My 'Walking with Dinosaurs'-style Utahraptor costume

Somebody knows from where this page is (it seems to be some knid of manual about the dinosaur legs mechanism)?
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for here I cast a resurection spell over this thread.

Hi I am looking at this and wonder where the project got. I am trying to make one too. Do you think iPex 1/2 tubing can make the frame ?
 
for here I cast a resurection spell over this thread.

Hi I am looking at this and wonder where the project got. I am trying to make one too. Do you think iPex 1/2 tubing can make the frame ?

I second the resurrection! Ala kazaam!
I was working on something like this over the summer with hopes to have finished for this past Halloween. Life got in the way an I've had to postpone to next Halloween but to answer your Pex question: I built my frame in 1/2" PVC but found that the PVC connectors (which are more brittle than PVC pipe) have been cracking under the strain. My costume quickly became heavier than I expected so I'm getting some bending and flexing I didn't anticipate at these connectors. Going to have to rethink it and perhaps strengthen all joints (perhaps using fiberglas repair cloth like you see for broken pipes).
Sorry I don't have any pics. I tend to jinx my projects when I take photos of them before they are done...
 
Thirded on the resurrection! ;-)

Good to know a bout the PVC. I'd have started down that road too as it's the building material I'm most familiar with (and I've already got the cutting tools, etc.

I'm perplexed by the skin. I have no idea of how to start on that. This, plus two kids going to college soon, are what's keeping me from beginning this build.
 
Thirded on the resurrection! ;-)

Good to know a bout the PVC. I'd have started down that road too as it's the building material I'm most familiar with (and I've already got the cutting tools, etc.

I'm perplexed by the skin. I have no idea of how to start on that. This, plus two kids going to college soon, are what's keeping me from beginning this build.

Here's what I was doing for skin. Keep in mind that I'm only half finished so I can't say that this will work for sure in the end. I decided to use things I had laying around the house (my junk dinosaur) to try and minimize the cost so that She Who Must Be Obeyed wouldn't object to the effort. I covered my PVC frame with chicken wire then used bubble wrap as the skin (small bubbles). I then smeared on a thin coat of latex caulk (from home depot). The caulk and the small bubbles give a sort of scale-like texture that is just non-specific enough to just give texture to the skin without it being scales or anything specifically reptilian. I have thrown on some acrylic paint in a small test area to ensure the caulk took the paint ok and am satisfied with the results. Not sure when I'm going to get around to doing more. Thus far I have about 3/4 of the body wrapped up. The wire, bubblewrap and caulk is proving to be heavier than anticipated (as mentioned in previous post) so I may have to rethink this. But if this works, its a nice easy and cheap was to skin a large costume like this. I might have a photo of what a small piece of bubblewrap with caulk looks like. If I find, I'll edit this post and add it later.
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Thanks for sharing your technique. It looks good from the pic! I'd be interested to see more once you have it on the frame. My main concern would be shaping it and having it not look like something draped over a frame. Are you padding it underneath?

Here's what I was doing for skin. Keep in mind that I'm only half finished so I can't say that this will work for sure in the end. I decided to use things I had laying around the house (my junk dinosaur) to try and minimize the cost so that She Who Must Be Obeyed wouldn't object to the effort. I covered my PVC frame with chicken wire then used bubble wrap as the skin (small bubbles). I then smeared on a thin coat of latex caulk (from home depot). The caulk and the small bubbles give a sort of scale-like texture that is just non-specific enough to just give texture to the skin without it being scales or anything specifically reptilian. I have thrown on some acrylic paint in a small test area to ensure the caulk took the paint ok and am satisfied with the results. Not sure when I'm going to get around to doing more. Thus far I have about 3/4 of the body wrapped up. The wire, bubblewrap and caulk is proving to be heavier than anticipated (as mentioned in previous post) so I may have to rethink this. But if this works, its a nice easy and cheap was to skin a large costume like this. I might have a photo of what a small piece of bubblewrap with caulk looks like. If I find, I'll edit this post and add it later.
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Thanks for sharing your technique. It looks good from the pic! I'd be interested to see more once you have it on the frame. My main concern would be shaping it and having it not look like something draped over a frame. Are you padding it underneath?

The chicken wire gives it more shape but I do also have foam stuffed in the hip/thigh areas so that that chicken wire can't cave it.
 
Thirded on the resurrection! ;-)

Good to know a bout the PVC. I'd have started down that road too as it's the building material I'm most familiar with (and I've already got the cutting tools, etc.

I'm perplexed by the skin. I have no idea of how to start on that. This, plus two kids going to college soon, are what's keeping me from beginning this build.

For my raptor costume, my frame was made of PVC, but I put a layer of foam around it and at least tried to use some thicker foam to try to simulate muscles here and there. For the skin, I actually used some cloth from JoAnns Fabrics. They had some stuff with just a bit of spandex in it...so that, when at rest, the stuff actually crumpled a bit and looked scaley. And of course, it was also somewhat stretchable.

Yeah, I'm sure that up-close, it probably didn't look all that convincing, but at a distance, it was pretty good.

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I'm glad to see this thread come alive again too! I made a T-Rex costume a few years ago and it was daunting! I wish I had seen this thread to use as a resource then. It probably would have saved me a number of mistakes. Mine turned out pretty decent for what it was and considering my constraints with materials and skills. I'd really like to give version 2.0 a try sometime in the not too distant future and apply the knowledge I have gained from a few more years of experience and soaking up wisdom from these forums.

Here's a picture of mine in the finished state:
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I'm not actually wearing it in the picture, as you can tell, but you can kind of see where my legs would stick out of the belly, same as most of these types. Notice the size in comparison to my garage door. It turned out way bigger than I was planning. Notice also that I had to build a frame out of PVC to hold it up so I could get inside. That nicely doubled for display purposes. Overall, even though not everything worked out as I hoped and I definitely learned what not to do, I did learn a ton, and I was proud of myself for some of my creative solutions.

Here's a quick pro/con list based on my experience:

PROS
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1. Scale - It was huge! I've learned that people tend to look past the flaws when they're impressed by the size.
2. Paint job - I was pretty happy with the results I got from just a few cans of simple spray paint. I think I pat myself on the back most for that.
3. Mechanics - They weren't perfect, but I was very happy with my solutions for the movement of the head and mouth (which involved alot of bungee chords.)
4. Sound effects - I had a bluetooth speaker in the head connected to my phone, which had a soundboard app with roaring and growling sounds. I had some trouble with the volume and carrying the phone was a challenge but when it worked it was pretty cool!
5. Skin - It actually has 3 kinds of skin, 1 of which turned out really great and I would use it again. Unfortunately, it was in the smallest area: the neck. I was trying to figure out how to get the right flexibility in the neck for movement but still look like actual skin. I ended up using a tan gauze fabric from Jo-Anns, which I hoped might also be transparent enough to give me some extra visibility. I used papier mache glue to apply the fabric to the back of the head and velcro to attach it to the torso, which was covered in textured vinyl as skin (too heavy!) The papier mache turned out to be a genius move because it gave a really skin-like texture. Also, once it was painted, it looked very realistic and moved exactly how I was imagining. Unfortunately, the visibility didn't turn out as good as I hoped.
6. Shape - I'm cheating and putting this in both categories because some parts look really great to me and others look awkward. I carved the head from foam and made a wireframe of the body and tail by hand.

CONS
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1. Weight - The bugger was heavy!!! Not so heavy that I couldn't wear it, but it gave me a workout. It was clear that the materials I used (PVC, heavy gauge wire, vinyl fabric, chicken wire, spray foam) combined with the size were not ideal.
2. Durability - The most disappointing aspect was the brittleness of the PVC joints. They popped off alot. They didn't break, they just didn't hold together terribly well. That meant frequent stops to fix things. Especially the legs and arms.
3. Mobility - The weight and lack of durability combined to negatively affect mobility quite a bit. I couldn't move very quickly or very far without running the risk of breaking something.
4. Visibility - I had some holes cut in the chest to see, which I wasn't pleased with but time allowed me no other options. Even with the holes, I could really only see downward directly in front of me about 45 degrees. I needed a handler at all times.
5. $$$ - All told, this was a pretty expensive project by my standards. Mostly that was due to correctable mistakes though.
6. Shape - See PRO #6. The arms were an afterthought. The legs are too skinny; he looks like a chicken! Some aspects of the head were goofy.

A lot of lessons learned! Now on to dino V2.0! (someday)
 
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Atticuser,
Brilliant job. I will echo your statement about weight and size. My partial build is turning out larger than I originally expected, to the point that I'm not sure how I'm actually going to get it out to parties/events next year. Weight - yup. This will be a hell of a workout to wear.

For everyone else, I forgot to mention what I am thinking of using for visibility. Caveat, I have not taken it out of the box yet to see if it works for real... But have a small car backup camera and 10" display screen. Plan to mount the camera in a nostril and have the screen inside the body with me. Am hoping the slight fish-eye a backup camera has will give me enough of a field of view that I can navigate around. I'll start work back up on this in early spring and will update appropriately.
 
Great thread! Here's how the Chinese company makes the skin:

The frame is made of aluminum welded together. Electronics and animatronics are installed and attached to the frame. The whole skeleton is covered with thick foam blocks. Thin layers of foam are glued on top of areas where wrinkles would be in the skin, such as under the neck. The foam is then carved into the body shape along with muscles. Once the shape is complete foam cutters and heat guns are used to cut patterns into the foam to create the scaling. Now it's time to attach the skin. Silicone caulk is globbed onto the foam and spread into the cracks. Strips of pantyhose material are laid over the silicone caulk. The pieces are small and overlapped. Sometimes additional silicone caulk is spread on top of the skin material. Once the whole thing is covered and dried, paint is prepared. The paint that is used is also silicone, but is thinned heavily so it can be sprayed with a paint sprayer. Paint a base layer of whatever color you want and then begin the detail work. Switch to a small airbrush machine to create the detail paint work in the cracks, etc...

The whole process creates a very sturdy and rubber like skin effect which is perfect for reptilian creatures. As long as the skeleton is solid, it can support the costume.

Good luck on the build!


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Sorry gang, no updates on my version. The detached garage I was working on it doesn't have any heat, so I put thing on hold for the winter (not that its been very cold this year...). Hope to pick back up in the next couple of months and see if I can make progress. Great info about the caulk and pantyhose in the above post. Will have to look into that technique.


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