QMx plans 34" studio scale Abrams Enterprise from new Star Trek

[Jet Beetle]

What are we going off of that says Starfleet would re-do their ships because one ship was attacked by a Romulan ship that was never seen again. If that be the case then why wasn't everyone briefed or readied at the first sign of lightning storms in space? Kirk was the only one who even made the connection to an event that supposedly caused a significant rethinking of military might. This makes no sense.

And I'm with you on the size issue Winston - I thought this ship was supposed to be the same size as TOS Enterprise and still do. I guess we'll know more in the sequel when we have other ships (Klingons) to compare it to.

 

[Drakonnen]

What are we going off of that says Starfleet would re-do their ships because one ship was attacked by a Romulan ship that was never seen again. If that be the case then why wasn't everyone briefed or readied at the first sign of lightning storms in space? Kirk was the only one who even made the connection to an event that supposedly caused a significant rethinking of military might. This makes no sense.

And I'm with you on the size issue Winston - I thought this ship was supposed to be the same size as TOS Enterprise and still do. I guess we'll know more in the sequel when we have other ships (Klingons) to compare it to.

Knowing that certain technology exists, even if you don't yet know how it works, has been well documented as spurring rival cultures to accelerate their military development.

Plus the story is that the scans of the Narada allowed Star Fleet to reverse-engineer certain technology advances to their own weapons and ships, not that they were doing so to counter a threat from the Narada itself.

 

[Drakonnen]

Also, is it me, or do the nacelles on the pictures from the QMx site look like they are tilted too far backwards compared to other shots and sketches of the Enterprise like this?

the straight line on the nacelles usually seems to run parallel with the saucer or even slightly upwards from front to back, while on the QMx model it looks oddly tilted backwards.

 

[WinstonWolf359]

And I'm with you on the size issue Winston - I thought this ship was supposed to be the same size as TOS Enterprise and still do. I guess we'll know more in the sequel when we have other ships (Klingons) to compare it to.

Actually, I'm one of the ones that totally buys the whole 2300 feet long thing... but thanks for the vote of confidence anyway. :$

However, I'm beginning to see there is a descrepancy between certain parts of the ship in regards to scale. I still think that shuttlebay could only exist on a BIG ship, and that tiny bridge window on the model also makes me think BIG again, but not AS big. The docking ports on the neck and side of the engineering hull imply much smaller though, like the comparison Bryancd posted above.

I think where I'm really at right now is I'm okay with the ship being big, even 2500 feet big, but if it ends up being closer to 1500, I could believe that too. I do get the sense from watching the movie is that this ship is bigger than the TOS/Refit, it's the question of just HOW much bigger that CLEARLY needs some work. What I think needs to happen is the designers need to go back and tweak at least a couple of those details that are out of scale with each other (shuttlebay/docking ports/bridge window...etc.) to get the whole ship internally consistant.

 

[WinstonWolf359]

Also, is it me, or do the nacelles on the pictures from the QMx site look like they are tilted too far backwards compared to other shots and sketches of the Enterprise like this?

the straight line on the nacelles usually seems to run parallel with the saucer or even slightly upwards from front to back, while on the QMx model it looks oddly tilted backwards.

You mean like this one? That downward tilt is harder to see in some pictures, but seems pretty obvious in this one. It could be perspective, it could be the drawing above is wrong, it could be there's a difference in the reference material used to create the QMX model from the drawing.

Of course, it's hard to tell when compared with the film model, since there aren't any straight on side view beauty shots to be seen.

 

[Drakonnen]

You mean like this one? That downward tilt is harder to see in some pictures, but seems pretty obvious in this one. It could be perspective, it could be the drawing above is wrong, it could be there's a difference in the reference material used to create the QMX model from the drawing.

Of course, it's hard to tell when compared with the film model, since there aren't any straight on side view beauty shots to be seen.

There is one when the Enterprise does a barrel roll in the Vulcan debris field. I'll see if I can dig up a shot of it.

 

[Drakonnen]

Another thing I notice from the pictures they have up is that they didn't include the lights along the nacelle ram scoops, which to me is one of the most intersting parts of the design.

 

[CTF]

I picked on Star Wars (probably unfairly) because I have always been bugged by what appear to be inconsistencies or lapses in science-fictional logic.

Lucky that STAR WARS isn't sci-fi, huh?

:love

 

[GeneralFROSTY]

I think the tilting backwards of the Qmx model is a result of modeling physics - perhaps this 'prototype' model needs more work to keep those engines parallel - just a thought.

 

[Onigiri]

According to an interview with ILM in the latest Cinefex issue the new Enterprise was DESIGNED and RENDERED to be 1200 feet long or "slightly larger then the TOS Enterprise". Subsequent INTERNAL decisions prompted the 'revised' scales posted by 'official sources' AFTER the movie was released. All this BS about it always being INTENDED to be 2500 feet long is just that...revisionist BS.
Also, the licensees were told when they were getting their licenses (and it even said this on some of the prototype packaging) that the 'E' at 11 inches was 1/1000th scale and the 34" was understood to be roughly 1/350th and designed to compliment the MR CLASSIC E.
All of this retroactive resizing is nothing more then the fans having a better attention to detail then the creators.

 

[tripoli]

"All of this retroactive resizing is nothing more then the fans having a better attention to detail then the creators.

After all the TOS blueprints, heavier than Galaxy Quest minute fan analysis of all the franchises technical drawings and such ever produced, what the heck did they expect? Sounds like this shows designers got lazy. From this franchise, they have to expect it, it will go not into just the mythos but far larger, the marketing and selling of the franchise material. Yeesh, they should know better than to just estimimate and wing it on this.

 

[Wolvster1]

The one group of folks I would NEVER blame on this
is the ILM gang...

I know many here understand CGI, and in the CGI
world you NEED to have a SOLID set of numbers to
work with when all these differnt objects on screen are interacting
with each other..

Otherwise it's CHAOS for the animators !

If anyone " fudged " anything I'd say it was
the MIDDLEMEN or whatever you wanna' call
them ?

I know on different Boards allot of guys
are bashing the FX guys for this discrepancy.

I don't believe for 1 sec that ILM DIDN'T
have a size for the E set in stone !

:love

 

[JBReplicas]

I'm really not buying the whole 'Kelvin encounters superior ship so therefore starships are made bigger' theory, to start with there were over 800 survivors from the Kelvin, meaning it was already a large (huge) ship, there is nothing to suggest starfleet made all their ships bigger as a result of this encounter, you may as well say after the 1701-d encountered the borg that they should've made all ships bigger/tougher to cope with just the borg, obviously they didn't as they were still floating around in Excelsior class ships by the time of 'the best of both worlds'

 

[Carson Dyle]

Quoting ILM Art Director Alex Jaeger from the Cinefex article....

"The reconfigured ship was a larger vessel than previous manifestations-- approximately 1,200-feet-long compared to the 947-foot ship of the original series. Once we got the ship built and started putting it in environments it felt too small. The shuttle bay gave us a clear relative scale -- shuttles initially appeared much bigger than we had imagined -- so we bumped up the Enterprise scale, which gave her a grander feel and allowed us to include more detail."

I'm not particularly interested in assigning blame one way or another, but this business about the shuttles initially appearing bigger "than we had imagined" is more than a little confusing. Suffice it to say there's no way the Enterprise could berth and service the number of shuttles required by the story without being somewhere in the 2,000-foot-long range. My guess is that the designers were originally operating under the premise that the Enterprise would carry significantly fewer shuttles, thus the smaller bay requirements.

Given Jaeger's comments I wouldn't be surprised to learn that when ILM executed the early shots of the ship under construction (i.e. those shots required for inclusion in the teaser trailer but which do not appear in the film) they were working off the "1,200" number, which is why the construction crewmen appear so large in relation to the hull.

I can tell you that one of the last FX shots to have made its way into the film is the one showing the Academy shuttles on final approach to E's ginormous hangar.

Ah, well... if a legendary perfectionist like Stanley Kubrick couldn't get the inside of the Discovery to fit (and it doesn't) we shouldn't expect JJ Abrams to fare any better.