RPF recasting rules ammendment suggestion.

[defstartrooper]

I would like to suggest that the RPF change the rules regarding recasting to cover all fan made works.
the current rules only prohibit recasting RPF members work, so basically you are free to buy a prop or model or something offsite recast it and offer it for sale here aslong as the person who made the piece originally isn't a member.

I've seen one member doing just this and reported it to a staff member and whilst that staff member agrees that recasting is wrong they say they cannot take any action against the member making and selling recasts because the person who made the item originally is not a member.

This isn't a one off piece that someone has bought and discovered its a recast and are selling it on as such, they are actually gathering interest for a run.

Does anyone else think that's wrong ?

 

[steveo]

Isn't recasting recasting? No matter where it's done?

 

[defstartrooper]

Isn't recasting recasting? No matter where it's done?

To me it is but the rules here only prohibit recasting of another members work.
That's why i would like to see the rule changed.

 

[steveo]

I think that stinks if that's really the rules. Why is it ok if it's not a member? That's just insane.

 

[defstartrooper]

Selling/trading of recast items:
Deliberately recasting another member’s creation without permission is something this community does not support. A member found selling/trading items recast from another member without permission will face possible disciplinary action.

That's all the rules say, i also dont like that it says possible disciplinary action that gives a bad impression i think.

The staff member i contacted has told me they will be discussing the case i reported with the other staff which is great but i'd still like to see the rules prohibiting the sale of recasts of non members work.

 

[defstartrooper]

Guess we're in the minority

 

[JoeR]

Seems reasonable Gary.

Joe

 

[tango'd fett]

I didn't realise this was the case here ,I thought any recaster should be banned ,how does where you got it from make it OK ! weird rule if you ask me :rolleyes

 

[Kuhn Global]

This is a thread just waiting to explode with such things as acceptance, and/or exceptions to the meaning of re-casting in the name of simply wanting an item.

It is obvious what a recast is in the meaning of the GK market (which is quite often hypocritical of itself)... and who has done it.

My advice, instead of posting a rule... is to just avoid doing, or buying what you believe it may be. Your moral compass will tell you immediately with a short burst of doubt.

It is my hopes and wishes to end this type of behavior, and to bring the GK hobby even closer to being legal through reasonable, succinct license someday in the future.

 

[Wake]

I would like to see the RPF rules address the recasting of licensed replicas, as distinct from original props. I'm sure I came across some guidelines to do with whether the producer will held the licence, but I'm not sure where they are now, and they ought to be in the same place as the current recasting rule.

 

[Walter]

Recasting is recasting is recasting and it is all not permissible on the RPF.

The junkyard is viewable by non-members so that artists/owners and licensees may contact the member selling an item that they may have a concern about. It is up to the owner to contact the member and initiate the conversation.

If the owner has not received a reply or the member is being unresponsive to their requests, the owner may contact the staff so that we can help facilitate communication.

Also, I would like to point out, what some think is a black and white issue is not always so without solid, conclusive evidence... there is a lot of here-say and opinion out there.

The staff does the best that it can, but it/we are not out to police the entire hobby and can only help influence what happens within the RPF.

Just a few thoughts...

 

[defstartrooper]

Recasting is recasting is recasting and it is all not permissible on the RPF.

The junkyard is viewable by non-members so that artists/owners and licensees may contact the member selling an item that they may have a concern about. It is up to the owner to contact the member and initiate the conversation.

If the owner has not received a reply or the member is being unresponsive to their requests, the owner may contact the staff so that we can help facilitate communication.

Also, I would like to point out, what some think is a black and white issue is not always so without solid, conclusive evidence... there is a lot of here-say and opinion out there.

The staff does the best that it can, but it/we are not out to police the entire hobby and can only help influence what happens within the RPF.

Just a few thoughts...

The rules state rpf members only and when i asked a staff member this in private whilst reporting the act of recasting in process that was what i was told, the piece wasn't originally made by an rpf member so it doesn't come under the rules of the rpf.
I have the PM's.
This person is still a member by the way who i reported even though they openly said in public on this forum that they didn't make the piece and didn't have permission to copy it, they figure its ok to copy because they can't find the original maker(without really trying to), i'd say that was black and white from the horses mouth.

It seems you as a staff member are unaware of the report i made and why i bought this subject up which leaves me with little confidence in the reply i got that the situation would be discussed by the staff, clearly it wasn't.

 

[defstartrooper]

Bump to break the silence.

 

[TheSt.LouisKid]

Recasting is recasting is recasting...

Amen. :thumbsup

 

[Walter]

If you would like to talk about a specific case offline I am more than happy.

I will however say this: We can 'know' all we like, I 'know' a lot of things, however it is sometimes harder to prove what one may 'know.' Evidence is king and hearsay is nothing more than water cooler discussion.

 

[defstartrooper]

Not sure why i had a post deleted here perhaps you can explain ?
Don't know how many times i have to point out to staff that the person in question stated themselves in a post that they didn't make the item if that's heresay i guess they need to update the dictionary to fit RPF standards.

 

[defstartrooper]

So what's the score fellows is it prohibited to recast all fan produced and currently licensed items or is it only rpf members work being recast that's against the rules ?
I've asked a number of times yet can't seem to get a straight answer either way.

If it's the former as one staff member tells me then perhaps a simple rewording of the rules is in order ?
If the latter which another staff member tells me is the case, which was why i created this thread is true then maybe an amendment of that rule would be good.
They currently simply say.

Selling/trading of recast items:
Deliberately recasting another member’s creation without permission is something this community does not support. A member found selling/trading items recast from another member without permission will face possible disciplinary action.

And what 's with the possible disciplinary action ? is it ok to recast some members stuff or ok for some members to recast stuff ?
Surely there should be no possible about it why should anyone get a pass ? what possible reason could there be not to take action ?

 

[defstartrooper]

4 week bump

 

[rocketeer25]

I would like to suggest that the RPF change the rules regarding recasting to cover all fan made works.
the current rules only prohibit recasting RPF members work, so basically you are free to buy a prop or model or something offsite recast it and offer it for sale here aslong as the person who made the piece originally isn't a member.

Thanks for the suggestion! As everyone knows, the RPF has recasting rules already in place.

From the Code of Conduct:

Selling/trading of recast items:
Deliberately recasting another member’s creation without permission is something this community does not support. A member found selling/trading items recast from another member without permission will face possible disciplinary action.

These guidelines have come from years of dealing with all kinds of recasting situations. They have worked very well for us so far, and many other very popular prop boards (TDH) have modeled their own recasting rules after the RPF CoC.

It seems your biggest concern is RPF members recasting someone outside the RPF. For this situation, we'll call this non-member "Anonymous Internet Dude". Now if a RPF seller were to offer something in the JunkYard, and another RPF member thinks he may have seen something on "Anonymous Internet Dude's" website or maybe an Ebay auction that looks similar... and that RPF member were to alert the staff to the seller's sales post, what can the staff do?

We don't know AID. We don't know where he got his prop, we don't know if AID recast the RPF member, and we don't know if the two have some sort of business deal. We don't know squat, and quite frankly, don't have the time, energy, or inclination to track down AID and see what his side of the story is.

The RPF staff doesn't want to be the Internet Police when it comes to bad deals and recasting. We have enough issues in our own backyard, and it takes tons of time dealing with those situations where we know both parties (RPF members).

It looks like you've started some sort of information clearing house for bad people (bad sellers and recasters). Good for you! I'm not sure how (or if) you verify each and every situation that you've got listed on your site. Like Bryan said in an earlier post

I will however say this: We can 'know' all we like, I 'know' a lot of things, however it is sometimes harder to prove what one may 'know.' Evidence is king and hearsay is nothing more than water cooler discussion.

But at least you've taken action on something you believe strongly in.

Getting back to the example we were using... if an RPF member were to attempt to sell a Anonymous Internet Dude recast in the JY, I think leaving it up to the community to deal with seller is the best way to go. Someone should call him out as a recaster. The peer pressure from having a reputation ruined has done amazing things in the past. Be careful about calling someone out, though. If done with out any proof, the hammer can fall the other way.

In the end, the staff's scope of work is to do our best to protect RPF member from other members. We'll leave the rest of the Internet up to you.