Gyurma
Well-Known Member
In England he is the only one who has the rights to reproduce and sell stormtrooper armor... won against Lucas in the court years ago. ( i do not know about Anovos, how can he reproduce the armor)
Rogue Troopers
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Lichtbringer
Master Member
No. In UK the court has decided it´s a industrial design, that is no longer under protection. Due to this loophole the design is free to be used in UK.
geordietrooper
Sr Member
buy some beer and popcorn then go read this thread http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=102219&highlight=Andrew+Ainsworth
ggriffaw
Sr Member
Ok the fabrication of the originals was rushed and it shows but if your calling the original sculpt and design shabby then there's no hope for you. That original sculpt is artwork,pure and simple. Everything on the original,as it was intended,minus the fabrication flows naturally from part to part making the suit as a whole a beautifully organic and satisfying design. It's iconic. One part flows so well to the next with minimal black seen between,encapsulating the wearer in what looks like a space suit of armor. The parts on the new trooper don't flow well from one to the next with huge gaps in between and oversized limbs. Don't get me into how the oversized cod peice looks like a diaper.:rolleyes
How can people not see this?
I didn't want to get involved in this,I really didn't as I've said my mind in other threads and I'm really pumped for this movie but I'm sorry, to call an absolute work of art done by a very talented artist/s shabby work but then go on to say that somebody who just copied but made worse that artwork talented is just wrong. All they've done is copy the original,and badly at that,but then add functional looking details which takes very minimal talent. I'm happy people like it,I really am but don't mistake lack of talent for art.
Now those Death Troopers I love and someone talented has made something new and exciting with those.
Ben
I can understand the concerns with the fit of the new armor. It's probably harder to alter the shape to fit a specific person since it appears to be thicker and possibly injection molded. That could be an issue if these are sold as kits.
The larger gaps are probably to allow easier movement. The OT stormtroopers didn't do much quick movement.
I'd be happy with the OT forms, but the additional detail of the new. I can understand why creating the OT forms may be an issue with thicker armor that requires higher range of movement.
Wow! If you like and appreciate the old Stormies, get the old stuff. If you like the new Stormies, get the new stuff when it comes out - and it most certainly will.
I love the old warty wonky 1977 classic stormies and Vader, as that's what I grew up with. It's a total nostalgic thing.
I also appreciate what the prop makers did with these new Stormies - especially being more functional for the actors. So yes. I actually like both. Watching Rogue One, I won't think one iota about how these stormtroopers don't 100% match the 1977 Stormtroopers - unless the Rogue One story entirely sucks.
Now if the R1 Vader comes out looking the like a glorified Rubies helmet as predicted by Gino, I'll be rather pissed. If he comes out looking like Brian Muir's Ultimate Vader, I'll be plenty happy.
I love the old warty wonky 1977 classic stormies and Vader, as that's what I grew up with. It's a total nostalgic thing.
I also appreciate what the prop makers did with these new Stormies - especially being more functional for the actors. So yes. I actually like both. Watching Rogue One, I won't think one iota about how these stormtroopers don't 100% match the 1977 Stormtroopers - unless the Rogue One story entirely sucks.
Now if the R1 Vader comes out looking the like a glorified Rubies helmet as predicted by Gino, I'll be rather pissed. If he comes out looking like Brian Muir's Ultimate Vader, I'll be plenty happy.
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Heisenberg07
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I suspect it will come out like the Brian Muir Ultimate Vader. I think Gino is just upset they didn't consult him or use his ANH Vader for R1. That is what happens when you claim to have "the best"...Everything else sucks...lol I am sure we will see soon enough, but based on the leaked artwork and the way they handled the TK's...I believe Vader will look close enough.
cboath
Master Member
LIke I said, what if they want these troopers running? Jumping? Doing major action?
Tell me an off the shelf OT suit can do that. FIlming ROTJ (you'd think they'd have nailed by their 3rd flick, no?) there's the story of the troopers going up the hill to threepio and the top guy trips and falls because he can't see out of the helmet for jack and it's hard to move around. His trip takes down all the troopers going up the hill.
So, as I said previously, what if these changes are to make it substantially more functional?
For that matter, if the originals are so sacrosanct, People should be upset they changed throughout the OT as well.
Hell, what if it's a story point? It's a new version of armor they're test for some reason? Or it's an elite squad that tailors their equipment to themselves at will? There are LOADS of reasons what they could have gone this route. Some just seem totally unwilling to entertain any of them.
I actually kind of like it almost better.
Thing is, short of a close up, you'll be hard pressed to tell much of a difference. If you can watch this movie and notice rivets, I think you're missing the point of the movie. I'm as detail oriented as you want to get, but there's a time for studying every minute detail and a time for watching a movie.
Had they turned the frown into a smile, yeah, be pissed. Same as if there was any massive change. There isn't any massive change. Let it go. You'll have a much better time come december.
Tell me an off the shelf OT suit can do that. FIlming ROTJ (you'd think they'd have nailed by their 3rd flick, no?) there's the story of the troopers going up the hill to threepio and the top guy trips and falls because he can't see out of the helmet for jack and it's hard to move around. His trip takes down all the troopers going up the hill.
So, as I said previously, what if these changes are to make it substantially more functional?
For that matter, if the originals are so sacrosanct, People should be upset they changed throughout the OT as well.
Hell, what if it's a story point? It's a new version of armor they're test for some reason? Or it's an elite squad that tailors their equipment to themselves at will? There are LOADS of reasons what they could have gone this route. Some just seem totally unwilling to entertain any of them.
I actually kind of like it almost better.
Thing is, short of a close up, you'll be hard pressed to tell much of a difference. If you can watch this movie and notice rivets, I think you're missing the point of the movie. I'm as detail oriented as you want to get, but there's a time for studying every minute detail and a time for watching a movie.
Had they turned the frown into a smile, yeah, be pissed. Same as if there was any massive change. There isn't any massive change. Let it go. You'll have a much better time come december.
One suit, only the helmets were different. This is twisted logic saying they had two types of helmets in ANH therefore the changes to the Rogue One suits are okay. They aren't.
HDPE
Sr Member
This board is about studying details , costume and props not about watching a movie or about having a good time in December. Let it go yourself and stick to the entertainment forum.
ROTJ is set years after ANH so the evolution of the suit isn't much of problem.
I think the key point here is that Rogue One ends 10 minutes before ANH starts so yes we hardcore trooper enthusiasts expect the suits to look exactly as they did in ANH, full stop. That's a continuity problem as far as I 'm concerned.
That's why the SE sandtropper scene was a total cluster****.
There weren't two versions of the suit in ANH. Just two different helmets, one for close up scenes and backgrounds helmets labeled within the prop community as stunts.
TazMan2000
Master Member
They just announced the new Star Wars Story....It's called "Rogue Two - You Can't Please Everyone". :devil :lol
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Lichtbringer
Master Member
With this argumentation it´s better you go to the entertainment forums.
Otherwise suck it down that different suit were used ..... and study the details of the new and now actual armor, as they won´t change it to please some.
Get over it, the old suits are done, only for cosplayers now.
This is the issue right here. Just because you have these expectations, doesn't mean those were shared by the people in charge of making the films. They are in no way obligated to make decisions based on what you think. Sure, you can disagree and say you don't like the choices that were made. But to honestly expect them to live up to the expectations of a tiny percentage of a fringe group of fans and then get upset over it? Sorry, but thats just silly.
Heisenberg07
Active Member
This is a broad generalization and also a false assumption. I am a hardcore trooper enthusiast and an absolute stickler for screen accurate details. But I find no problem with the R1 trooper design. In fact I would love to have a R1 trooper bucket sit right along side my RS HDPE. Your response to me might be that I am not a real hardcore trooper enthusiast... But you would be wrong.
Well if you want to get into in universe explanations, look at actual military supplies in the real world. The same item could be made by 3 or 4 different suppliers, all with minute differences, and different modifications over time. It stands to reason that a galactic army stretched across an entire universe would have some troops outfitted with slightly older or newer versions of the same model of armor, and that that same armor would be made by multiple companies/production facilities all across the universe.
cboath
Master Member
Who said anything about stunt people? Running/jogging along isn't a stuntman's work. Nor is jumping or an action scene. Those are things not really capable of really being done in an off the shelf OT suit.
My point is, maybe find out WHY it's different before being mad that it's a slightly bit different. As I said, anyone actually believing it's different just to be different is naive. Granted it cold be as stupid as they changed it 'enough' so that AA can't make suits based on R1. Doubtful, but who knows. I work for a large company and i've seen ridiculous beyond belief changes made because of the legal department.
I'll even state that if the change is simply for change sake, then it's a poor idea. That's not going to be the case though.
99% of the viewing public won't notice a change at all. To say that a screw or rivet will ruin a movie is sad frankly. Hell, i've gone into a viewing intent on looking for stuff like that only to get into the story way early and totally forget until it's over. And i've seen it well over 100 times by now.
Again, though, i'm saying it's pretty hard to hate the change until you know why it was made. At this point NONE of us know why the change was made.
Sure, they're supposed to be like what is seen in ANH more or less. If you 30% of your audience could make that distinction, then you have a problem. If only 1% can tell, well, you did a pretty damn good job.
My point is, maybe find out WHY it's different before being mad that it's a slightly bit different. As I said, anyone actually believing it's different just to be different is naive. Granted it cold be as stupid as they changed it 'enough' so that AA can't make suits based on R1. Doubtful, but who knows. I work for a large company and i've seen ridiculous beyond belief changes made because of the legal department.
I'll even state that if the change is simply for change sake, then it's a poor idea. That's not going to be the case though.
99% of the viewing public won't notice a change at all. To say that a screw or rivet will ruin a movie is sad frankly. Hell, i've gone into a viewing intent on looking for stuff like that only to get into the story way early and totally forget until it's over. And i've seen it well over 100 times by now.
Again, though, i'm saying it's pretty hard to hate the change until you know why it was made. At this point NONE of us know why the change was made.
Sure, they're supposed to be like what is seen in ANH more or less. If you 30% of your audience could make that distinction, then you have a problem. If only 1% can tell, well, you did a pretty damn good job.
Lichtbringer
Master Member
Well, i discuss this cause i like Troopers, it´s just that i don´t prefer the old suits.
I will not discuss Vader, cause i care a ratsass about him or his designs. He looks always the same for me, if i even care to look at him.
