RECASTER ALERT

Discussion in 'Replica Props' started by skygunbro, Jun 24, 2006.

  1. skygunbro

    skygunbro Well-Known Member

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    Whatever the bad guy gets protected once again- thanks for all the support
     
  2. GundamZeppelin

    GundamZeppelin Sr Member

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    If he was selling 2 he must have taken them down.
     
  3. skygunbro

    skygunbro Well-Known Member

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  4. GundamZeppelin

    GundamZeppelin Sr Member

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    OH. i have been wonder about those armors sorry about your rescast problem. Glad i left them be
     
  5. FETTCLONE

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    I'm sorry to hear of this. I've admired your GM helmet a few times, and it's one of the helmets that should be easy enough to scratch-build if someone wants one that badly.

    I'm also sorry to hear of the shift in shipping to Canada. :( Are there no sanctions the 501st can take? I know there aren't a lot of Canadian members, but it should be a pretty tight community then, right? Regardless, Canada is still a big place (there are 32.5 million of us) and it kind of sucks to hear that one guy over in Quebec may have ruined a few chances for us "good guys" in the rest of the country to pick up new armor sometime. :angry

    I'm not bashing, just disappointed at the fallout from the bad apple. Hopefully someone in "la belle province" can help out.
     
  6. skygunbro

    skygunbro Well-Known Member

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    <div class='quotetop'>(FETTCLONE @ Jun 24 2006, 05:49 PM) [snapback]1267358[/snapback]</div>
    Dont get me wrong Fettclone I know Canada is a huge place and Im not in anyway saying all canadiancostumers are doing this.I actually live near the canadian border and have tons of friends up there...But some armorers and I are concerned of the blatant recasting being done by a small number of them...and like I said if the good guys up there dont want to be cut off due to one or a couple scumbag no talent hacks....then they will take care of the problem internally......at least we would hope they would.
     
  7. dr_slurpee

    dr_slurpee Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I am more than a little put off by people saying "no shipping to Canada" simply because there was a Canadian recaster...there have been plenty US recasters, by the same standards should they not refuse to ship within the US as well? "One apple spoils the bunch"...give me a break...as if you can group all Canadians into one "bunch", which is what is being done, and basically saying that the actions of the few or one will set a standard for all. It's bad enough that many sellers (not pointing fingers at anyone here) use shipping to Canada or any other international destination to make a few more bucks on shipping or claiming that they need to charge extra because they have extra forms to fill out...wow, one customs sticker...so much work, but to now have people refuse to ship to Canada because they think that recasting should be dealt with by other Canadians is maddening.

    Anyway, that aside, it sucks that you've been recast regardless of what nationality they were...please don't take it out on the rest of Canada though (not aimed at you speceifically).
     
  8. Jango_Fett_Jr

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    Very mature of you, blacklist an entire country because one person from Quebec has recast some items. I'd like to know who these other prop makers you refer to are who you say plan to join you in your boycott.

    You do realize, Canada is much larger geographically than the states and our population is more spread out, so we aren't all a tight group, we happen to be one large garrison (with the exception of Alberta). A lot of us keep in contact, but we only really see people in 3 hour radius on a semi-basis. I have met the Quebec guys, but only 3-4 times in 3 years. The 501st can't do anything about recasting, as much as it sucks. But how is it "the good guys" responsibility to stop recasting in order to not be blacklisted? Seems like a pretty unfair way to deflect the responsibility of stopping recasters onto people who aren't involved.

    You said it yourself, it's from a small number of people. I don't think I'd be crazy to say more people from the states have recasted your or other people's work. Alienating an entire country is probably the worst way to try and stop a recaster. Skygunbro, I realize you are frusterated with the recast of your work and I would definitely be upset if I were in your shoes. But deciding not to ship to Canada is not a fair way to try and stop it. I have never ordered from you and I don't know that ever will have to, but if I were I don't want myself or others to be refused because someone who recast your helmet lives on my side of the border, nine hours away from me.
     
  9. skygunbro

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    <div class='quotetop'>(Jango_Fett_Jr @ Jun 24 2006, 08:11 PM) [snapback]1267437[/snapback]</div>
    Well obviousley you didnt read the post through I said not all canada....Im not going to black list canada...just the few that are causing this problem...I guess I should have been more specific....For that I appologize.....
    I realize the 501st doesnt have the time to police everything that goes on but my point was if people in the Garrison arent able to get items because of one or two people then it might be dealt with internally....
    And I agree with recasters in the USA there are plenty of them as well so I shouldnt have made such a broad statement ...anyway I hope you now understand what I was trying to say.
     
  10. Jango_Fett_Jr

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    You told me in your email:
    "And as a result of this and all the other peoples stuff he's copied ..myself and a few other prop makers are no longer selling or shipping anything to Canada...like the old saying one apple ruins the bunch....."

    I don't know if you weren't being specific or changing your decision. I personally don't appreciate threats of such sort, I really wish you could be more specific when you say some other prop makers.

    David has recast several parts to my knowledge, but that knowledge is very limited due to his proximity and the fact that I've hardly even met the guy. The fact that he has a 501st ID doesn't give us any right to tell him what to do with the props and costumes he buys and subsequently recasts. If recasting were an issue for the 501st, I bet the majority of the group would be booted for wearing armour that was recast one way or another. I am only the membership and web liason for Canada, so I didn't participate in the discussions about our stance on recasting, so hopefully someone who knows more can chime in.

    The rest of my arguement still stands though, if you're boycotting Quebec or all of Canada, you're still treating all the "good guys" unfairly when they aren't even involved by putting the responsibility on us to stop him. Again, I do realize this sucks for you and I'm not a fan of recasting, but there is little the 501st can do about it. I understand what you are trying to say and I really hope I'm not coming off angry at you, I am sympathetic with your cause, but at the same time frusterated that some people may suffer because of one person's actions.
     
  11. fettswatcop

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    <div class='quotetop'>(Jango_Fett_Jr @ Jun 24 2006, 03:11 PM) [snapback]1267437[/snapback]</div>
    I have ordered several times from Sky, and he is the most stand up guy I know. I back ya Sky if you dont ship North.
     
  12. skygunbro

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  13. Lynn TXP 0369

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    <div class='quotetop'>(skygunbro @ Jun 24 2006, 04:25 PM) [snapback]1267443[/snapback]</div>
    Unfortunatly it did sound pretty bad and that would be the exact same thing as saying your not going to ship to anyone in SOCA because you found out someone was recasting your stuff in that area of Cailifornia.

    The logic dosn't make any sence and it is no differnt.

    My 2 cents,

    Lynn
     
  14. skygunbro

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    <div class='quotetop'>(Lynn TXP 0369 @ Jun 24 2006, 09:53 PM) [snapback]1267479[/snapback]</div>
    Unfortunatly it did sound pretty bad as that would be the exact same thing as saying your not going to ship to anyone SOCA because you found out someone was recasting your stuff in that area of Cailifornia.

    It dosn't make any sence and it is no differnt.

    My 2 cents,

    Lynn
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    Ya know what Im the one that got ripped off here not Girard so if you want to defend a recaster by all means go ahead......just like you have the right not to buy form someone I have the right not to sell to certain people.....nuff said
     
  15. Lynn TXP 0369

    Lynn TXP 0369 Sr Member

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    I'm not defending anyone, your logic is like saying that your not going to sell anything to the city or state that Chaucer44 lives in because he recast stuff, it dosn't make any sence.

    Lynn
     
  16. skygunbro

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    <div class='quotetop'>(Lynn TXP 0369 @ Jun 24 2006, 09:59 PM) [snapback]1267484[/snapback]</div>
    How many times do I need to regurgitate this.....I originally said that... and yes it doesnt make sense...thats why I reverted my postion and basically said that I wouldnt sell to him or known associates of his.....anyway Im over this ....should have never said anything cause obviously no one cares .......
     
  17. ReelManiac

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    Maybe it's the overall attitude of "there's nothing we can do about it" and "it's not my problem" that turns people off to shipping to Canada. It doesn't give a person much sense of security of stopping the problem from running rampant, when the only thing that seems to be of importance is what's "unfair" to them. Try being a little more supportive. Coming up with one possible way to help is better than coming up with a dozen reasons why you can't, or spending all your time and energy making comparisons and explanations of why it's unfair to you.
     
  18. FETTCLONE

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    Looks like a can of worms opened up here after I posted. My apologies if it seems I don't care about the central issue (your helmet being recast), this was never the case.

    Thanks for clarifying your position, Skygun. What was done is wrong, and I don't think anyone should be buying anything this guy may have to sell for some time, recast or not, to get the point across.

    Bottom line, it's wrong that this guy has stolen your hard work and time. You made the effort and took the time to take something visual and make it a three-dimensional work of art. No-one has any right to benefit from this but you. You paid for materials and took time out from your life to make this piece, and that should always be commended. I certainly respect you for it. I know I'd be upset if it was my own work too, and I think you're fully justified about how you feel. If there's anything I can do from here please feel free to let me know. Personally, I don't think it's a case of "no-one cares or is willing to do anything". If it is, I'm disappointed, too.

    Thanks for letting the rest of us know about this as well. Now we all know what to expect in dealing with this individual, which is good for all of us. :)
     
  19. JediCarl

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    "Blame Canada. Blame Canada." Sorry... had to. :lol

    Anyway, I back you on this Sky 100%. You are a talented prop maker and a very honest person. It's unfortunate that you've had to take this step and even more unfortunate that people are giving you grief over it. :unsure

    Listen up, Canucks... I understand your frustration with Sky's decision and others who have done the same. But the simple fact of the matter is that he has a right to refuse to offer product to ANYONE ANYWHERE. He's the creator and the maker of these items. If he decided he wanted to refuse to ship something to anyone named "Larry" or anyone with blue eye it's his God-given right. Pretty simple, really.

    Besides, he has already sufficiently given his reasons. Lay off.
     
  20. CMANavy

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    Let's see we caught him recasting Glovers armor and TC9948's helmet last December. I wonder who's snowtrooper armor he recasted to get the armor for the kit?
     
  21. madphisto

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    Though I know how frustrating creators of a piece of art feel being victim to copying
    I still think an embargo is no adequate solution to prevent or ban unauthorized replication.
    Actually it bears unwanted side effects.

    1.
    The current recast gets its own uncontested market in canada due to the imposed "blockade".
    People in Canada can't buy the original anymore so they are forced to go with the recast
    even if they were likely to support the original creator.

    2.
    It just takes a good friend somewhere else to surpass the "blockade".
    Result see (1)


    I think recasting is something that cannot be prevented other than just not letting
    any copy of your work go anywhere.
    Even the best buddy has a next best buddy who might pursuade him to allow "one single" copy.
    But for the costuming fans not being gifted with the ability to create such things
    a collective punishment would be a sad consequence.
    I think public announcement to alert the idealists and moderate pricing are
    the only reasonable measures left.
     
  22. Coinprop

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    Blame Canada..

    (Sorry, I had to :) )
     
  23. FETTCLONE

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    Hey guys, remember the part where Skygun said: <div class='quotetop'></div>
    Though Madphisto raises some valid points I think this particular horse has been flogged enough. What we need more of is support aginst the recasting, not the blame-game. :confused
     
  24. Too Much Garlic

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    I have black-listed this dude. I guess that's pretty much all I can do: not buy from him and not selling anything to him.

    Sorry to hear you were recast Skygunbro. Hope this person won't be able to sell one single piece.
     
  25. skygunbro

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    Look I want to just say that when I found out about this I was very annoyed to say the least...and posted without thinking through what I was saying......
    Like I said ,yes to black ball a whole country or state because one or a couple people there are recasters is a dumb statement and I admit that..But you have to remember when your angry about something sometimes logic takes a back seat to what is actually said....
    Anyway thanks to all who looked beyond the original statements made and sympathized with the real issue the recasting...
    I realize the only fool proof way not to have your stuff copied is not to sell it....My point of this is to out this guy once again as he has been caught several other times recasting peoples things and no one seems to do anything....but what can be done ?
    I think at the Garrison level something should be done and last I knew the garrisons can and have the power to deal with these kind of issues.....

    And lastly to the people that went out of their way to question the logic of my statements instead of recognizing the real problem and point of the thread the recasting :thumbsdown

    This place has become very cliquey and I find it funny when certain people on here cry recast alot of people support that person but if your not in the "Clique" then your logic is questioned and I was made to feel like I did something wrong. :eek:
     
  26. Lord_Gita

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    I feel the need to point out that while it may be a questionable business decision to rule out an entire geographic locale because of 1 or 2 bad eggs, it is still the business's decision. I have seen it done the same with Florida and our record of recasters and frankly I can understand that. There are people I have refused to sell to because of their associates activities.

    While we'd all love to say there is no correlation between the people and their geographic location that simply isn't true. Any recaster in question is more likely to have friends locally that buy the piece and then take it to be recast. It's similar to saying you're a friend of Recaster A so I am not going to sell to you.

    And saying that Canada is bigger is not necessarily excuse enough. Distance is relative to willingness to travel that distance. Florida is smaller, but I haven't met most of the current 501st people anywhere in Florida. There are prop people that live within minutes of me that I haven't seen in years and I don't care to and there are people I travel cross country to see.

    If the goal is solely to not be recast then you do what it takes to ensure that as best as possible. And if that means some possible customers are offended, that's the cost of that business decision and they'll have to deal with the consequences publically and fiscally. And in turn, just because you are offended by a business decision doesn't mean the business made the wrong decision.

    Do I personally think it's a smart decision? In this case, no. But, it is still the businessman's perogative.

    And btw, that's a personal opinion and not an RPF declaration... :)
     
  27. TR-0773

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    Agreed this topic has been handed over to the legion council for debate. I have edited my post to avoid unnecessary further debate here.

    Cordially yours,

    Randy TR-0773
     
  28. CMANavy

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    I belive this entire issue has been handed over Legion Command staff due to another email from the responible partiies that was rather different in nature.
     
  29. Lord_Gita

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    <div class='quotetop'>(CMANavy @ Jul 3 2006, 07:18 AM) [snapback]1272997[/snapback]</div>
    Again, a personal opinion, not a statement of RPF policy.

    Having read the original post, that has now been removed by the author, I sincerely hope the Legion Council sees fit to comment and add to that decision. To be honest, if I recieved that response or the other one I'd publically campaign for the boycott of the Canadian garrison also.
     

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