jheilman
Sr Member
You seem insistent on making negative assumptions about the person who found it. Even claiming he doused the model with Pine Sol simply because a bottle is in the background of a picture? Do you know the person?
RED ALERT Lost 3 ft TOS Enterprise found????
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The issue is that some entity has to assert legal ownership of the stolen goods. ILM probably has an excellent case for recovering the model from the buyer, as there is abundant evidence that the model was considered stolen at the time (reported to law enforcement and insurance company) and the exceptions for converting legal ownership in such cases are very limited. While the statute of limitations for criminal prosecution of the original theft has long expired, legal ownership of stolen property does not expire.
You raise an excellent point; it could very well be that the model was like this when purchased.
jheilman
Sr Member
Don't know that it was ever purchased. Didn't Paramount give it to Roddenberry? And he loaned it out to Robert April and Assoc. Then, it was gone. It certainly looks like it was dropped with the crack on the secondary hull at the dorsal connection point. When it received damage, who knows. How long was it passed around before ending up in a storage unit? We don't know much yet. Is anyone still alive who knows the answers? Maybe not.
RBJ
Sr Member
Just gonna leave this here:
The limitation period for a felony grand theft in California is usually three years from the day the crime was committed or noticed. However, with the enactment of penal code 801.5, the limitation period was shifted to four years from three years. The limitation period will be viewed as expired if, during the entire period, you have been a minor or were residing outside the state of California.
Not sure how it applies in this case but there you go
The limitation period for a felony grand theft in California is usually three years from the day the crime was committed or noticed. However, with the enactment of penal code 801.5, the limitation period was shifted to four years from three years. The limitation period will be viewed as expired if, during the entire period, you have been a minor or were residing outside the state of California.
Not sure how it applies in this case but there you go
Another article, not sure about one point in there though as we know.....
www.flyingmag.com
Original ‘Star Trek’ Model Found - FLYING Magazine
A 3-foot-long wooden model of the iconic Star Trek Starship Enterprise 1701, missing for more than 45 years, has been found.
www.flyingmag.com
jheilman
Sr Member
Found this site Burton Holmes, Extraordinary Traveler
There's a history article that details his company continued on after his death and branched out into holography. Found this snippet interesting regarding archives found in storage units.
"BHI never dissolved the California corporation founded in 1958, but simply went inactive. At times it called itself Burton Holmes International, probably during the cash-crunch years when it couldn't keep up its corporation license fees.
Hololabs, the separate company with Dave Schmidt, was dissolved in 1986. Hollingsworth, by this time living in Costa Mesa, California, died of heart failure in March, 1989. Mallett died in Newport Beach, California, in September 2000. What both of these gentlemen had been doing in the intervening years is unknown, as is the final destination of the records, scrapbooks, the archvies of BHI. If anyone can help us fill in the record it would be greatly appreciated; contact us, please.
In June of 1978, renowned cinematographer Bill Cartwright, aided by Scott Goren and Genoa Caldwell, spent many days inspecting the BHI film Archives, frame by frame, and they created a detailed log of all the films still in BHI's possession. As he put it in a letter to us, "Then in the next four years, the Burton Holmes company and the Archives fell off the radar screen. It is now a lost treasure, and there's not a hint of how such an important collection could be lost. It was too large a collection to casually dispose of, and one could not have been so unaware of its money value, even if they did not realize its historic importance. The real question is, does it still exist, and in what condition and where?"
What seems to be the major part of the film archive turned up in storage in Hollywood, in 2004. Is there more to be found? The rest of the film archive? The scrapbooks, the files? Are they lost forever? Maybe they're all just sitting in a storage locker in Pasadena, waiting for us to find them. We can hope."
There's a history article that details his company continued on after his death and branched out into holography. Found this snippet interesting regarding archives found in storage units.
"BHI never dissolved the California corporation founded in 1958, but simply went inactive. At times it called itself Burton Holmes International, probably during the cash-crunch years when it couldn't keep up its corporation license fees.
Hololabs, the separate company with Dave Schmidt, was dissolved in 1986. Hollingsworth, by this time living in Costa Mesa, California, died of heart failure in March, 1989. Mallett died in Newport Beach, California, in September 2000. What both of these gentlemen had been doing in the intervening years is unknown, as is the final destination of the records, scrapbooks, the archvies of BHI. If anyone can help us fill in the record it would be greatly appreciated; contact us, please.
In June of 1978, renowned cinematographer Bill Cartwright, aided by Scott Goren and Genoa Caldwell, spent many days inspecting the BHI film Archives, frame by frame, and they created a detailed log of all the films still in BHI's possession. As he put it in a letter to us, "Then in the next four years, the Burton Holmes company and the Archives fell off the radar screen. It is now a lost treasure, and there's not a hint of how such an important collection could be lost. It was too large a collection to casually dispose of, and one could not have been so unaware of its money value, even if they did not realize its historic importance. The real question is, does it still exist, and in what condition and where?"
What seems to be the major part of the film archive turned up in storage in Hollywood, in 2004. Is there more to be found? The rest of the film archive? The scrapbooks, the files? Are they lost forever? Maybe they're all just sitting in a storage locker in Pasadena, waiting for us to find them. We can hope."
Yeah jumping to conclusions because Pine Sol is in the photos seems a bit much.
Who stopped paying on the storage unit would be nice to know. We may never know.
I might be amused to see the authorities take it out of the hands of the manchild who bought it as he runs around the room with it, treating it like a toy.
If ILM did file an insurance claim on the item, and was made whole under the claim, the insurance carrier now has rights of recovery for the item.
Mark2000
Active Member
Lol, maybe this is why there are hologram stickers on the impulse vents and the lower saucer hatch?
jheilman
Sr Member
Who knows. At this stage, we don't know if the Burton Holmes referenced in that site is the same person linked to this storage unit. I hate waiting, but I'm hopeful that eventually a more complete story will emerge.
Aha!!!!
I do remember in 79 the AMC refit model had similar stickers called "rainbow effect". Maybe from that.
Do I know him??? NOPE. Am I making assumptions??? Yes. Just like everyone here. And after someone brought up the pine sol that is indeed what it looks like it was unsuccessfully cleaned with and I'm sticking with it for now.
jheilman
Sr Member
OK. But, we don't know that it was cleaned at all. Just seems a storage unit picker would deal a lot in old, dusty furniture, so having Pine Sol in the shop would make sense. Not that it was used on this, but whatever.
Look at the surface. It looks like there was an attempt to clean it. The top of the secondary hull would be logically the first place a person starts scrubbing. That's the only part of the ship that looks like it has had a bad attempt at a cleaning
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