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TND is one of my favorites except for right when Bond teams up with Wai Lin. I love the premise, love the villain, and right up to that moment it's perfect. And it picks up again, and I like the ending.

But:

1) I hate how they handle the Wai Lin splitting scene. "I work alone" and she leaves Bond (Ok fine).

Bond then watches as a group of goons arrive. Instead of running in behind them to warn or save her. He walks at what can only be described as a snails pace, to punch the two men waiting outside: One guy, a spotter, who points to where Wai Lin walked in, and another guy just standing out there guarding.

We KNOW the film reasons were to give the audience a "cool" Wai Lin kicks butt scene and make it seem Bond had something to do in the meantime, but I always felt the execution fell short.

The only thing I can think of, practically speaking, for knocking out those guys would be to ensure they didn't call backup, thus outnumbering them further. That would be a good reason. He takes them out, then walks to her aid when the men inside are the only threat.

But sheesh. Why walk so slowly. An answer might be to not tip off the men so he can reach them without arising suspicion or alerting them of his plans to sock them.

Obviously It behooves Bond to rescue Wai Lin as he clearly wishes to work with her, and I also think his sense of professional courtesy would cause him to do so as well. But his walking so slowly just ruins it without some thinking to reconcile it.

2) I never bought the chemistry between Bond and Wai Lin. She is serious about her work and a good ally, but the romance seemed way forced and unnecessary in this case. It doesn't seem to progress the mission as some of the other Bond dalliances.
 
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Technically we only see them kiss but Bond gives his "let's stay undercover" line (sure it is so easy to get rescued in the South China sea once the ships leave) :lol.

Also odd the M. Bedford reports to MI6 that Bond made it when they have no idea there whereabouts two seconds later.
 
Wai Lin was a completely horrible "Bond girl" and utterly incompetent.

If she wasn't a spy in her own right she would have been tolerable but she's supposed to be a pro and she does nothing but cause problems and added difficulty in every scene she's in. All to capitalize on the martial arts craze at the time. Terrible.

Also, sorry, but she's a terrible actress (in this film at least). NO chemistry between them and every line out of her is flat.

TND had a lot of potential. I love the henchmen, the gadgets are cool, Brosnan is good, the pre-credits are probably my favourite of any Bond flick... But the villain is forgettable, the supporting cast is weak save a few, the story isn't great, there's no chemistry between the leads.

A very disappointing film for what it could have been. Still Brosnan's second best though.
 
But sheesh. Why walk so slowly. An answer might be to not tip off the men so he can reach them without arising suspicion or alerting them of his plans to sock them.

Obviously It behooves Bond to rescue Wai Lin as he clearly wishes to work with her, and I also think his sense of professional courtesy would cause him to do so as well. But his walking so slowly just ruins it without some thinking to reconcile it.

I always figured it was a bit of a "let her work up a sweat" time as punishment for leaving. If she takes a few hits all the better.

He figures she can handle them. Although nothing prior in the film would suggest that...
 
I just saw several Bond's movies lately.

TND is my favorite Brosnan, since, to me, the villain is more "realistic".
Media can be twisted these days to get ratings and all, so this was done in villain's global scale (in the edge of creating WW3).
PPK was replaced by P99.

Yesterday I saw TSWLM (by best Moore, IMO), and I saw very much resemblance of the story. I almost going to say that TND is TSWLM "reboot".
Trusty PPK was jammed in this movie (never happened before?).

In comparison, Anya is better than Wai Lin in terms of showing spy skills, knowledge, deception and skin :love. On the other hand, Wai Lin is better in martial arts and flexibilty.

I agreed that Wai Lin's romance was just there for the sake of Bond movies. Unlike Anya, where Bond have "to keep the Biritsh end up".
 
I just saw several Bond's movies lately.

TND is my favorite Brosnan, since, to me, the villain is more "realistic".
Media can be twisted these days to get ratings and all, so this was done in villain's global scale (in the edge of creating WW3).
PPK was replaced by P99.

Yesterday I saw TSWLM (by best Moore, IMO), and I saw very much resemblance of the story. I almost going to say that TND is TSWLM "reboot".
Trusty PPK was jammed in this movie (never happened before?).

In comparison, Anya is better than Wai Lin in terms of showing spy skills, knowledge, deception and skin :love. On the other hand, Wai Lin is better in martial arts and flexibilty.

I agreed that Wai Lin's romance was just there for the sake of Bond movies. Unlike Anya, where Bond have "to keep the Biritsh end up".

Great points.
 
... Yesterday I saw TSWLM (by best Moore, IMO), and I saw very much resemblance of the story. I almost going to say that TND is TSWLM "reboot".

I'll be damned. Never thought of this before. But then, don't like either, in fact after GOLDENEYE (such a great teaser trailer on my FRWL VHS) I only caught the Brosnan Bonds on home video.

I'll have to see TMWTGG again... in memory, it seems like a winning Moore outing: he's not grandpa yet, does some strenuous detecting and derring-do, has a flawed, glamorous female (I'd rewrite it with her surviving to the end, making for tenuous allegiances a la FRWL's climax), an intriguing villain and a " henchman " against type, nice locales, oh and J. W. Pepper just for goofy fun. Humour wasnt out of hand. And for my money a killer Barry score even if he disliked it. Mary Goodnight ruins it for me, though; Bond is not strengthened when saddled with a stereotyped "dumb blonde morsel."

"Just goes to proves that nobody's indestructible...."

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I'll have to see TMWTGG again... in memory, it seems like a winning Moore outing: he's not grandpa yet, does some strenuous detecting and derring-do, has a flawed, glamorous female (I'd rewrite it with her surviving to the end, making for tenuous allegiances a la FRWL's climax), an intriguing villain and a " henchman " against type, nice locales, oh and J. W. Pepper just for goofy fun. Humour wasnt out of hand. And for my money a killer Barry score even if he disliked it. Mary Goodnight ruins it for me, though; Bond is not strengthened when saddled with a stereotyped "dumb blonde morsel."

"Just goes to proves that nobody's indestructible...."

I did enjoy TMWTGG but mostly on it's concept, it's Bond vs. Bond. Maybe what ruins it for me (aside from Goodnight... UGH) is how good it SHOULD have been vs. what it was.
 
TMWTGG was a little too silly for me. True the concept was good, Scaramanga was a good rival for Bond.

I agree, Goodnight, very silly, but man, the way she looks in that bikini at the end. Whoa boy.
 
I not really keen on any of the Moore Bonds to be honest. I found them all a little silly.
 
I haven't seen or enjoyed THUNDERBALL in quite a while, so snagging a BD copy for $9 at Target tonight was too tempting. Great extras on the disc (Ken Adam's home movies are priceless, as is the Ford Motor Co of UK's little promo flick).

I never really liked the ease with which OO7 accomplishes things (meeting Domino 15 secs after after leaving London, WTH), and everything he gets done during Junkadoo before dawn,... But i gained a new enjoyment of it. Mlle. Auger's black peekaboo swimsuit, of course. Largo's coldness, casual sadism, and directness with Bond. Great Barry score. Wonderful use of Technicolor + widescreen aspect. Connery face to face with a shark (Ken Adam: "I've never seen someone exit a pool that quickly, before or since" ). Molly Peters, what a doll. Jet packs (aero and underwater) didn't diminish my appreciation on this viewing. Thank you, Terence Young. :cool:

Wardrobe question. Everyone knows the old Rolex 6538 or so is on Connery's wrist a lot, on that same 16mm GOLDFINGER nylon strap. But while checking out the downed jet, when he (or stunt/dive double) removes Duval's tags and watch from Angelo's corpse, in one shot it clearly looks like a full-width strap (20mm). Nylon, rubber, Tropic? I cant tell. Any conjecture?




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I haven't seen or enjoyed THUNDERBALL in quite a while, so snagging a BD copy for $9 at Target tonight was too tempting. Great extras on the disc (Ken Adam's home movies are priceless, as is the Ford Motor Co of UK's little promo flick).

I never really liked the ease with which OO7 accomplishes things (meeting Domino 15 secs after after leaving London, WTH), and everything he gets done during Junkadoo before dawn,... But i gained a new enjoyment of it. Mlle. Auger's black peekaboo swimsuit, of course. Largo's coldness, casual sadism, and directness with Bond. Great Barry score. Wonderful use of Technicolor + widescreen aspect. Connery face to face with a shark (Ken Adam: "I've never seen someone exit a pool that quickly, before or since" ). Molly Peters, what a doll. Jet packs (aero and underwater) didn't diminish my appreciation on this viewing. Thank you, Terence Young. :cool:

Thunderball is one that I've grown to love over the years. The pacing can be a little off at times but overall it's a great film. And you're right, Ken Adam is an absolute gem. :lol

Wardrobe question. Everyone knows the old Rolex 6538 or so is on Connery's wrist a lot, on that same 16mm GOLDFINGER nylon strap. But while checking out the downed jet, when he (or stunt/dive double) removes Duval's tags and watch from Angelo's corpse, in one shot it clearly looks like a full-width strap (20mm). Nylon, rubber, Tropic? I cant tell. Any conjecture?

It's a stunt watch. Pretty sure that they thought nobody would notice. :)
 
Sure looks like the Rolex to me.... :what

It's "A" Rolex yes, but not "The" Rolex. ;)

Stunt watch. They used a different one for that scene for a couple reasons:

A: The one on Connery's wrist on land needs to be pristine all the time so why risk damaging it underwater. IIRC at this point they were still using Cubby's personal watch (although that may have only been the first couple films, don't remember).

B: It's the B Unit Crew. They have all the stunt stuff and no access to the "A" props unless needed.
 
Oh no, I ended up with two !!
Apart from the cool concealed PPK, I like P99, its radical design and its functionality.
Considering nowadays firepower, seems PPK should be considered as secondary.

P99 is a great handgun... But completely defeats the true essence of what Bond's weapon should be. Using a gun at all is secondary to his role as a spy. The PPK is a backup for when things fail or get messy (which they often do).

The point of Bond's gun is that he can conceal it under his tux. Originally he was only packing a .25.
 
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