My X-Wing continued....

joewhite

joewhite

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Hey guys, just thought I'd share the first progress pics of my V3. Following the work of some of the talented people here and at a few other sites, I started off by making plans to make hollow wings. I used the measurements of the kit wings (which is a lovely kit, by the way, if you don't already know :)). I have access to a laser cutter so I plugged in all the measurements and took that route.

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As you can see, I started with the acrylic outer pieces. The inner wings will be styrene.

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Very minimal cleanup...I am really happy with the results! Unfortunately, I'll have to wait for a good weekend when the building is empty to continue the rest. The ventilation is ok but the smell was getting on my co-workers nerves. It was pretty bad, though. I'm continuing with the styrene pieces. They look great as well. I'll have pics of them later.

It'll be a slow build but it's because I want to try and build it up nice. Thanks to all the awesome people here for the continuous inspiration! And thanks for looking!!

Joe
 
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That's a great start Joe. Those wings look like they're going to be nice.
Have you got all the kit parts for the detail?
Cheers, JT
 
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Wow, guys, thanks! Means a lot to me!!!!


Rats said:
Have you got all the kit parts for the detail?
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Well, I have the Elephant and Hanomag parts. I'll probably be press molding the H&R brick sheet. I have some casts of the Sealab plate right behind the brick sheet. However, one or two are inaccurate for Red 5. Pretty much, I'm gonna need all the Sealab parts except the clear tube and cage parts. I've got one Phantom to cast new engines and nozzles out of. I'm still working on id'ing the bits on the engine. I've got the Saturn kit for the cans. And finally, the cannons will be new as well...except the cannon mount...the kit one is perfect.

I got one styrene half done. I couldn't find the perfect styrene settings for the laser. I kept melting the edges so I simply etched the lines on lower power and scribe cut it out. Worked out just fine!

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Joe
 
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I'm loving these wings. Great job.

Re: engine bits.

You'll need the:
Frog Whitley (1/72)
Fujimi Jagdpanther HO scale (1/72 or was it 1/76)

I'm not sure where the boat rail comes from.
 
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Thanks for the help with the engines!!! And I appreciate the kind words!

Joe
 
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Sorry no pics of my progress. But I did find out that my measurements of the leading and trailing edges of the wings were way off. I did some test cuts and realized that in the closed s-foil position, the wings were not flat against each other but angled instead. Doh! Back to the drawing board, shouldn't be to difficult a fix, though.

If I may, I would like to request assistance with the Sealab parts. Beaz, I hope you don't mind me using your photo of the parts...lmk, and I can take it off.

Is anybody offering a set of these? If cost or extra work is an issue, I can do with just good copies of the originals. Then I can just cast extras for similar pieces. Also, I don't need the clear round tube (unless it's used on the At-At) and I don't need the cage parts.

I appreciate you looking! I should have some more pics up soon.

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Joe
 
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I know our very own omes72 had done some Sealab casts for a member or two here, previously. Hopefully he'll chime in and let you know.:thumbsup
 
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Well, as usual, the old saying "measure twice, cut once" rings true. I had to re-do the wings a few times due to either wrong measurements of the panel lines or losing the most updated copy of my drawings and cutting with an old one. :rolleyes Also, I decided not to use styrene for the inner wings. I imagine they used styrene because it was easier to work the cut-outs. Luckily, the cutter did all the work and was precise compared even to my careful attempt in styrene.

I'm still finding proper panel line placement (and new lines altogether) hidden in Red 5 ref photos so I'm sure I'll update them again later.

So now I've got two and a half incorrect sets leftover. Would anybody like them? The basic shape is based on the Salzo V3 wings and is pretty much correct. The panel lines and cut-outs might be off, though. You can easily flip the wings over and scribe new lines. They're good starting points. The half set contains the four inner wing panels with the cut-outs only.

The first three people to reply or PM can each have a set.


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Hey Joe,

Nice work !

It's hard to tell from your pics and maybe you got it right, but the outer panels were 1.5 mm and the inner panels were 1 mm thick on the hero models. Hope that helps !
 
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MonsieurTox said:
Hey Joe,

Nice work !

It's hard to tell from your pics and maybe you got it right, but the outer panels were 1.5 mm and the inner panels were 1 mm thick on the hero models. Hope that helps !
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Julian,
Thanks, man! I actually used .060" (just shy of 1/16" and about 1.58 mm) sheet on both sides. I took my measurements from the V3 wing. I got about 1mm each and I figured with shrinkage, they were actually about 1.5mm or 1/16".

If you don't mind me asking, though, how did you get these measurements? Would there really have been that minute a difference in sheet sizes back then...even between two different types of materials? Or am I answering my own question...maybe the styrene panels were actually off due to manufacturing? I remember reading (in Sculpting a Galaxy, I think) Lorne Peterson saying that material didn't come in many thicknesses back then. This is the reason I ask. But after thinking about it, these things do have tolerances. That material was made 30+ years ago without the tight tolerance standards of today's technology. Maybe?

Joe
 
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Hey Joe,

Welcome !

I used kitpart measurements to get the thickness of the plates. If you take a close look at any of the hero models, you'll notice that the inner plate is thinner by about 1/3. Of course I get 1.5 mm for the outer plates but it could have been 1.58, I cant get so precise measurements...

As for your question about why they used different thickness for top and bottom, I dont know... they probably used what they found, and it's not noticeable on screen, so it was good enough for them I guess !
 
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Ok, with the help of a very cool person (who I will name and give credit to if they are cool with it) I was able to track down some good drawings for the X-Wing armature. I re-drew everything to look closer to the angular armature brackets on the ILM birds.

Now the question of accuracy comes into question! I have both the V3 and Frank Pyro fuselages. The rod runs about 17 inches through the fuselage. However, the cockpits of both ships will be in the way.

I know the original blue X-Wing lacked a cockpit because of the tube and the other hero models had the fixed wing. I am building a Red 5 and all the ref shots show a fixed wing setup.

Was there only one X-Wing with movable wings? I'm supposed to go show the machinist my plans tomorrow and now I'm starting to get super anal about a Red 5 with movable wings!

Do I build an accurate Red 5 with fixed wings? Or do I make the wings movable and shorten the tube so as to retain the cockpit! Arrgh!

Joe
 
Joe, Red 5 had a full armature, as do a few others. The cockpits were super shallow and can fit above the armature. I have pics I can send ya to better explain it
 
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Dude, I would appreciate it! I could have sworn those "leaked" ref shots show fixed wings but I'm sure I was wrong. This is good news! You have my email right?

Joe
 
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