Master Dahark
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Is Bond not 'professional' ? :confused
Questions About Bond Films that You Have been Afraid to Ask SPOILERS
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Definition of professional:
Following an occupation as a means of livelihood or for gain.
Bond makes his living with this job. Therefore he is a professional. Dictionary is your friend...
Oh, it's bad... :lol
Wrong picture of Palluzi. She's a firebrand with her hair down... :love
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Careful, there are 14 original Fleming novels and they're VERY good... Read one and you've signed up for the lot.
Again, he outright quit his assignment and went into hiding from everybody. Is Bond aware that there is such a thing a temporary leave? He has been granted that in his previous movies. Also, I may be mistaken, but I'm sure that doctors can remove shrapnel with much better precision than using a knife on yourself while standing in front of a mirror. There's professional, and than there's dumb attempts to look bada** for no reason.
Master Dahark
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Solo4114
Master Member
You really love to argue, don't you?
Good God you can't possibly be this thick in real life???
He left because of trust and abandonment issues. Wouldn't have been a good movie without it. However, much to your delight while he was away he was no longer a "professional".
And in previous movies he has tried to quit, even outright ran away while MI6 was shooting at him. Your point?
:lol Really? You're using this as the crux of your argument? Professionals do dumb things all the time. Professional isn't how you act, it's whether or not you get paid for it.
James Bond is, and always has been, a professional. He has a license to kill. He is a "00" the very requirement being two kills in the service of the government.
Bond is Bond because he's an unorthodox bas****. If he did everything by the book there wouldn't be a character. It's very clear that you didn't like Skyfall, that's totally fine. But stop trying to change the character.
FACT - Bond is a professional killer
FACT - Bond doesn't have much respect for most women
FACT - Bond doesn't have much respect for most men
FACT - Bond is frequently a jerk
FACT - The only people Bond sees as even remote equals is M and Felix.
FACT - Bond doesn't do what he's told... Often.
If you have issue with that character than the Bond movies aren't for you. Stop trolling.
He left because of trust and abandonment issues. Wouldn't have been a good movie without it. However, much to your delight while he was away he was no longer a "professional".
And in previous movies he has tried to quit, even outright ran away while MI6 was shooting at him. Your point?
:lol Really? You're using this as the crux of your argument? Professionals do dumb things all the time. Professional isn't how you act, it's whether or not you get paid for it.
James Bond is, and always has been, a professional. He has a license to kill. He is a "00" the very requirement being two kills in the service of the government.
Bond is Bond because he's an unorthodox bas****. If he did everything by the book there wouldn't be a character. It's very clear that you didn't like Skyfall, that's totally fine. But stop trying to change the character.
FACT - Bond is a professional killer
FACT - Bond doesn't have much respect for most women
FACT - Bond doesn't have much respect for most men
FACT - Bond is frequently a jerk
FACT - The only people Bond sees as even remote equals is M and Felix.
FACT - Bond doesn't do what he's told... Often.
If you have issue with that character than the Bond movies aren't for you. Stop trolling.
Finally took a look at this and it's FULL of errors and omissions. For shame...
Solo4114
Master Member
OT: Dan is your avatar from MRSG2W?
Mine? No, it's from To Kill a Mockingbird. Larry said it was how he viewed me, ages ago, so I figured what the hell and went with it. My usual Han Solo avatar is being used by someone else, so I figure I'll just stick with this. Plus there's worse things than being thought of like Gregory Peck.
KojiroVance
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Re: Re: Questions About Bond Films that You Have been Afraid to Ask SPOILERS
Yep. There's another of those about "all of Bonds lovers" that's worse.
Hard to check these things back in the day, but with DVDs and BDs, there's no excuse.
BTW, I don't know if M's ever been an "equal."
80s version? Ornella Muti... Total, industrial strength hottie. Should've been a Bond girl, someone asleep at the wheel on that one.
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Yep. There's another of those about "all of Bonds lovers" that's worse.
Hard to check these things back in the day, but with DVDs and BDs, there's no excuse.
BTW, I don't know if M's ever been an "equal."
That's why we call him M!:lol on another note Netflix sent Flash Gordon instead of Goldfinger:cry
80s version? Ornella Muti... Total, industrial strength hottie. Should've been a Bond girl, someone asleep at the wheel on that one.
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Here's an idea that you probably haven't thought of Michael. Maybe instead of saying that Bond isn't for me, you could conclude that 'this particular Bond' isn't for me. Not all Bonds are alike. Some are more professional, caring and cold hearted than others. Some movies will even change how the character acts from movie to movie. If Bond was an absolute character as you like to imply, why do some fans prefer one Bond over the other? When people talk about their favorite Bonds, it's not always limited to the actor who's playing them. Like my personal favorite Bond is the one from The Living Daylights. Dalton was excellent and his Bond was awesome, but I can't say the same for Licence to Kill. Same goes for everyone else. Some prefer Moore's sillier Bond over his more serious take, and some would even prefer Brosnan's Bond over Craig's Bond.
And who cares if it's more or less true to Flemming's original Bond? Flemming's Bond is just another version of the character like everyone else. Some like Bond when he's more like the one from Flemming's books, other don't. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
So there you go. I don't like Skyfall's Bond, but I do love Bond (even Craig's) in other stuff.
I'd say that he treats him/her that way for the most part. Equal may not be the best word but certainly M is one of a select few that Bond respects.
Actually I did think of phrasing it that way... And then I thought better of it because it's not true.
Never once did I say that all Bonds are alike. They DO however all exhibit the traits I listed. Let me repeat them for you:
FACT - Bond is a professional killer
FACT - Bond doesn't have much respect for most women
FACT - Bond doesn't have much respect for most men
FACT - Bond is frequently a jerk
FACT - The only people Bond sees as even remote equals is M and Felix.
FACT - Bond doesn't do what he's told... Often.
Is this untrue about any Bond in any film or book? No. They are character traits that are there in every portrayal.
Knowing your MO I would guess that's because you see him as being respectful to women in TLD. Open your eyes, from the very first moment he uses her and continues to use her throughout the entire film. She's so stereotypically the "dumb damsel" that she enjoys it with a smile.
Yep, and guess what, they still exhibit all of the traits on my list.
Who exhibits all of the traits on my list... (see the repetition here?)
Nope, nothing wrong with that. However since every portrayal is a version of THAT Bond they all exhibit the same traits (seriously, I should start copying and pasting that line...). That's what makes the character BOND and not Bourne or some other pretender. Therefore, you have an issue with the character.
Because for some reason you're able to ignore the character in other films. I maintain that you have a disdain for the character and feel the need to rant about the primary aspects of him at every opportunity.
You say you liked CR... Didn't see any tears from Bond when the girl was found in the hammock... Not even a face of recognition.
So. PLEASE. Think of this when you voice your opinion which you are of course perfectly free to do:
JAMES BOND DOES NOT RESPECT WOMEN. THAT IS A PIVOTAL PART OF HIS CHARACTER.
They are either used, conquests, or potential conquests.
It is clear that you don't like that aspect of the character and yes, certain films show it more than others but it's there in every film. The real point is that you take every opportunity to say the exact same thing and it's getting REALLY old. Old here, old in the ST threads, old in the SW threads. You're like a dog with a bone. Just let it go.
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From Quantum of Solace
I'm really not getting the "DOES NOT RESPECT WOMEN" vibe there.
Oh he does have some respect for dead women. Not so much when she was alive though.
Abbreviated version:
Fields - "M says I'm supposed to send you back"
Bond - "Just do what I say lady"
Fields - (rolls eyes) "Oh okay then"
cut to:
Fields - "This is where we're staying"
Bond - "No we're not"
Fields - (rolls eyes) "Oh okay then"
cut to:
Fields - "This doesn't match our cover story"
Bond - "Sush, it's fine"
Fields - (rolls eyes) "Oh okay then"
BOND USED HER. She was an agent so he made note of her to M. While she was alive he didn't listen to her, didn't respect her, and then had his way with her.
Yep, LOADS of respect.
See? I can convince you of something. Plus, Bond didn't have respect for her dying but actually helping in Bond's mission to find out who was trying to kill M.
So why respect her after she died if you like it when Bond doesn't respect anyone after they die?
Nonsense. I said "some" and to be honest the better word would be guilt. He DID NOT respect her while she was alive and that's when to do it. Some guilt there? Sure.
All you're doing is pointing out that I used the wrong word. Guilt is the word, not respect.
As for avoiding the multiple clear examples I gave of him NOT respecting her at all you can just continue with your straw man.
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