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I'll say that each film had some terrific moments too numerous to count. And even if they story told wasn't what you wanted, it was told well, not great, but serviceable. And the visual experience was top notch. I think TPM is the most beautiful looking SW film. Lucas didn't stick the landing, but while in the air there were some great bits of story acrobatics and supported by some solid acting from Ewan, Ian, Liam, and some of the supporting cast. All the PT needed to be great was a script doctor to punch up the dialogue and some editorial help.
I don't think I have to apologize for anything about the Prequels. I still stand by what I thought then: they're not great movies but they certainly aren't terrible as people popularly make them to be.
That said, even though the execution was flawed, I genuinely like the story of Anakin Skywalker and find it compelling. To me, it makes sense why he'd just snap one day; it's been building up in him ever since he was a kid. He's whisked away by Jedi when he's just a boy and they fill his head with ideas that he's special from the day they met. When he's a grown man and sees that his life hasn't fulfilled this glorious purpose people imposed on him, his ego is shattered and he's conflicted. Is there something wrong with him, or the Jedi, as to why he didn't meet his destiny? The only solace in his life is the woman he wound up marrying; the only person genuinely cares for. When he's then plagued with visions of her dying, why wouldn't he go and set the world on fire to prevent her from dying? Of course, the ultimate tragedy is that his actions to try and prevent her death are ultimately the ones that lead to her death. Then, once encased in the iron lung, and everything stripped from him once again, it makes sense he becomes a cold, brutal machine doing the bidding of the Emperor. He's been the only sure thing in his entire life.
With this in the background, I feel it makes the ending to RotJ all the more compelling, when Luke removes Vader's helmet and sees a shriveled husk of a man who, at the very last of moments of his life, feels the crushing weight of regret for the actions in his life. When he finally dies, the one gleam of pride he has is that his son had the strength to shun the path that he didn't.
I don't know about you but that's some powerful **** to me.
That said, even though the execution was flawed, I genuinely like the story of Anakin Skywalker and find it compelling. To me, it makes sense why he'd just snap one day; it's been building up in him ever since he was a kid. He's whisked away by Jedi when he's just a boy and they fill his head with ideas that he's special from the day they met. When he's a grown man and sees that his life hasn't fulfilled this glorious purpose people imposed on him, his ego is shattered and he's conflicted. Is there something wrong with him, or the Jedi, as to why he didn't meet his destiny? The only solace in his life is the woman he wound up marrying; the only person genuinely cares for. When he's then plagued with visions of her dying, why wouldn't he go and set the world on fire to prevent her from dying? Of course, the ultimate tragedy is that his actions to try and prevent her death are ultimately the ones that lead to her death. Then, once encased in the iron lung, and everything stripped from him once again, it makes sense he becomes a cold, brutal machine doing the bidding of the Emperor. He's been the only sure thing in his entire life.
With this in the background, I feel it makes the ending to RotJ all the more compelling, when Luke removes Vader's helmet and sees a shriveled husk of a man who, at the very last of moments of his life, feels the crushing weight of regret for the actions in his life. When he finally dies, the one gleam of pride he has is that his son had the strength to shun the path that he didn't.
I don't know about you but that's some powerful **** to me.
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I think it's due to TPM being the last SW film shot on film and with its majority of effects being practical (though gussied up with CG). Whereas AotC was completely filmed digitally with equipment that was cutting edge at that time.
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I'm with you P. Your post pretty much sums up my feelings. Hating the prequels is the popular pastime of geekdom. The 'prequel haters' really should be thankful for one thing though. Until Anakin came along, Luke was considered the whiniest b!tch in movie history. :wacko
I was just happy to finally get going with what is a great world with a whole lot of potential,that said is it perfect? not by a long shot,if Lucas had just handed the ideas over to somebody and stepped back we'd have been much better off but I will still say this:
The Phantom Menace-this was a throwaway,ROTJ.2 with more ewok-like antics,honestly the two plus hours could have been far better spent to set up the second part.
Attack of the Clones-A lot of this should have been in the first movie,frankly by the end of two we should have had a young,and pissed off,Vader running around and getting ready for..
Three SHOULD have been about Vader kicking Jedi behind and taking all sorts of names while Yoda and Obi-Wan scrambled to stop him,finally giving up when Padme dies and they decide to just go into hiding and hope the kids could set things straight in the future.
But we got what we got and while not horrible I just pass one by,like parts of two,and feel three is pretty good if cut short.
I admit after the prequels,and clone wars I got burned out of SW but with the new films I want to see where we go next.
The Phantom Menace-this was a throwaway,ROTJ.2 with more ewok-like antics,honestly the two plus hours could have been far better spent to set up the second part.
Attack of the Clones-A lot of this should have been in the first movie,frankly by the end of two we should have had a young,and pissed off,Vader running around and getting ready for..
Three SHOULD have been about Vader kicking Jedi behind and taking all sorts of names while Yoda and Obi-Wan scrambled to stop him,finally giving up when Padme dies and they decide to just go into hiding and hope the kids could set things straight in the future.
But we got what we got and while not horrible I just pass one by,like parts of two,and feel three is pretty good if cut short.
I admit after the prequels,and clone wars I got burned out of SW but with the new films I want to see where we go next.
astroboy
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I think you just summed up my whole feelings toward the disney purchase.
To me, Lucas wrote the narrative for this galaxy and it's a great one. I WISH that Disney took his scripts and ideas. I wish they then polished them into a great film series.
But I don't trust either them or Abrams to make great cinema. As much as they are trying to make it feel like 1977, it won't be. And that's on them, not Lucas. In this past year, we've seen George Miller make a GREAT film. One that defied all the rules. An ambitious film and one that will be remembered. I just don't think that Disney has it in them to do that.
Believe it or not one of my favorite Star Wars scenes occurs in Phantom Menace
The scene during the light saber battle when Darth Maul gets separated from Qui-gon and Obi-wan and is pacing back and forth like a caged tiger while Qui-gon just calmly kneels down to wait. I think that short scene was done perfectly to capture the tension of the moment
I also loved the hardware tech of the hover tanks and was sad they didn't show up in the other movies. One of the more "practical" vehicle designs
Other than that, there where a lot more memorable scenes in Revenge of the Sith, like the scene with the clone and droid armies racing towards each other with the juggernauts etc...
The battle over Coruscant was pretty awesome as well apart from the little droids that try to rip Obi Wans ship apart ( why not just make the little guys blow up once attached rather than trying to rip the ship apart?)
The Order 66 scenes where done fairly well also
Attack of the Clones didn't have much in the way of character moment scenes, but it did have some cool tech moments like the drop ships delivering the AT-TEs to the battle and getting to see the Clone Troops in action
The scene during the light saber battle when Darth Maul gets separated from Qui-gon and Obi-wan and is pacing back and forth like a caged tiger while Qui-gon just calmly kneels down to wait. I think that short scene was done perfectly to capture the tension of the moment
I also loved the hardware tech of the hover tanks and was sad they didn't show up in the other movies. One of the more "practical" vehicle designs
Other than that, there where a lot more memorable scenes in Revenge of the Sith, like the scene with the clone and droid armies racing towards each other with the juggernauts etc...
The battle over Coruscant was pretty awesome as well apart from the little droids that try to rip Obi Wans ship apart ( why not just make the little guys blow up once attached rather than trying to rip the ship apart?)
The Order 66 scenes where done fairly well also
Attack of the Clones didn't have much in the way of character moment scenes, but it did have some cool tech moments like the drop ships delivering the AT-TEs to the battle and getting to see the Clone Troops in action
This times a billion. Fury Road is the shining example on how to do another installment in a franchise that's years down from where the last film and be completely different while still maintaining the DNA of the old. Honestly, it's the most Star Wars-y film I've seen since the original movies in terms of visuals, atmosphere, and texture.
I don't think I can watch anything other installment in a franchise now without holding it up to Fury Road. In fact, I don't think I can watch modern movies the same as I did before.
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I will accept the 2D show but I personally cannot abide the 3D show.
Solo4114
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See, I'm the exact opposite and it's almost entirely due to Tartakofsky's animation style. I loathe the look of it, and I can't get past it, even if the story is good.
Like most of Tartokovsky's stuff, it's mostly style over substance; it's not got much in the way of a story but his mise en scene is so unique for western animation, I can't not but like it. Personal preference, I suppose.
The 3D show I just flat out loathe.
The 3D show I just flat out loathe.
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