PropShop announces TFA Props!

[cboath]

Well, EFx did post and apparently the still have the prop license going forward as well, so this is supposedly a new class/level of collectible. Perhaps they noticed runs here that are cast from originals, etc, those tend to have a higher price than the things people simply replicate. In those cases it took lots of research (sometimes years) and searching to find originals and then restore them/get them ready to make new items.

Not really sure, just stating that they're saying it's a new level of collectible and not replacing the levels we already had.

 

[craigjohn]

There is a lot of misinformation and assumptions in this thread! In addition to the very helpful post a few above here:

• Disney is not charging $3500 for a melted Vader helmet; Propshop is.
• Disney would not have compelled Propshop to do these props.
• Disney has already made their money, in a one-time deal selling Propshop a license to produce and sell these items.
• The cost of these items is not due to the production process - it's that aforementioned license and a short run. The license would be very expensive, and if you're only going to make 500 Vader helmets, the cost of that license is not spread out very far. Compare that to Anovos, doing a wider high-quality run of props or Hasbro, producing tens of thousands of retail items, and you'll see a correlation in the scale. The license is the most significant cost going into these Propshop items, I'm sure.
• Just because they 3D print the masters for these replica helmets doesn't mean the end product is 3D printed. It would be a crazy amount of work to finish each one and impossible to do make the run appear perfectly consistent. That work could be done just once and then replicated through molding and casting, and I have to believe they're producing them this way.
• We know that the film's production did buy several original Graflex 3-cells (from an RPF member, no less!) for the hero sabers, but Propshop created many stunts. I wonder how similar this is to what they produced, or if they tried to make something closer to the hero prop.

The premier line of the Anovos helmet is already sold out. Has anyone verified these were produced in the thousands? I'd venture the run was in the hundreds.

http://www.anovos.com/collections/s...e-awakens-kylo-ren-helmet-accessory-pre-order


There are also items on the PropShop which don't list limited runs (aka, the Kylo Ren helmet).

https://collectibles.starwars.com/prop-replicas/kylo-ren-helmet/

The only two limited runs are the Vader Melt (sounds like a sandwich) and the FN-2187. Everything else is open ended. They can make 10's of thousands of they wish and if enough people are willing to purchase them at these prices.

 

[Psab keel]

I'd always heard that 3D printed items were more susceptible to breaking down easier that other types of plastic. Not that I would have even considered purchasing any of these items from Propshop, but still. That's a LOT of money to spend on an item that is fairly delicate and you wouldn't even be able to use for trooping (in reference to the helmets.)

 

[Thomas Guycott]

Good lord, the shipping alone on a Rey saber is about as much as a kit! Everything about this business venture is completely ridiculous.

 

[cboath]

The premier line of the Anovos helmet is already sold out. Has anyone verified these were produced in the thousands? I'd venture the run was in the hundreds.

http://www.anovos.com/collections/s...e-awakens-kylo-ren-helmet-accessory-pre-order


There are also items on the PropShop which don't list limited runs (aka, the Kylo Ren helmet).

https://collectibles.starwars.com/prop-replicas/kylo-ren-helmet/

The only two limited runs are the Vader Melt (sounds like a sandwich) and the FN-2187. Everything else is open ended. They can make 10's of thousands of they wish and if enough people are willing to purchase them at these prices.

I don't think anovos sells out in the traditional sense of the word. Kind of like with the TK set, they're listing it as sold out for now, but will have more later. If they were selling out traiditionally, they'd be limited runs and would say so.

 

[thd9791]

Fabricated new graflexes? Bollocks. They just bought every one they could find, made new bands and developed the stunt blades.

There are BTS clips of solid tubes with the tops cut like graflexes, so at least something was fabricated.

 

[Zappa100]

1 Day Ago Jun 4, 2016, 7:10 PM - Melted Vader info inquiry

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Hey guys-

been following this thread and trying to understand the ins and outs of the prop shop scenario-

forgive my ignorance...im not very well versed in the building side of things but am a real enthusiast for props.

Re: the melter helmet vader

I'm a little confused by the process and thought someone might be able to shed a little light.

so is the idea here that the master was physically designed and constructed by someone and then prop shop 3D scanned it, made the master 3D scan file and then 3D printed the version(s) we see on screen (after finishing it/them)?

And prop shop thereby is claiming that the same 3D file they used to print the version we see on screen will be what they print for these replicas hence them being identical in nature?

i guess I'm ultimately wondering if the physical item/master that was created was used for the actual filming OR if what we see on screen was simply 3D scanned FROM that master and then the derived 3D print was used for the screen version?

if what we see on screen is also a derived 3D print I can more so see how prop shop can claim that these replicas would share identical lineage to screen used version(s).

any insight would be appreciated.

Thanks!

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[ggriffaw]

Did you watch the video about the Vader melt? The videos have much more info than the web pages.

 

[Zappa100]

I did but I wasn't able to determine this critical detail point. Ie. If the screen used melted helmet was 3D printed or not.

 

[tubachris85x]

One thing I think that this whole excessive pricing thing is going to affect- real Graflex sales.

Yea, going on Ebay, everyone who has one is having a field day with the asking prices. People are now going to see a REPLICA graflex going for "just" $1250, people will be like, "oh I should be charging MORE since this is a REAL Graflex"

 

[propmainiac]

I think the prices are outrageous. People will buy them though. Personally its more fulfilling for me to build than to buy.

 

[Halliwax]

I think the prices are outrageous. People will buy them though. Personally its more fulfilling for me to build than to buy.

exactly!



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[H0llyw00d]

I did but I wasn't able to determine this critical detail point. Ie. If the screen used melted helmet was 3D printed or not.

From watching the video and reading this thread I believe it goes... One outfit does it in clay. Once ok'ed by JJ goes to the PS. They 3d scan and do a print, paint and that is filmed...

Anybody that knows better chime in...

 

[Halliwax]

There are BTS clips of solid tubes with the tops cut like graflexes, so at least something was fabricated.

like my boy tom said

 

[propmainiac]

Building lightsabers..... Gettin paid! Working on The Force Awakens........Lifes Good!

 

[Spyhunter2k]

Has anyone mentioned yet whether the propshop Graflexes have plastic vs. rubber grips? Need to order some soon from Roy in order to be delivered to my next visitor coming to South America... Would like to get the right stuff the first time to match what was used on TFA Graflexes.

 

[ggriffaw]

The impression I got from the video was that the Vader melt started as a clay sculpt. Since it was clay it was basically a solid lump with the outside sculpted. Once the sculpt was approved they scanned it from multiple angles to get all of the outer details. The 3d model was modified to hollow out the helmet. Then the model was 3d printed, painted, and finished.

I believe the complexity of the shapes would make this difficult to mold.

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

Yeah I really doubt Adam would not want the people who built the things to get credit

You mean like the 2001 suit he "put together" all by himself? Pffft

 

[OldKen]

So... Is reprinting as bad as recasting? LOL!!!

Seriously though, people are going to be scanning and printing copies on day 1.

These prices are a bit ridiculous. The fact that they are fragile and will deteriorate... That they even say it's not to be worn as a costume piece...

This is equally cool... And lame.

Either way I'll never own any of their stuff.

Plastic printed graflex for over $1,200? Umm... NO.

 

[towelkeeper]

I'm wondering how much of Rey's saber is 3d printed. I think the kobold clip is pretty close to what we see on screen, but the hex-screws still confuse me. One day I see hex-screws in the movie, and the next day I see pop-rivets. :facepalm
Could it be that rivets were used in the movie, but for mass production they went hex, because you can easily disassemble the entire thing if something went wrong?

You mean like the 2001 suit he "put together" all by himself? Pffft

Where did he claim that he did it all by himself? Usually he goes out of his way to give credit to other artists and the RPF in particular. What's with all the hate? I don't get it.