thebigbadwolf
Sr Member
First Alderaan
Then my planet
Whose world next?
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Ei'luj
ahhahahahahha thats halarous ! ahhahah
Then my planet
Whose world next?
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Ei'luj
ahhahahahahha thats halarous ! ahhahah
Predator 3 or AVP 3?
- Thread starter Darkraven
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IF they EVER have humans fighting along side predators in a film on the preds homeworld, ILL NEVER EVER go see it , and i hope the person who writes such a script gets run over.
leave that **** for comics.
The predator was BORN as a bad guy ,and thats how they should stay, look what happend to that pile of **** AVP when they tried to make him heroic.
i feel sick talking about it
leave that **** for comics.
The predator was BORN as a bad guy ,and thats how they should stay, look what happend to that pile of **** AVP when they tried to make him heroic.
i feel sick talking about it
thebigbadwolf
Sr Member
TRUE , THERE BAD GUYS AND MENT TO BE AROUND FOREVER !!! there ment to be instopable and not not to be messed with
FirstHuntress
New Member
"First Alderaan
Then my planet
Whose world next?"
...............Awesome. I'll be right there with you !!!
I do not think that a side-by-side human/pred companionship on screen is a bad thing at all. I think it was portrayed ridiculously in AVP and it was clearly obvious by numerous scenes throughout that movie that Anderson did not take the movie seriously. So that set the stage for the next one. And while AVP R unto itself was really not very good, at least it was an improvement over AVP. As far as human/pred siding up, yes, I think it could happen successfully outside of the comic world (or paperback novel) but the key is that is has to be done correctly and delicately. One human with one Predator that makes a good match, a believable pair, in a believable situation, against odds so great it makes sense for them to be pairing up.
Keys here would be : careful, caring, and well scripted writing, excellent acting, a solid plot, and true creativity. So, therefore we will never see such things on screen as they simply do not exist in Hollywood anymore.
Then my planet
Whose world next?"
...............Awesome. I'll be right there with you !!!
I do not think that a side-by-side human/pred companionship on screen is a bad thing at all. I think it was portrayed ridiculously in AVP and it was clearly obvious by numerous scenes throughout that movie that Anderson did not take the movie seriously. So that set the stage for the next one. And while AVP R unto itself was really not very good, at least it was an improvement over AVP. As far as human/pred siding up, yes, I think it could happen successfully outside of the comic world (or paperback novel) but the key is that is has to be done correctly and delicately. One human with one Predator that makes a good match, a believable pair, in a believable situation, against odds so great it makes sense for them to be pairing up.
Keys here would be : careful, caring, and well scripted writing, excellent acting, a solid plot, and true creativity. So, therefore we will never see such things on screen as they simply do not exist in Hollywood anymore.
Ei luj
New Member
FirstHuntress,
Now you got me thinking, how should the team-up have come about, should it have had more suspense/action, to build it up and then it would culminate in the meetup and alliance?
Which scenes showed Anderson not taking it seriously?
I wonder how a big name director like Spielberg or Lucas would have done it?
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Ei'luj
Now you got me thinking, how should the team-up have come about, should it have had more suspense/action, to build it up and then it would culminate in the meetup and alliance?
Which scenes showed Anderson not taking it seriously?
I wonder how a big name director like Spielberg or Lucas would have done it?
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Ei'luj
FirstHuntress
New Member
I wrote a fan fiction that I thought represented the best way to bring about human/predator interaction. You can read it on my website on my signature. Basically, though, to sum it up, the Yautja are there for their own intentions and the humans are out to survive, and just feel "safer" in the shadow of the Yautja. The Yautja are tolerant of having the humans follow them, and for months, they keep their distance, and there is a very thick line between human & Yautja, after time, and with the help of one human reaching out, and several situations where they are all thrust together, one human & one predator find a subtle association with each other that can almost be called a friendship but yet it stills stays very distant and still represents that the Yautja will never truly become friends with the humans.
I also personally do not feel that the Yautja are "bad guys". I think they are simply hunters and while we might not agree with their choice of prey, I do think they are any more evil than the men who go out on Dec. 1 with their rifles and start killing deer for trophies & meat.
As far as the scenes that made me feel that Paul Anderson did not take the massive undertaking of making AVP serious, there were quite a few. Apart from the overall badly scripted and mostly poorly acted movie in general, the two biggest scenes that really stand out are the one of Lex & the Yautja running away from the explosion with the flames all around them and the focus got soft and fuzzy, almost "romantic" in that the two were running off together in a blaze of glory, literally, or perhaps into a burning sunset. The next scene, and possibly the single most worst one in the whole movie happens only seconds later where Lex & the Yautja exchange this soft "I love you" stare and there is a short, but yet still entirely too long, moment of silence while the two stare at each other in peace, love, and harmony. It is ridiculous, and I do believe Anderson put those shots in the movie because by the time he shot them, he probably figured the whole movie was corny enough why not tap into the fan girls and boys and give the rest of the audience a laugh. When I saw AVP for the first time at a midnight showing on pre-opening that is exactly what the audience did- they laughed.
I have got to say I am a fan girl when it comes to human/preds in a situation like that, and nothing would make me more happy then to see a genuine relationship, but Anderson took a bad movie and dropped it off the edge that cliff into the icy water right along with the Queen when he put in those two scenes. They were the worst ones in the film and made the rest of the movie lose any and all credit for a noble effort.
The problem is is that plotting Aliens and Predators together into a movie could have been an epic thing, and it could have been a great movie if it was set up correctly and handled correctly right from the drawing boards. Unfortunately Fox chose to put a bunch of poorly credited and uncreative people into a room and hash out a workable script, so we ended up with unbelievable football player hulking build Predators with messed up faces put into a situation that was unrealistic combined with some decent human acting but characters that were so poorly scripted no audience attachment to any of them could have been created, thus separating the audience from the movie, and then add in a couple of poorly done jokingly created scenes into an already bad mess, and you end up with AVP.
I will say at least that AVP R had more potential, but again, it had characters that no one had time to really decide if they liked or disliked, there was no time to get to know any of them... nothing. You just see some people and then you see them again running from Aliens and meeting Predators. Oooh kay.
Both AVP & AVP R were very limited in time, too, and I personally think that have done this type of movie correctly, they should have been at least 2 hours long. AVP was only 91 minutes and AVP R was 94. They could have added in that extra 1/2 hour to use the time for actual character introduction and give the audience a chance to get to know the characters and decide who they are going to sympathize with. Instead, they just shove these people at you and throw them into a situation you have a hard time believing because you are only watching the movie, you are not "in" the movie with the characters, feeling what they are feeling.
I just watched a movie last night starring Kevin Bacon called Death Sentence. See it if you get a chance. The opening scenes where the credits are rolling lasts maybe 2 minutes, but it is all home video of Kevin Bacon's character, Nick, and his family. It introduces you to the people, gives you a chance to see what a loving family they are, sets you up to laugh and enjoy what you are seeing and come to like that family all inside of 2 minutes you are immediately seeing that these are great people and a very loving family, so when the son gets killed and Nick seeks revenge, you sympathize, you feel his anger, and you want to see him win. They took the time in 2 minutes of credit rolling to get the audience drawn into what was going on, not just to watch it, and immediately the movie becomes something a bit more powerful. All in all, the movie was good. It wasn't great. It wasn't epic, some of the things weren't even plausible, but it was good enough to make you enjoy it because you are drawn into the character and are feeling what he's feeling.
If Death Sentence could do that in 2 minutes, why could AVP or AVP R not spend a moment of time doing that? Instead you just see these characters digging up artificats and running out of money, climbing mountains, or delivering pizza, and then comes the Predators and Aliens. There was just no set up, there was really no emotions in the acting, there was really no time to get to know anyone.
Sorry this turned into a huge rant, but I really feel that if AVP & AVP R were handled correctly they could have been really good, not Oscar winning, but still great movies. For this reason, I am terrified to see AVP 3 or even a Predator 3 because the stage is set already to have another badly done movie because now no one takes it seriously.
I also personally do not feel that the Yautja are "bad guys". I think they are simply hunters and while we might not agree with their choice of prey, I do think they are any more evil than the men who go out on Dec. 1 with their rifles and start killing deer for trophies & meat.
As far as the scenes that made me feel that Paul Anderson did not take the massive undertaking of making AVP serious, there were quite a few. Apart from the overall badly scripted and mostly poorly acted movie in general, the two biggest scenes that really stand out are the one of Lex & the Yautja running away from the explosion with the flames all around them and the focus got soft and fuzzy, almost "romantic" in that the two were running off together in a blaze of glory, literally, or perhaps into a burning sunset. The next scene, and possibly the single most worst one in the whole movie happens only seconds later where Lex & the Yautja exchange this soft "I love you" stare and there is a short, but yet still entirely too long, moment of silence while the two stare at each other in peace, love, and harmony. It is ridiculous, and I do believe Anderson put those shots in the movie because by the time he shot them, he probably figured the whole movie was corny enough why not tap into the fan girls and boys and give the rest of the audience a laugh. When I saw AVP for the first time at a midnight showing on pre-opening that is exactly what the audience did- they laughed.
I have got to say I am a fan girl when it comes to human/preds in a situation like that, and nothing would make me more happy then to see a genuine relationship, but Anderson took a bad movie and dropped it off the edge that cliff into the icy water right along with the Queen when he put in those two scenes. They were the worst ones in the film and made the rest of the movie lose any and all credit for a noble effort.
The problem is is that plotting Aliens and Predators together into a movie could have been an epic thing, and it could have been a great movie if it was set up correctly and handled correctly right from the drawing boards. Unfortunately Fox chose to put a bunch of poorly credited and uncreative people into a room and hash out a workable script, so we ended up with unbelievable football player hulking build Predators with messed up faces put into a situation that was unrealistic combined with some decent human acting but characters that were so poorly scripted no audience attachment to any of them could have been created, thus separating the audience from the movie, and then add in a couple of poorly done jokingly created scenes into an already bad mess, and you end up with AVP.
I will say at least that AVP R had more potential, but again, it had characters that no one had time to really decide if they liked or disliked, there was no time to get to know any of them... nothing. You just see some people and then you see them again running from Aliens and meeting Predators. Oooh kay.
Both AVP & AVP R were very limited in time, too, and I personally think that have done this type of movie correctly, they should have been at least 2 hours long. AVP was only 91 minutes and AVP R was 94. They could have added in that extra 1/2 hour to use the time for actual character introduction and give the audience a chance to get to know the characters and decide who they are going to sympathize with. Instead, they just shove these people at you and throw them into a situation you have a hard time believing because you are only watching the movie, you are not "in" the movie with the characters, feeling what they are feeling.
I just watched a movie last night starring Kevin Bacon called Death Sentence. See it if you get a chance. The opening scenes where the credits are rolling lasts maybe 2 minutes, but it is all home video of Kevin Bacon's character, Nick, and his family. It introduces you to the people, gives you a chance to see what a loving family they are, sets you up to laugh and enjoy what you are seeing and come to like that family all inside of 2 minutes you are immediately seeing that these are great people and a very loving family, so when the son gets killed and Nick seeks revenge, you sympathize, you feel his anger, and you want to see him win. They took the time in 2 minutes of credit rolling to get the audience drawn into what was going on, not just to watch it, and immediately the movie becomes something a bit more powerful. All in all, the movie was good. It wasn't great. It wasn't epic, some of the things weren't even plausible, but it was good enough to make you enjoy it because you are drawn into the character and are feeling what he's feeling.
If Death Sentence could do that in 2 minutes, why could AVP or AVP R not spend a moment of time doing that? Instead you just see these characters digging up artificats and running out of money, climbing mountains, or delivering pizza, and then comes the Predators and Aliens. There was just no set up, there was really no emotions in the acting, there was really no time to get to know anyone.
Sorry this turned into a huge rant, but I really feel that if AVP & AVP R were handled correctly they could have been really good, not Oscar winning, but still great movies. For this reason, I am terrified to see AVP 3 or even a Predator 3 because the stage is set already to have another badly done movie because now no one takes it seriously.
Half Knife
New Member
I would love to see Preds go up against rival Preds. A battle between rival clans over territory or something. Maybe a Bad-Blood scenario. It could be set on another planet where man has a small outpost and gets caught in the middle. Maybe scientists at a research station that end up observing the battle from a distance. I'd still like to see the Colonial Marines involved and it could take place in the Aliens timeline. All the Pred stories we've had so far were on earth. It's time to take it back into space.
FirstHuntress
New Member
I do agree about the bad blood scenario. That is the storyline to the fan fic I wrote. Bad Bloods are responsible and the Predators are hunting them while killing aliens as well.
I am not a big Alien follower, but I think I read in a paperback Alien book somewhere the Earth had basically become primarily uninhabitable because of all the robotic minig for ore had dug up so much of the crust it poisoned the atmosphere... am I making that up or is that accurate ? I think that should be touched upon to follow the timeline in a follow up movie, but yes, then take the battle to the stars.
I am not a big Alien follower, but I think I read in a paperback Alien book somewhere the Earth had basically become primarily uninhabitable because of all the robotic minig for ore had dug up so much of the crust it poisoned the atmosphere... am I making that up or is that accurate ? I think that should be touched upon to follow the timeline in a follow up movie, but yes, then take the battle to the stars.
Ei luj
New Member
Hmmm, bad bloods on the lam, the authorities in hot pursuit, throw in some aliens (maybe the bad bloods set them loose?), set it in space....
Then we get to see some Predators live for a change, maybe we get to see how the Elder got his rank, and see more bada$$ guys like Wolf go all "Arbitrator" on the badbloods.... not to mention slice & dice Aliens.
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Ei'luj
Then we get to see some Predators live for a change, maybe we get to see how the Elder got his rank, and see more bada$$ guys like Wolf go all "Arbitrator" on the badbloods.... not to mention slice & dice Aliens.
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Ei'luj
Rez ek
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The Trekkie in me would love to see a Predator/Star Trek Crossover with the Borg assimilating an entire Preds for their technology and Klingons getting hunted by Preds and Preds coming into contact with the Hirogen and Species 8472 lol but that's kinda not gonna happen ever so I can forget about it. *Sad face.*
But if they do decide to make another film then please take it into space. And now my brain has given up 'cause of a lovely image of an assimilated Yautja. Yay borg!
But if they do decide to make another film then please take it into space. And now my brain has given up 'cause of a lovely image of an assimilated Yautja. Yay borg!
boca
New Member
The Hirogen were the biggest Predator rip-off I ever saw.
Race of giant aliens who hunt prey for sport with advanced weaponry and mount their bones upon their spaceship walls.
I mean look...the only thing missing is the dreadlocks.
the subject has been tackled here.
http://forums.filefront.com/starbase-42/37...ome-trophy.html
Race of giant aliens who hunt prey for sport with advanced weaponry and mount their bones upon their spaceship walls.
I mean look...the only thing missing is the dreadlocks.
the subject has been tackled here.
http://forums.filefront.com/starbase-42/37...ome-trophy.html
Half Knife
New Member
I thought the same thing. I know from painful experience that Paramount Pictures has no shame stealing anything they want and screw everybody if they don't like it!
Half Knife
New Member
There's no way a Predator could lose to a Star Trek alien. NO WAY!
Half Knife
New Member
Damn!
boca
New Member
FirstHuntress
New Member
No no no the worst Predator cheese ball rip off came in two forms... A) those guys that were in Farscape. Don't even remember the name of the species, but you know who I'm talking about... with the long hair and Predator-esque masks that were helping Scorpius. Sci-Fi channels utterly crappy AVP rip off I think it was called Red Alert or something like that... It was literally Alien Vs. Predator with the worst, but yet the best, Predator Rip off I 've ever seen. It was actually a cool costume if it wasn't a total rip off of Predator (and Alien).
Sci-Fi channels utterly crappy AVP rip off I think it was called Red Alert or something like that... It was literally Alien Vs. Predator with the worst, but yet the best, Predator Rip off I 've ever seen. It was actually a cool costume if it wasn't a total rip off of Predator (and Alien).I'd like to see both, Aliens and Predators which points to AvP3, but AVP series have been sooo clucked up Im not sure it would be a good name for it.
So basically what would be cool to see is another Alien-like movie where humans have space colonies with space marines. They are on a planet like in Aliens or something and would investigate alien-specimen or something. Then, suddenly, a predator-ship with 3 or so predators (would crash onto the planet OR just some predators would come to hunt). At the same time, alien specimen would escape and hell would get loose. Imo this would be awshum.
Something similar to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoU0_MnOiVA
So basically what would be cool to see is another Alien-like movie where humans have space colonies with space marines. They are on a planet like in Aliens or something and would investigate alien-specimen or something. Then, suddenly, a predator-ship with 3 or so predators (would crash onto the planet OR just some predators would come to hunt). At the same time, alien specimen would escape and hell would get loose. Imo this would be awshum.
Something similar to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoU0_MnOiVA
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