossy.

And the photos you provided were of the initial base coat layer (2nd layer) I was describing. Process as follows: Red oxide, flat/satin white, ears on, gloss coat white.

I know the finished helmets were glossy. I posted a link to that specific photo because the helmets aren't finished yet. The paint looks brighter and not glossy, but that could just be because the image is a little over exposed and the angle of the light.

 

[AdamFX]

I have no Agenda...the only thing I said is that this upgrade to the normal stuntversion is not worth over 300$.
And thats only my own opinion.

It is worth it for those that want the absolute best replica to date. Absolutely, it's worth it. You're just not the kind of person that understands what these helmets are and who they are for. Buy an ABS or PVC RS Props helmet or kit even. They are more affordable. However these Anniversary Helmets are not for people that just want to buy a stormtrooper helmet. They are for hardcore stormtrooper fanatics that want the closest replica ever made to an original helmet. I bought 2... I'd buy 4 if I didn't have any self control For a long time, TK helmets of this quality were only a dream until RS Props came along with their own screen used helmet. The hardcore fans have been waiting a long time for helmets of this quality and material.

Again most people aren't going to buy these helmets and they shouldn't. These are for a special group of crazy people that want the absolute best and most accurate to the original helmet. RS Props could just sell ABS to the general public but RS Props is run by people that love this stuff just as much as their customers do. They're not going to settle for any less, and we aren't either. $300 more? It's pretty fair for that amount of care and detail!

 

[Kroenen77]

It is worth it for those that want the absolute best replica to date. Absolutely, it's worth it. You're just not the kind of person that understands what these helmets are and who they are for. Buy an ABS or PVC RS Props helmet or kit even. They are more affordable. However these Anniversary Helmets are not for people that just want to buy a stormtrooper helmet. They are for hardcore stormtrooper fanatics that want the closest replica ever made to an original helmet. I bought 2... I'd buy 4 if I didn't have any self control For a long time, TK helmets of this quality were only a dream until RS Props came along with their own screen used helmet. The hardcore fans have been waiting a long time for helmets of this quality and material.

Again most people aren't going to buy these helmets and they shouldn't. These are for a special group of crazy people that want the absolute best and most accurate to the original helmet. RS Props could just sell ABS to the general public but RS Props is run by people that love this stuff just as much as their customers do. They're not going to settle for any less, and we aren't either. $300 more? It's pretty fair for that amount of care and detail!

The big Question is: Must you pay so much more money because you are a hardcorefan or could RS make this more accurate helmets also cheaper for you?

 

[AdamFX]

The big Question is: Must you pay so much more money because you are a hardcorefan or could RS make this more accurate helmets also cheaper for you?

Well technically they could make all of their products cheaper but that's not a great business plan.

 

[ggriffaw]

The big Question is: Must you pay so much more money because you are a hardcorefan or could RS make this more accurate helmets also cheaper for you?

That depends on how much the materials (primer, paint, possibly additional cost for the green plastic compared to abs), extra labor for painting several layers, and the stand/plaque cost. I would think a good portion of the 225 pound difference is accounted for by the extra costs to manufacture and the stand/plaque.

If you order a commission x-wing helmet, they base the price on how much painting is involved. They don't charge large markups like you see for some replicas such as lineage Vader casts made by other vendors.

 

[gizmo]

The big Question is: Must you pay so much more money because you are a hardcorefan or could RS make this more accurate helmets also cheaper for you?

Dude you've mentioned cost about 6 times over the last two pages. Clearly there's something wrong and it's not the helmet.


Ben

 

[Gerard2567]

Dude you've mentioned cost about 6 times over the last two pages. Clearly there's something wrong and it's not the helmet.


Ben

Hahahah, must be our wallets.

 

[Kroenen77]

Well technically they could make all of their products cheaper but that's not a great business plan.

Yes but I think for lineage and a good quality(most time) props the prices for their other helmets are not bad.
We are only talking about this edition.And when you think its ok buy it...buy 4 of it...but I can also say what I think about it.

Dude you've mentioned cost about 6 times over the last two pages. Clearly there's something wrong and it's not the helmet.


Ben

Personal insults are your last way,Dude?Not so shy!

Hahahah, must be our wallets.

Yes.

 

[gizmo]

Personal insults are your last way,Dude?Not so shy!

Wasn't an insult dude,just an observation of the fact that you keep mentioning the price. Look back at the last couple of pages,It's like a broken record.Seeing you're not buying and others are happy to pay then you obviously have some sort of reasoning behind your remarks and it's not about the helmet. We get it, you don't think the helmet is worth it. No need to mention it so many times. What do you gain from it. Pretty sure the run is done very soon anyway so you don't need to worry about people getting ripped off anymore. Lol.



Ben

 

[Kroenen77]

Wasn't an insult dude,just an observation of the fact that you keep mentioning the price. Look back at the last couple of pages,It's like a broken record.Seeing you're not buying and others are happy to pay then you obviously have some sort of reasoning behind your remarks and it's not about the helmet. We get it, you don't think the helmet is worth it. No need to mention it so many times. What do you gain from it. Pretty sure the run is done very soon anyway so you don't need to worry about people getting ripped off anymore. Lol.



Ben

I only reacted on the posts that wanted to show me that I´m wrong.I´ve never said that its a bad helmet or something.
For me it was always the big extra charge that I think its not really fair.
When nobody says honestly his critism the prices will go higher and higher in the next years.And than only people with big wallets can buy it.
Thats ok for companys like RS because they have only the half of work for the same money.But is it also good for us?

 

[NickCline]

Worth every penny and then some. “Fair” is what someone is willing to pay. RS offers something that is unique and appeals to a niche group of collectors. Collecting screen-accurate props within itself is an oddity relatively speaking, and this piece is even more so. Which within itself justifies the price considering how few are made, not to mention R&D.

RS employees a full-time staff and continues to invest in production-used pieces to reverse engineer things Star Wars collectors could only dream of owning until this age of collecting. These things aren’t cheap. Cost reflects that, and honestly, still fair market value when you compare it to much lesser offerings. Even though you really can’t find a readily available TK like this anywhere to compare it to, which validates my point even further.

Very few things in this hobby that we consider accurate come at a low price. It really comes down to what you prioritize, and for many, a helmet made in the same spirit as the original screen-used TK helmet is at the top of list and merits the cost.

 

[BlandoCalrssian]

I would think that a decent portion of the cost increase is simply due to the fact that that type of green HDPE is hard to source and pretty tricky to work with.

 

[Kroenen77]

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Worth every penny and then some. “Fair” is what someone is willing to pay. RS offers something that is unique and appeals to a niche group of collectors. Collecting screen-accurate props within itself is an oddity relatively speaking, and this piece is even more so. Which within itself justifies the price considering how few are made, not to mention R&D.

RS employees a full-time staff and continues to invest in production-used pieces to reverse engineer things Star Wars collectors could only dream of owning until this age of collecting. These things aren’t cheap. Cost reflects that, and honestly, still fair market value when you compare it to much lesser offerings. Even though you really can’t find a readily available TK like this anywhere to compare it to, which validates my point even further.

Very few things in this hobby that we consider accurate come at a low price. It really comes down to what you prioritize, and for many, a helmet made in the same spirit as the original screen-used TK helmet is at the top of list and merits the cost.

You just have to believe in it.
But your helmets looks great.

I would think that a decent portion of the cost increase is simply due to the fact that that type of green HDPE is hard to source and pretty tricky to work with.

Oh yes,that´s exactly what it will be!

 

[BRRogers]

for example:
One would have to believe the recent markups on vintage boot studs means someone either foolishly paid over $1000usd for their sets or is boosting the cost of labor to extract and ship them for profit…
However, perhaps one should trust that-

Availability, research, passion, accuracy, time, and labor = fair compensation. Artists should know and respect that this is an issue that will run businesses (especially small niche ones who are creating not reselling) into the ground if they don’t care for and value their work AND employees AND families to make sure their needs are met.

To again use the boot stud analogy: Someone else might not pay so much for studs because they think the going price is ridiculous and might know it costs less to produce high quality studs as extracting them is easy and finding them at a low price too (I actually still have a lot from the first set found). However half the reason the price has become inflated is because someone felt they were worth more, needed them to be, or felt their time was worth enough to be. Should one spam a thread about it? No and shouldn’t (Because that’s not nice and whoever sets the price has set their own terms based on how they value it)
So for a complex product offering like this I think it should be fair game with less trolling for sure in my opinion.
One just has to trust they are being honest about the markup vs value ratio and hope that the value is worth it for both the seller and the consumer. In this case it seems the overwhelming response is that the product is an exceptional value in which case I congratulate the owners of RS’ products.

I wish I could afford one of these otherwise I would immediately jump on but unfortunately I don’t have the free cash (despite it seeming like an amazing value for the passion and investment by the team at RS). I’m just poor and my anxious dog takes all my money

 

[Kroenen77]

for example:
One would have to believe the recent markups on vintage boot studs means someone either foolishly paid over $1000usd for their sets or is boosting the cost of labor to extract and ship them for profit…
However, perhaps one should trust that-

Availability, research, passion, accuracy, time, and labor = fair compensation. Artists should know and respect that this is an issue that will run businesses (especially small niche ones who are creating not reselling) into the ground if they don’t care for and value their work AND employees AND families to make sure their needs are met.

To again use the boot stud analogy: Someone else might not pay so much for studs because they think the price is ridiculous and might know it costs less to produce high quality studs as extracting them is easy and finding them at a low price too (I actually still have a lot from the first set found). However half the reason the price has become inflated is because *someone* felt they were worth more. Should one spam a thread about it? No and shouldn’t (Because that’s not nice and whoever sets the price has set their own terms based on how they value it)
So for a complex product offering like this I think it should be fair game with less trolling for sure in my opinion.
One just has to trust they are being honest about the markup vs value ratio and hope that the value is worth it for both the seller and the consumer.

If it’s not a good value for the consumer they will recognize it, express their displeasure, not buy it… and then hopefully respect the space of other ACTUAL consumers while they critically review and/or enjoy the product they have received.

Nobody said that RS should sell their props for the material price.Same for collectors of real vintageparts.All the time the only question was:
Are the upgrades from the standardhelmet to this edition worth 300$?I said no but others said yes...so its really like a broken record..haha...every side has their points.And thats ok.So all good.

 

[mandalorian233]

I received m

Mando233 any news on yours ? Nothing yet on mine

I received mine last week and was very disappointed. The shape is way off compared to what my Sandtrooper looks like. I sent them an email and Andrea said that it might have been assembled wrong.

 

[Scruffylooking]

I received m

I received mine last week and was very disappointed. The shape is way off compared to what my Sandtrooper looks like. I sent them an email and Andrea said that it might have been assembled wrong.

Would you mind posting some pics please?

 

[AdamFX]

Yeah definitely post pictures.

 

[mandalorian233]

Would you mind posting some pics please?

 

[MClass]

I don’t see a problem? What Sandtrooper are you comparing this to?