New ANH & ESB Vader Cods
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darthvaderv
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Re: New ESB Vader Cod
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Not bad Gino.
EDIT, the first picture was slow to show.
Not bad Gino.
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wannab
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Re: New ESB Vader Cod
Nice look Gino.
Couple observations, the leather looks to be either too thin or not backed with a rigid enough material to give it the "smooth tight" look. Also the sheen appears too dull -- not shiny enough -- leather polish maybe if there is such a thing.
I like the proportions, but next shot lift the belt above the cod a bit (so the buckle rests on the top of the cod) to really show it off.
my two coppers worth.
Doug
Nice look Gino.
Couple observations, the leather looks to be either too thin or not backed with a rigid enough material to give it the "smooth tight" look. Also the sheen appears too dull -- not shiny enough -- leather polish maybe if there is such a thing.
I like the proportions, but next shot lift the belt above the cod a bit (so the buckle rests on the top of the cod) to really show it off.
my two coppers worth.
Doug
GINO
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Re: New ESB Vader Cod
Thanks for the comments.
Actually the ESB and ROTJ cod's surface are very wrinkled compared to the smoother ANH style. There shouldn't be anything rigid about them as there was nothing rigid in the originals. You can totally crumple them up and they go back into position.
In my photo, it's wrinkled up a little too much in the middle because I have it flexed outward which it shouldn't be. Didn't notice until after I took the pics, but I posted it anyway. In future pics you'll see that the wrinkle factor is based on the way it's flexed.
Also, the shiny-ness on the cod, gloves, suit, are all a factor of the lighting. In reality on the film suits, all the leather pieces are their natural dull-ish finish.
Another thing, in almost all the shots for ESB and ROTJ, the belt is dressed overlapping the cod.
Thanks for the comments.
Actually the ESB and ROTJ cod's surface are very wrinkled compared to the smoother ANH style. There shouldn't be anything rigid about them as there was nothing rigid in the originals. You can totally crumple them up and they go back into position.
In my photo, it's wrinkled up a little too much in the middle because I have it flexed outward which it shouldn't be. Didn't notice until after I took the pics, but I posted it anyway. In future pics you'll see that the wrinkle factor is based on the way it's flexed.
Also, the shiny-ness on the cod, gloves, suit, are all a factor of the lighting. In reality on the film suits, all the leather pieces are their natural dull-ish finish.
Another thing, in almost all the shots for ESB and ROTJ, the belt is dressed overlapping the cod.
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wannab
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Re: New ESB Vader Cod
Here is one showing the cod in all it's wonkyness with low belt positioning
Here is one showing extreme in different positioning (yuck)
Here is one showing the smoothness rigidity and sheen I was talking about
Here is one showing seam detail and what I believe correct belt positioning I was talking about (subjective I know given the extremes)
Yours with the belt low and a too even/symmetrical oval with a lot of wrinkling esp in the oval this is why I think the leather is maybe too thin on yours.
I lightened up the pic on this one and it does have a bit more sheen but still seems less shiny
Man, I can't believe I'm discussing smoothness rigidity and sheen of a cod piece -- LOL.
Doug
Here is one showing the cod in all it's wonkyness with low belt positioning
Here is one showing extreme in different positioning (yuck)
Here is one showing the smoothness rigidity and sheen I was talking about
Here is one showing seam detail and what I believe correct belt positioning I was talking about (subjective I know given the extremes)
Yours with the belt low and a too even/symmetrical oval with a lot of wrinkling esp in the oval this is why I think the leather is maybe too thin on yours.
I lightened up the pic on this one and it does have a bit more sheen but still seems less shiny
Man, I can't believe I'm discussing smoothness rigidity and sheen of a cod piece -- LOL.
Doug
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ArtisanProps
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Gino,
Please don't take offense I'm not an expert and think you did a great Job, but I think wannab is right in the sense that the ESB Cod should be a little rigid but, not so much that it won't flex. and I've also noticed that the "wrinkle look" is a combination of Leather Grain and the result of Prowse sitting in the Cod, Bending and thus wrinling it more. Of course this is all My Opinion I have no Facts to back it up. this is just my Opinion after studying all those damn Pictures, and Trial and error working with different methods to try and achieve the right look.
Great Job though!! looks good
Gino,
Please don't take offense I'm not an expert and think you did a great Job, but I think wannab is right in the sense that the ESB Cod should be a little rigid but, not so much that it won't flex. and I've also noticed that the "wrinkle look" is a combination of Leather Grain and the result of Prowse sitting in the Cod, Bending and thus wrinling it more. Of course this is all My Opinion I have no Facts to back it up. this is just my Opinion after studying all those damn Pictures, and Trial and error working with different methods to try and achieve the right look.
Great Job though!! looks good
GINO
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Re: New ESB Vader Cod
I don't think so. I have plenty of really great shots on set during filming and it is not at all glossy. I mean, there is a sheen but I wouldn't use the word glossy. Just natural leather finish.
The cod in the pic I posted is not a tour cod, but one of the main ones used in ESB and possibly ROTJ.
I don't think so. I have plenty of really great shots on set during filming and it is not at all glossy. I mean, there is a sheen but I wouldn't use the word glossy. Just natural leather finish.
The cod in the pic I posted is not a tour cod, but one of the main ones used in ESB and possibly ROTJ.
ArtisanProps
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Re: New ESB Vader Cod
Gino,
Hey do you know when that pic was taken because that Cod sure looks Beat to Crap, a little more then in the movie..
Gino,
Hey do you know when that pic was taken because that Cod sure looks Beat to Crap, a little more then in the movie..
darthvaderv
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Re: New ESB Vader Cod
The ESB cod pictured is one of the only screen used cods for Empire in a museum to be on display, like all the other musuem pieces the few screen used items that are on display are very beat up hence the POS look to it, they are not that rough (as the pictured cod) in person for ESB and ROTJ while each film was being made...Afterwards..and some time later..absolutely :thumbsup
The ESB cod pictured is one of the only screen used cods for Empire in a museum to be on display, like all the other musuem pieces the few screen used items that are on display are very beat up hence the POS look to it, they are not that rough (as the pictured cod) in person for ESB and ROTJ while each film was being made...Afterwards..and some time later..absolutely :thumbsup
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ArtisanProps
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I'm Inclined to agree, only because some of the pictures like the one I've included show a very different state of condition. I think this one got beat up like the rest of the suit Post Production with absolutely No Frigin Respect to the future Historical, or Iconic Value it might have.. Oh Well
and Honestly Looking at the pic I included, I can't see how those shapes and slight bends were made with just Foam (not rigid enough). Unless it was Preformed to that shape..
I'm Inclined to agree, only because some of the pictures like the one I've included show a very different state of condition. I think this one got beat up like the rest of the suit Post Production with absolutely No Frigin Respect to the future Historical, or Iconic Value it might have.. Oh Well
and Honestly Looking at the pic I included, I can't see how those shapes and slight bends were made with just Foam (not rigid enough). Unless it was Preformed to that shape..
GINO
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Re: New ESB Vader Cod
Also, I know it is hard to believe that they were that rough, but they were.
I'd like to get mine to be a little more sloppy in its construction. It's difficult to match the sloppy-ness level of a prop because your natural tendency is to use good craftsmanship. For film accuracy, that sloppy-ness has to be matched.
Also, I know it is hard to believe that they were that rough, but they were.
I'd like to get mine to be a little more sloppy in its construction. It's difficult to match the sloppy-ness level of a prop because your natural tendency is to use good craftsmanship. For film accuracy, that sloppy-ness has to be matched.
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